Driving Range "Rules"

[KevCarter]

Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

Kevin

[Pepperturbo]

I believe most everyone is aware of what it means... even my 17 yr old son knows what it means.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' post='1982595' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:22 PM']I believe most everyone is aware of what it means... even my 17 yr old son knows what it means.[/quote]

Then why the responses that feel like he committed a capital offense by threatening the gentleman?

Kevin

[Fedor Emelianenko]

[KevCarter]

 

I'll bet the little assistant looked EXACTLY like that.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Kevin

[Pepperturbo]

there's another more common meaning for the same neck slice.

[screaming eagle]

[quote name='ZBigStick' post='1982467' date='Oct 1 2009, 01:14 PM']That is ludicrous! I agree with all of the previous posts. This a**. pro certainly does not know how to move up the ladder. It is certainly not by pissing off the membership.

I recently encountered two accomplished amateurs helping each other with their swings, but they failed to do so at a respectful volume. It was extremely distracting as there were few available stations to move away to. As you were alone on the range this would not be an issue, nor am I implying that you wouldn't be respectful of others, your situation just reminded me of that incident.[/quote]


At least you lucked out and got 'accomplished amatuers'.
If you're not bothering anyone, and it sounds like the OP wasn't, then that situation was handled very badly.
I seem to encounter guys who take business calls, well meaning drunks who like helping the asian ladies, and a cadre of guys who shout from stall to stall and from the benches !!
When I asked politely a couple of guys next to me one day that i was trying to work on something myself and that could they a least keep it down a bit cos its distracting, they were gobsmacked. This is LA tho ! but still this is where you would like the guuy who works at the facility to step in, not in the above case.

[dbren1]

[quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982548' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:54 PM']Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

Kevin[/quote]

How can a 'throat slashing' gesture made by a stranger not be interpreted as threatening?

If I was walking my dog off the leash in a rough neighbourhood at night and saw a stranger making the same gesture should I assume they're simply indicating that my dog should be on a leash or that are they threatening me?

[BPSCHMID]

So this is what Tad Fujikawa has been up to.....shame, really quite a shame.

[sooperstring]

I agree that it's kind of insane to have a rule that prohibits giving ANY advice, since it's clearly intended to prevent people from giving lessons on the range, but all the vitriol against the assistant pro is overblown. Seriously? You'd threaten physical harm to someone who is just trying to do his job? Maybe he was trying to just stoke his ego, but it seems much more likely he is new in his position and wants to keep his job.

Don't try to see everyone as an enemy who is personally out to GET you, and try to look at it through his eyes. I think you'll see that most of the time people are just trying to do the right thing.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='dbren1' post='1982644' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:49 PM'][quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982548' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:54 PM']Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

Kevin[/quote]

[b]How can a 'throat slashing' gesture made by a stranger not be interpreted as threatening?[/b]

If I was walking my dog off the leash in a rough neighbourhood at night and saw a stranger making the same gesture should I assume they're simply indicating that my dog should be on a leash or that are they threatening me?
[/quote]

You must have missed my explanation.

Kevin

[SwingLikeElk]

At he beginnig of your post I thought it was going to be about you being too loud or disruptive...not about assisting your wife. You've done nothing wrong!

[bobmarley]

What course is this? I just want to know so they don't get my business!

[Ed Settle]

[quote name='jak_bot' post='1982379' date='Oct 1 2009, 03:33 PM']How tall was the guy?[/quote]

Doesn't matter. 'Cause I been beat up by a lot bigger dumba**es than him.

[harold baines]

[quote name='dbren1' post='1982644' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:49 PM'][quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982548' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:54 PM']Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

Kevin[/quote]

How can a 'throat slashing' gesture made by a stranger not be interpreted as threatening?

If I was walking my dog off the leash in a rough neighbourhood at night and saw a stranger making the same gesture should I assume they're simply indicating that my dog should be on a leash or that are they threatening me?

[/quote]

I don't think you have to worry much about your throat being slashed from 75 yards away,

it's really the only gesture that signifies "cut it out" that you can use from distance

[KevCarter]

[quote name='harold baines' post='1982724' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:36 PM'][quote name='dbren1' post='1982644' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:49 PM'][quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982548' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:54 PM']Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

Kevin[/quote]

How can a 'throat slashing' gesture made by a stranger not be interpreted as threatening?

If I was walking my dog off the leash in a rough neighbourhood at night and saw a stranger making the same gesture should I assume they're simply indicating that my dog should be on a leash or that are they threatening me?

[/quote]

I don't think you have to worry much about your throat being slashed from 75 yards away,

it's really the only gesture that signifies "cut it out" that you can use from distance
[/quote]

Thank you, I was starting to feel like I was in the Twilight Zone, the theme music was even playing.

Kevin

[mat562]

It's when you look out of the window of a plane and an ugly face is staring back that you really need to worry Kev.

[Ed Settle]

Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

 

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

 

Kevin

 

 

 

 

:clapping: there's another more common meaning for the same neck slice.

 

Yeah, this more common meaning is your dead. I doubt this fighter is saying stop what you are doing. He saying mess with me and suffer the consequences. This gesture is banned in the NBA and NFL. Should be banned in Hawaii on a driving range.

 

Not trying to start anything at all, KevCarter. Just that I would take it as a threat and unprofessional. Either it

The range apologizes or full refund.

 

Ed

[OpusX20]

Maybe if the assistant pro had watched a few more sitcoms growing up, he would have known how to properly execute this guesture in the correct manner. I'll let Wikipedia explain...


[b][i]Cut it out[/i][/b]
[i]Made famous by [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Coulier"][i]Dave Coulier[/i][/url][i] on the children's television show [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Control_(TV_series)"][i]Out of Control[/i][/url][i] (and subsequently on the more popular TV series [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_House"][i]Full House[/i][/url][i]), this gesture implies that one would like someone to stop doing whatever it is that they are doing, typically because it is destructive or annoying. It is a combination of three gestures each meant to emphasize one word of the phrase, which Coulier frequently emphasizes by speaking each word as he performs the corresponding gesture. It is given by first creating a scissors using your middle and index fingers ("cut"), followed by a generic "point" at the target ("it"), and finally finished with a single thumbs up retracted back to point behind oneself ("out", derived from a gesture [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball"][i]baseball[/i][/url][i] umpires may use to indicate a player is out).


[/i]Maybe he will read this and then next time he'll know better.

[KevCarter]

Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

 

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

 

Kevin

 

 

 

 

:clapping: there's another more common meaning for the same neck slice.

 

Yeah, this more common meaning is your dead. I doubt this fighter is saying stop what you are doing. He saying mess with me and suffer the consequences. This gesture is banned in the NBA and NFL. Should be banned in Hawaii on a driving range.

 

Not trying to start anything at all, KevCarter. Just that I would take it as a threat and unprofessional. Either it

The range apologizes or full refund.

 

Ed

 

I agree Ed, VERY unprofessional, rude, and a really silly rule when applied to unpaid swing help... I'm not sure why I felt the need to start posting in the thread, other than the fact that I didn't see this as a hanging offense, and felt that a lynch mob was being formed which I felt a little over the top. No offense taken Sir.

 

Cheers,

Kevin

[dbren1]

[quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982652' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:55 PM'][quote name='dbren1' post='1982644' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:49 PM'][quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982548' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:54 PM']Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

Kevin[/quote]

[b]How can a 'throat slashing' gesture made by a stranger not be interpreted as threatening?[/b]

If I was walking my dog off the leash in a rough neighbourhood at night and saw a stranger making the same gesture should I assume they're simply indicating that my dog should be on a leash or that are they threatening me?
[/quote]

You must have missed my explanation.

Kevin
[/quote]
Not at all, I just disagree with it. Waving a hand horzontally backwards and forwards in front of your neck would indicate a desire to 'kill an engine' when in a noisy environment for example. That, IMO, is not the same as a 'throat slashing' gesture (like the video posted) which is a much more threatening gesture.

Whatever gesture the asst. made it was completely inappropriate and would have warranted a complaint to his bosses, both the head pro & GM of the facility. Of course I'm biased by the fact that in my experience, assistant pros are decent golfers who have no interest in customer service and the retail/teaching aspects of being a golf pro but rather have the job so they can play free golf.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='OpusX20' post='1982751' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:48 PM']Maybe if the assistant pro had watched a few more sitcoms growing up, he would have known how to properly execute this guesture in the correct manner. I'll let Wikipedia explain...


[b][i]Cut it out[/i][/b]
[i]Made famous by [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Coulier"][i]Dave Coulier[/i][/url][i] on the children's television show [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Control_(TV_series)"][i]Out of Control[/i][/url][i] (and subsequently on the more popular TV series [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_House"][i]Full House[/i][/url][i]), this gesture implies that one would like someone to stop doing whatever it is that they are doing, typically because it is destructive or annoying. It is a combination of three gestures each meant to emphasize one word of the phrase, which Coulier frequently emphasizes by speaking each word as he performs the corresponding gesture. It is given by first creating a scissors using your middle and index fingers ("cut"), followed by a generic "point" at the target ("it"), and finally finished with a single thumbs up retracted back to point behind oneself ("out", derived from a gesture [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball"][i]baseball[/i][/url][i] umpires may use to indicate a player is out).


[/i]Maybe he will read this and then next time he'll know better.[/quote]

Hmmm, I've never seen the gesture done that way, but I would also never admit to watching Full House.

[mat562]

Just a thought, but why not save all the potential confusion by approaching the OP and his wife directly and saying 'Excuse me. I'm sorry to disturb you both but I'm a member of the teaching staff here at the facility. I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's actually a rule that prohibits customers from giving instruction whilst on the range...'

It would still be a ridiculous situation but at least it would show a grasp of common courtesy on the part of the staff member.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='dbren1' post='1982766' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:58 PM'][quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982652' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:55 PM'][quote name='dbren1' post='1982644' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:49 PM'][quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982548' date='Oct 1 2009, 04:54 PM']Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

Kevin[/quote]

[b]How can a 'throat slashing' gesture made by a stranger not be interpreted as threatening?[/b]

If I was walking my dog off the leash in a rough neighbourhood at night and saw a stranger making the same gesture should I assume they're simply indicating that my dog should be on a leash or that are they threatening me?
[/quote]

You must have missed my explanation.

Kevin
[/quote]
Not at all, I just disagree with it. Waving a hand horzontally backwards and forwards in front of your neck would indicate a desire to 'kill an engine' when in a noisy environment for example. That, IMO, is not the same as a 'throat slashing' gesture (like the video posted) which is a much more threatening gesture.

Whatever gesture the asst. made it was completely inappropriate and would have warranted a complaint to his bosses, both the head pro & GM of the facility. Of course I'm biased by the fact [b]that in my experience, assistant pros are decent golfers who have no interest in customer service and the retail/teaching aspects of being a golf pro but rather have the job so they can play free golf.[/b]
[/quote]

... and there lies the problem, perception not based upon reality.

Kevin

[OpusX20]

[quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982769' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:59 PM'][quote name='OpusX20' post='1982751' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:48 PM']Maybe if the assistant pro had watched a few more sitcoms growing up, he would have known how to properly execute this guesture in the correct manner. I'll let Wikipedia explain...


[b][i]Cut it out[/i][/b]
[i]Made famous by [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Coulier"][i]Dave Coulier[/i][/url][i] on the children's television show [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Control_(TV_series)"][i]Out of Control[/i][/url][i] (and subsequently on the more popular TV series [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_House"][i]Full House[/i][/url][i]), this gesture implies that one would like someone to stop doing whatever it is that they are doing, typically because it is destructive or annoying. It is a combination of three gestures each meant to emphasize one word of the phrase, which Coulier frequently emphasizes by speaking each word as he performs the corresponding gesture. It is given by first creating a scissors using your middle and index fingers ("cut"), followed by a generic "point" at the target ("it"), and finally finished with a single thumbs up retracted back to point behind oneself ("out", derived from a gesture [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball"][i]baseball[/i][/url][i] umpires may use to indicate a player is out).


[/i]Maybe he will read this and then next time he'll know better.[/quote]

Hmmm, I've never seen the gesture done that way, but I would also never admit to watching Full House.
[/quote]

Just because I knew exactly where to look this up doesn't mean I'm admitting to watching Full House. There's no way you could prove it in a court of law. Without picures, it didn't happen.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='OpusX20' post='1982776' date='Oct 1 2009, 06:02 PM'][quote name='kevcarter ' post='1982769' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:59 PM'][quote name='OpusX20' post='1982751' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:48 PM']Maybe if the assistant pro had watched a few more sitcoms growing up, he would have known how to properly execute this guesture in the correct manner. I'll let Wikipedia explain...


[b][i]Cut it out[/i][/b]
[i]Made famous by [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Coulier"][i]Dave Coulier[/i][/url][i] on the children's television show [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Control_(TV_series)"][i]Out of Control[/i][/url][i] (and subsequently on the more popular TV series [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_House"][i]Full House[/i][/url][i]), this gesture implies that one would like someone to stop doing whatever it is that they are doing, typically because it is destructive or annoying. It is a combination of three gestures each meant to emphasize one word of the phrase, which Coulier frequently emphasizes by speaking each word as he performs the corresponding gesture. It is given by first creating a scissors using your middle and index fingers ("cut"), followed by a generic "point" at the target ("it"), and finally finished with a single thumbs up retracted back to point behind oneself ("out", derived from a gesture [/i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball"][i]baseball[/i][/url][i] umpires may use to indicate a player is out).


[/i]Maybe he will read this and then next time he'll know better.[/quote]

Hmmm, I've never seen the gesture done that way, but I would also never admit to watching Full House.
[/quote]

Just because I knew exactly where to look this up doesn't mean I'm admitting to watching Full House. There's no way you could prove it in a court of law. Without picures, it didn't happen.
[/quote]

Whew, that's a relief!

Kevin

[KevCarter]

[quote name='mat562' post='1982739' date='Oct 1 2009, 05:43 PM']It's when you look out of the window of a plane and an ugly face is staring back that you really need to worry Kev.[/quote]

Mat, that was the first episode I ever watched as a kid, it still gives me nightmares!

Kevin

[screaming eagle]

Do you folks understand what is meant by the "throat slashing" gesture. It simply means to stop what you are doing. You are all making it sound like something threatening...

 

The policy at the range is silly, move on and take your business elsewhere.

 

Kevin

 

 

 

 

:clapping: there's another more common meaning for the same neck slice.

 

Yeah, this more common meaning is your dead. I doubt this fighter is saying stop what you are doing. He saying mess with me and suffer the consequences. This gesture is banned in the NBA and NFL. Should be banned in Hawaii on a driving range.

 

Not trying to start anything at all, KevCarter. Just that I would take it as a threat and unprofessional. Either it

The range apologizes or full refund.

 

Ed

 

Sorry but how do you equate a mixed martial artists gesture in the ring , to a camera no less, to a rude gesture that we first started talking about, which was clearly meant to convey 'cut it out', or 'desist'. i think no one doubts this was rude and tactless but to infer that the numbskull who did it was threatening is going a bit far in that context don't you think ?? i know its banned in the context of combatative sports like football, but its still used in TV studios, production lines, and tons of other places to mean just that. Iwould argue that the more common usage is to stop, especially in this context. Its unprofessional and extremely discourteous yes but its a bit beligerent to say that the range attendant is threatening you with harm don't you think ? Really this discussion should be about range etiqette and policy, not social semiotics.

[faith+1]

Why is there always some short grey haired guy in his late 40's/early 50's at every public driving range that is an a$$hole and/or stickler for the most mundane rules? Every time.

[Ed Settle]

Point taken. The point of discussion was the rule about coaching or lessons at the range. Even if you agree with the rule, I "think" we all agree it was not handled properly.

Sorry if I over reacted.