Laying off the club ...

[ej002]

why screw around when you were doing so well on mac?

[bscinstnct]

:24-:25 seconds. That's the position I ame working. Especially the shaft position.


Ben Hogan - Slow Motion: http://youtu.be/yD3AzhEfmLo

[moehogan]

Starting down from the top, feel like you're aiming left palm to target ... layoff accomplished and club on right forearm. But you better have the left forearm strength to come out of it at delivery.

[virtuoso]

[quote name='ej002' timestamp='1419360083' post='10633773']
why screw around when you were doing so well on mac?
[/quote]

This is just a quick detour. I'll be back at Mac shortly--that's definitely the model for me.

Taped a couple more swings today. Screwed up the transition with my right arm again, and kept putting my hands on too strong and shutting the face, but I improved the shaft plane on exit.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKJsFmeWEls&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ&index=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKJsFmeWEls&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ&index=1[/url]

[moehogan]

[mikah]

[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1419355099' post='10633417']
It's interesting because you clubface at the top is way more closed than Hogan's. So I suspect it'd be difficult to mirror everything else if the club face position is that far off. But just a hunch, I have no theory or proof.
[/quote]

Moe said he almost hit himself in the foot. He was that shallow, with open club face.
For anyone to think they can use their hands to square the face from this position is dreaming.

better yet... straight right arm at impact???

[url="http://moenorman.org/userfiles/image/Moe%20Norman%20Swing%20Graphics/Moe-DTL-Dem-Vert-Drop.gif"]http://moenorman.org...m-Vert-Drop.gif[/url]

[moehogan]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419435874' post='10637235']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1419355099' post='10633417']
It's interesting because you clubface at the top is way more closed than Hogan's. So I suspect it'd be difficult to mirror everything else if the club face position is that far off. But just a hunch, I have no theory or proof.
[/quote]

Moe said he almost hit himself in the foot. He was that shallow, with open club face.
For anyone to think they can use their hands to square the face from this position is dreaming.

better yet... straight right arm at impact???

[url="http://moenorman.org/userfiles/image/Moe%20Norman%20Swing%20Graphics/Moe-DTL-Dem-Vert-Drop.gif"]http://moenorman.org...m-Vert-Drop.gif[/url]
[/quote]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419435874' post='10637235']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1419355099' post='10633417']
It's interesting because you clubface at the top is way more closed than Hogan's. So I suspect it'd be difficult to mirror everything else if the club face position is that far off. But just a hunch, I have no theory or proof.
[/quote]

Moe said he almost hit himself in the foot. He was that shallow, with open club face.
For anyone to think they can use their hands to square the face from this position is dreaming.

better yet... straight right arm at impact???

[url="http://moenorman.org/userfiles/image/Moe%20Norman%20Swing%20Graphics/Moe-DTL-Dem-Vert-Drop.gif"]http://moenorman.org...m-Vert-Drop.gif[/url]
[/quote]

Those are not real swings by Moe but rather obviously exaggerated motions to demonstrate intent or feels. Moe used his hands differently than Mr. H, particularly through impact.

[mikah]

[quote name='moehogan' timestamp='1419441192' post='10637625']
[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419435874' post='10637235']
[quote name='tylerdurden' timestamp='1419355099' post='10633417']
It's interesting because you clubface at the top is way more closed than Hogan's. So I suspect it'd be difficult to mirror everything else if the club face position is that far off. But just a hunch, I have no theory or proof.
[/quote]

Moe said he almost hit himself in the foot. He was that shallow, with open club face.
For anyone to think they can use their hands to square the face from this position is dreaming.

better yet... straight right arm at impact???

[url="http://moenorman.org/userfiles/image/Moe%20Norman%20Swing%20Graphics/Moe-DTL-Dem-Vert-Drop.gif"]http://moenorman.org...m-Vert-Drop.gif[/url]
[/quote]

Those are not real swings by Moe but rather obviously exaggerated motions to demonstrate intent or feels. Moe used his hands differently than Mr. H, particularlyvthough impact.
[/quote]

according to Moe, no one had a right side pulling action the same as Ben Hogan and Moe...not hitting with hand muscles(forearms)

14:37
[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmmIBmX7eR8&feature=player_embedded"]https://www.youtube....player_embedded[/url]

17:22 "what they teach today".... squaring the club face with the hands(forearms)

[eightiron]

Moe didn't swing anything like Hogan , proof was in the pudding , what's your pudding like Mikah

[mikah]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1419522117' post='10640589']
Moe didn't swing anything like Hogan , proof was in the pudding , what's your pudding like Mikah
[/quote]



Thanks for input....as always positively....

but I think some of us willl believe what, Moe said,

rather than your opinion.

[eightiron]

You can believe moe all you want , doesn't make it right . He swings nothing like hogan

[mikah]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1419552053' post='10641841']
You can believe moe all you want , doesn't make it right . He swings nothing like hogan
[/quote]

They both lay off the club, as much or more than any other successful players(Knudson might be close, too).. which happens to be the topic of the thread.

[eightiron]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419557975' post='10642083']
[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1419552053' post='10641841']
You can believe moe all you want , doesn't make it right . He swings nothing like hogan
[/quote]

They both lay off the club, as much or more than any other successful players(Knudson might be close, too).. which happens to be the topic of the thread.
[/quote]

Not seeing that in moe Normans swing . He looks short not laid off and outside the base plane as he starts down . If anything moe v hogan are towards opposite ends of the spectrum . Norman getting shallower to impact v hogan getting steeper

[mikah]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1419570380' post='10642611']
[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419557975' post='10642083']
[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1419552053' post='10641841']
You can believe moe all you want , doesn't make it right . He swings nothing like hogan
[/quote]

They both lay off the club, as much or more than any other successful players(Knudson might be close, too).. which happens to be the topic of the thread.
[/quote]

Not seeing that in moe Normans swing . He looks short not laid off and outside the base plane as he starts down . If anything moe v hogan are towards opposite ends of the spectrum . Norman getting shallower to impact v hogan getting steeper
[/quote]


to be outside of the base plane is the reason for the layoff move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy4axvi_ZE4

[eightiron]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419613210' post='10643567']
[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1419570380' post='10642611']
[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419557975' post='10642083']
[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1419552053' post='10641841']
You can believe moe all you want , doesn't make it right . He swings nothing like hogan
[/quote]

They both lay off the club, as much or more than any other successful players(Knudson might be close, too).. which happens to be the topic of the thread.
[/quote]

Not seeing that in moe Normans swing . He looks short not laid off and outside the base plane as he starts down . If anything moe v hogan are towards opposite ends of the spectrum . Norman getting shallower to impact v hogan getting steeper
[/quote]


to be outside of the base plane is the reason for the layoff move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy4axvi_ZE4
[/quote]

Yes we all know Hogan gets it there but your boy moe Norman is basically on the base plane line and gets shallower swinging more rightwards v hogan who gets steeper swing more leftwards from that position ,opposites . So wtf does moe Norman have to do with hogans lay off move ?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PxQFRrV1sDg

[eightiron]

Nick Price lays it off and he won a bunch of majors . I'd be looking at him rather than the Canadians with 0

[mikah]

He looks short not laid off and [b]outside the base plane as he starts down[/b] .


moe Norman is [b]basically on the base plane line[/b] and gets shallower swinging


so which is it? outside the base plane? on the base plane?

forgot... your prerogative to change your opinion.


If purpose of the lay off move is not to go outside the base plane
then what is the purpose of the layoff ?

[eightiron]

I didn't change my mind , getting shallower and swinging rightwards is a reference to his angle of attack and oath of attack further into the downswing . The video clearly shows moe doesn't lay it off outside the base plane line like hogan did. You can be flat/ laid off and steepen into the ball like hogan , moe doesn't do the same . Again wtf does moe Normans master move have to do with hogans lay off move

[mikah]

both above plane , then shallow... clearly 'underplane'

 

 

still havent seen your answer:

If purpose of the lay off move is not to go outside the base plane

then what is the purpose of the layoff ?

 

 

[eightiron]

both above plane , then shallow... clearly 'underplane'

 

 

still havent seen your answer:

If purpose of the lay off move is not to go outside the base plane

then what is the purpose of the layoff ?

 

 

 

That camera angle on hogan is from what the top of Mount Everest ? Triple lol . I've stated what I see , hogan outside and above early in the downswing and steepens from just before halfway down . Moe Norman never gets outside and above early in the downswing and gets underplane and rightwards coming in ...opposites . Again wtf does moe Normans dumb master move have to do with hogan

 

i never stated anything about the purpose of any move , you did

 

Show me moe Norman outside and above the baseline like hogan in transition and steepening the shaft into impact

[eightiron]

Show moe doing this

[eightiron]

And this

[ALIF]

Eight, all doors locked, keys in your pocket!

[eightiron]

[quote name='chiva' timestamp='1419734777' post='10649335']
Eight, all doors locked, keys in your pocket!
[/quote]

Hopefully not .lmao

[mikah]

[color=#282828]i never stated anything about the purpose of any move , you did [/color]

[color=#282828]your good at stating the obvious. So why did Ben Hogan have the layoff?[/color]

[color=#282828]Dont have a clue do you? You just like to be disagreeable. If you dont know or have an Opinion about it, why not go where your opinion might mean something? [/color]

[eightiron]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419785163' post='10651069']
[color=#282828]i never stated anything about the purpose of any move , you did [/color]

[color=#282828]your good at stating the obvious. So why did Ben Hogan have the layoff?[/color]

[color=#282828]Dont have a clue do you? You just like to be disagreeable. If you dont know or have an Opinion about it, why not go where your opinion might mean something? [/color]
[/quote]

What ? I stated moe Norman swings nothing like hogan . You stated moe norman lays if off and it's the topic of the thread ! My opinion was moe Normans master move you shove down everybody's throat won't sniff what hogan did .... That's it

Now when are you going to show moe norman making these moves ?

lets see your swing so we know who has a clue , I bet thatll never happen

[eightiron]

Must be hard work trolling youtube for some moe swing that doesn't exist lmao

[mikah]

[color=#282828]So why did Ben Hogan have the layoff?
(its what this thread is about, in case you did notice, that either)[/color]

[color=#282828]Dont have a clue do you? You just like to be disagreeable. Keep changing the topic and people will forget what your all about?[/color]
[color=#282828](BS baffles brains)[/color]

[color=#282828]If you dont know or have an Opinion about it, why not go where your opinion might mean something?[/color]

[eightiron]

[quote name='mikah' timestamp='1419791471' post='10651505']
[color=#282828]So why did Ben Hogan have the layoff?
(its what this thread is about, in case you did notice, that either)[/color]

[color=#282828]Dont have a clue do you? You just like to be disagreeable. Keep changing the topic and people will forget what your all about?[/color]
[color=#282828](BS baffles brains)[/color]

[color=#282828]If you dont know or have an Opinion about it, why not go where your opinion might mean something?[/color]
[/quote]

Thread was from 2009 , couldn't care less , just waiting for you to show me how you have a clue ! Let's see it ... Tick tock ....

I have an opinion on the matter . I have stated it . Moe norman doesn't swing anything like Hogan , the master move is junk

[eightiron]

You find a video yet?