Toulon Las Vegas vs Scotty Phantom 7.5

[Baby_Draw]

Just curious who has hit both and what the consensus was? Huge fan of this shape, and lots of toe hang (always enjoyed blade style L/plumbers neck putters the most). These are both between 40-45* of toe hang which is significantly more than most mid-mallet style putters (typically 20-25*). I played the 2021 Scotty Phantom 5.5 but wasn't in love with it. Any feedback on either of these is great if you've only played 1 of the 2. Thanks! 

[Jeff58]

My putter “progression “ - Toulon Vegas > Spider X > Phantom 7.5

 

Vegas + Superior alignment, impact feel, grip, head cover, long putts.

Vegas - Lighter swing and moderately fast face gave less than optimal distance control.

 

The Odyssey 7 series has had so many permutations that it’s like 33 flavors of vanilla. The newest Vegas is different than the one I had to an unknown extent.

 

7.5 + A strong tendency for the ball to actually go where you intend. The combination of weight, speed, and alignment is very good.

7.5 - head cover, grip, graphics. Ball placement in your stance isn’t intuitive. 
 

The 5 and 7 series Phantoms are excellent putters. The head cover, grip, graphics are obnoxious. Feel is on the softer side, and works well with high compression balls, which many makers don’t seem to pick up on.

 

If the toe hang on these models causes targeting issues, try the TM Bandon 1.

[RainShadow]

Look at a Bettinardi Inovai 6.0 as well.

I had a Las Vegas and loved the feel, I just couldn't make anything with it.

Same with the Phantom 5.5, nice putter, hated head cover and grip. Changed grip to my preferred Tour SNSR Contour Pro, still couldn't make it work.

The new Vegas might be better with the weight forward, but I haven't tried it.

I love my Betti (2020). If the blue is a turn off, the new version in black is really nice as well. A little shorter heel to toe, claim the same MOI, a little firmer off the face with a "roll control" milling.

Crescent neck for a little toe hang/flow, or double bend offering as well as CS

Edited November 12, 2022 by RainShadow

[Wonderboy]

I have tried them all and I prefer the Scotty 7.5.  For me it all came down to feel since all of the head shapes are easy to line up.  The Scotty just felt the best coming off the face which allowed for better distance control.  I should note I did end up cutting down my 7.5 an inch and adding some heavier 20g weights but the overall feel is what did it for me.  I liked the Bettinardi Innovai and it would probably be my second choice over the 7.5 but I just couldn't get past how deep the face was on the Betti.  

[drscott266]

I have multiple Vegas models (and hosels) as well as both SC 5.5 and now 7.5.  Spoiler alert, the 7.5 caught my eye in my pro shop and I have gamed it the past two rounds and am in love with it.  The new vegas with stroke lab does feel light in hands, especially compared to steel shafted putters.  I am going to plug in some steel shafts into two of my vegas models, but at 360g head weight they will balance more like my tour cameron 5.5.  All this to say the cameron 7.5 blends the looks of the vegas with the feel and consistency of cameron.  I like the straight lines inside of the fangs on the 7.5 compared to the 5.5 which was my favorite headshape prior to vegas.  Vegas is just a touch small, while the 5.5 is a touch too big... 7.5 is same as 5.5 but the shape difference helps.  Love the soft but solid feel, vegas is almost too soft sometimes, but it's splitting hairs.  I think the weighting on the vegas helps with roll, but but not enough to make it heads and shoulders better.  Hope that helps, they are all great putters.  The 7.5 online didn't appeal to me at all, in person I walked out of the shop with it.  

[Baby_Draw]

Great feedback - thank you all! I went to the local PGA Superstore to play around with some putters over the weekend. I was able to hit the 35" Phantom 7.5 - sadly, I absolutely hated it. The weight was entirely too light for my liking, it came off the face hot and unpredictable for me, and I personally didn't like how it looked at address. I almost pulled the trigger on a used one before going to hit it - so dodged a bullet there! Seeing as a few of you really liked the 7.5, I think it just points to the fact that putters are incredibly personal. 

 

While they didn't have any Toulon's for me to hit, they had a White Hot OG 7 Nano with the flow neck, tons of toe hang, and the Stroke Lab shaft. I could NOT miss with this putter. Every stroke the output matched the input, which is the most important thing in my eyes. It framed the ball perfectly, it rolled end over end on line, and speed control felt effortless. While they're $250 currently, I found a used one on Callaway PreOwned (25% off this week btw guys) and got a "like new" condition for $150 shipped bc of the discount! 

 

(I also hit the Ping Tyne 4, Spider X, and an assortment of other putters while there - kept coming back to the 7 every time)

 

At the end of the day I saved a couple hundred bucks (compared to Toulon/Scotty), and found a putter that I think I'll really enjoy. Will this just be a gateway drug to the Vegas? We shall see 🤷‍♂️

[Wonderboy]

Good deal.  You are correct, it is a very personal choice.  At the end of the day whatever works for you will be the right choice.  

[jah7838]

3 hours ago, Baby_Draw said:

Great feedback - thank you all! I went to the local PGA Superstore to play around with some putters over the weekend. I was able to hit the 35" Phantom 7.5 - sadly, I absolutely hated it. The weight was entirely too light for my liking, it came off the face hot and unpredictable for me, and I personally didn't like how it looked at address. I almost pulled the trigger on a used one before going to hit it - so dodged a bullet there! Seeing as a few of you really liked the 7.5, I think it just points to the fact that putters are incredibly personal. 

 

While they didn't have any Toulon's for me to hit, they had a White Hot OG 7 Nano with the flow neck, tons of toe hang, and the Stroke Lab shaft. I could NOT miss with this putter. Every stroke the output matched the input, which is the most important thing in my eyes. It framed the ball perfectly, it rolled end over end on line, and speed control felt effortless. While they're $250 currently, I found a used one on Callaway PreOwned (25% off this week btw guys) and got a "like new" condition for $150 shipped bc of the discount! 

 

(I also hit the Ping Tyne 4, Spider X, and an assortment of other putters while there - kept coming back to the 7 every time)

 

At the end of the day I saved a couple hundred bucks (compared to Toulon/Scotty), and found a putter that I think I'll really enjoy. Will this just be a gateway drug to the Vegas? We shall see 🤷‍♂️

I was going to say that I prefer the feel of the Las Vegas over the Scotty Cameron.  I have the H4.5 with the Stability Tour shaft, and it's a putter that I shouldn't get rid or anytime soon.  Distance control is great, and I really like the feel.  It's firm enough, but still has a soft enough feel that I enjoy.  

 

I did have the OG 7s before the Las Vegas, and I did enjoy it, but I wanted the firmer feel on lag putts.  I struggled at times with the 7s on lag putts, and went back to my Kingston KP1 because of that.  I was better on putts inside 10 ft. with the 7s than the KP1.  The Las Vegas gives me a blend of the 2 putters in terms of feel and feedback.  

[drscott266]

9 hours ago, Baby_Draw said:

Great feedback - thank you all! I went to the local PGA Superstore to play around with some putters over the weekend. I was able to hit the 35" Phantom 7.5 - sadly, I absolutely hated it. The weight was entirely too light for my liking, it came off the face hot and unpredictable for me, and I personally didn't like how it looked at address. I almost pulled the trigger on a used one before going to hit it - so dodged a bullet there! Seeing as a few of you really liked the 7.5, I think it just points to the fact that putters are incredibly personal. 

 

While they didn't have any Toulon's for me to hit, they had a White Hot OG 7 Nano with the flow neck, tons of toe hang, and the Stroke Lab shaft. I could NOT miss with this putter. Every stroke the output matched the input, which is the most important thing in my eyes. It framed the ball perfectly, it rolled end over end on line, and speed control felt effortless. While they're $250 currently, I found a used one on Callaway PreOwned (25% off this week btw guys) and got a "like new" condition for $150 shipped bc of the discount! 

 

(I also hit the Ping Tyne 4, Spider X, and an assortment of other putters while there - kept coming back to the 7 every time)

 

At the end of the day I saved a couple hundred bucks (compared to Toulon/Scotty), and found a putter that I think I'll really enjoy. Will this just be a gateway drug to the Vegas? We shall see 🤷‍♂️

The nano is the closest size to the Vegas probably as it’s a bit smaller than usually #7. Its flownneck is also very biased towards heel, so it has most toe flow of model you mentioned. That may contribute to why you liked it, I hope it works out for you!  OG white hot felt like mush to me, but I know plenty of people who like it. 

[mjo23]

The Vegas will feel a bit softer with the deep milling pattern. I have a Chicago and it’s got a very nice soft feel for a milled putter, I also have SC X11 which is a bit firmer/clicky than the Toulon. I haven’t seen either models in hand but the looks of the Vegas (and Odyssey 7) are superior to pretty much any other fang-style mallet IMO. And just fyi if you don’t want the SL shaft u can order Toulon’s with a steel shaft through Odyssey’s website.

 

Also, the weights in the Toulon are readily interchangeable (with the purchase of a weight kit of course) whereas, if i’m not mistaken, you have to ship your SC to the SC custom shop in order for them to change the weights

Edited November 17, 2022 by mjo23

[mistaklavin]

Im curious, is there any difference in MOI between these two? Also curious about MOI in the 5.5, too. 

[NYYGolfer]

Has anyone tried these putters with a plumbers neck? Very difficult to find from OEM. Anyone used one of the builders to swap the neck?

 

any feedback would be helpful. Thanks!

[noodle3872]

3 hours ago, NYYGolfer said:

Has anyone tried these putters with a plumbers neck? Very difficult to find from OEM. Anyone used one of the builders to swap the neck?

 

any feedback would be helpful. Thanks!

Best putter I have used in some time. It has a small amount of toe hang, maybe 10° or so. It sets up beautifully behind the ball and swings so consistently. 

[NYYGolfer]

Looks great! Who did the work for you?

 

Is that an aftermarket shaft?

[noodle3872]

8 hours ago, NYYGolfer said:

Looks great! Who did the work for you?

 

Is that an aftermarket shaft?

Found it on eBay from a Japanese seller. The shaft is a Nippon shaft. I’m super pleased with it. The blacked out treatment was done perfectly!

[ALX]

Has anyone rolled the Las Vegas vs the Mizuno M-Craft's? Currently have an M Craft but the Vegas keeps calling me for some reason 

[snowmangolf]

If you’re a fan of this head shape, you should definitely check out the new EVNROLL’s that came out this week. If you can get past the “different feel and sound” off the face, it’s literally proven that their face tech hits more accurate putts. 

 

Personally, I can’t stand how the newer Scotty’s feel off the face. I practically can’t hit a straight putt with one (I’m sure that’s because of me and not the putter haha). But I’m totally buying in on the “why make the game harder” mentality this year. 

 

I genuinely believe that putters with face inserts create a straighter and more consistent roll on the ball. Milled putters will always be beautiful and timeless, but not what I’m going to use every time I play.

[newportbeach]

On 12/14/2022 at 1:26 PM, noodle3872 said:

Best putter I have used in some time. It has a small amount of toe hang, maybe 10° or so. It sets up beautifully behind the ball and swings so consistently. 

what model is that? Love the custom work on it. 

[noodle3872]

6 hours ago, newportbeach said:

what model is that? Love the custom work on it. 

It started life as a Phantom X5. 

[aschue]

I just got the new(er) Toulon Las Vegas from CPO, it arrived with an SC grip on it. Not sure how I feel about that yet ….