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Comparing Launch/Spin
I was looking for some input from you guys. If all things were equal, how would the launch and spin compare between these 3 shafts, Fubuki, Kai'li, and BB?

Thanks for your help.

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I would probably rate them as such:

Launch high - low:
Fubuki
RB
BB

Spin high - low:
RB
Fubuki
BB

I am a low ball hitter with my driver. I switched from the RB to the Fubuki (both 63g) and found I hit the ball a bit higher with a few hundred less RPMs of backspin. BB launched too low for me and, as a result, had lower spin rates.

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[quote name='Yepyukon' post='2079184' date='Nov 22 2009, 07:40 PM']I would probably rate them as such:

Launch high - low:
Fubuki
RB
BB

Spin high - low:
RB
Fubuki
BB

I am a low ball hitter with my driver. I switched from the RB to the Fubuki (both 63g) and found I hit the ball a bit higher with a few hundred less RPMs of backspin. BB launched too low for me and, as a result, had lower spin rates.[/quote]

Thank You!! I hate finding new shafts, because I have no where to demo, or a LM to compare #'s with :russian_roulette: . I have to do on course testing to find out how it works.

I guess the Fubuki is what I am looking for then.

I have a Adams 9016D w/ a Fuji COM TW64, it came with this shaft. I wanted something that feels a little stouter, and launches mid, w/ low spin. I guess it the Fubuki then.

Thanks

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Id say the Fubuki is gonna spin less than the BB. Unless your an ultra low spin and launch then I wouldnt even consider the RB.

 

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[quote name='ksavy17' post='2079573' date='Nov 22 2009, 10:41 PM']Id say the Fubuki is gonna spin less than the BB. Unless your an ultra low spin and launch then I wouldnt even consider the RB.[/quote]


Yeah I am actually thinking of changing the thread title to Fubuki, Kai'li, BB.

Whats the difference between the Kai'li and BB and Fubuki?

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I can compare the Fubuki/Kai'li, not the BB. And I would agree with the assessment that the Kai'li is [b]very[/b] smooth. I liken it to a Fubuki with a little more control. I found, as did a friend, that the Fubuki really likes a smooth swing, whereas the Kai'li takes a smooth swing, but has a bit more leeway when you swing a bit harder. I.E. it "behaves" - if you want to call it that - a bit better with a wider range of tempos. At least that is how I see it.

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Last week, I had my 9015D stock shaft changed to Kai'li.

Very smooth and tight dispersion.

According to my guy who changed the shaft for me, Kai'li sits right in middle between BB and WB as far as launch and spin are concerned.

Never had experience with Fubuki.

Kai'li played a touch softer than BB but it may caused by my BB in 905R bore through vs my 9015D.

with very nice and smooth swing, Kai'li was money.

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i believe the Kali is suppose to be a remake of the blueboard but with different materials to help reduce spin but I not 100% positive on that

 

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[quote name='rymail00' post='2079043' date='Nov 22 2009, 04:32 PM']I was looking for some input from you guys. If all things were equal, how would the launch and spin compare between these 3 shafts, Fubuki, Kai'li, and BB?

Thanks for your help.[/quote]

Highest Spin: BB, Fubuki then Kaili; but stipulate of the BB group highest is 63 then 73 and the least spin of BB is the 83.

Highest Launch: Fubuki, Kaili and BB are similar.

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Take this for what it's worth, but Titleist's Custom shaft launch/spin graph has the Fubuki spinning and launching slightly higher than the Redboard, with the Blueboard lower than both.

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Thanks very much to evertone who has replied.

Well I am putting on of these 3 in a 9016* 10.5 head. I do not have a fast ss, about 103ish. I am pretty smooth rythem but sometimes like to go after it, and have to worry about it going hard left. I have a WB in Rap v2 and love it, but I think the WB/9016D will be to low of spin/launch (I have no LM #'s, or even a LM to use either :russian_roulette: ).

So I guess I am looking for a mid launch, low-mid (more low than mid I guess) spin shaft. Does this fit Kai'li or Fubuki, or BB better?

Just looking for all anyone/all opinions, thanks guys!

EDIT: Oh yeah I have a Fuji ZCOM Tw64 in it now. I am heading to the course shortly to try it out again, and hopefully get a better feel of the head/shaft, and have more of idea of what I want to change about this shaft

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[quote name='marrigo' post='2080308' date='Nov 23 2009, 09:39 AM']Take this for what it's worth, but Titleist's Custom shaft launch/spin graph has the Fubuki spinning and launching slightly higher than the Redboard, with the Blueboard lower than both.

[attachment=499598:Custom_20090901.pdf][/quote]

that's odd
It also has DG as listed as lowest spinning shaft

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[quote name='rymail00' post='2080331' date='Nov 23 2009, 08:50 AM']Thanks very much to evertone who has replied.

Well I am putting on of these 3 in a 9016* 10.5 head. I do not have a fast ss, about 103ish. I am pretty smooth rythem but sometimes like to go after it, and have to worry about it going hard left. I have a WB in Rap v2 and love it, but I think the WB/9016D will be to low of spin/launch (I have no LM #'s, or even a LM to use either :russian_roulette: ).

So I guess I am looking for a mid launch, low-mid (more low than mid I guess) spin shaft. Does this fit Kai'li or Fubuki, or BB better?

Just looking for all anyone/all opinions, thanks guys!

EDIT: Oh yeah I have a Fuji ZCOM Tw64 in it now. I am heading to the course shortly to try it out again, and hopefully get a better feel of the head/shaft, and have more of idea of what I want to change about this shaft[/quote]
If mid launch is your goal with low spin then Id go with the Fubuki but id keep in mind that the fubuki 63 gram shaft has 3.7 torque so if you do go after one you might see it go left

 

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[quote name='ksavy17' post='2081325' date='Nov 23 2009, 07:45 PM'][quote name='rymail00' post='2080331' date='Nov 23 2009, 08:50 AM']Thanks very much to evertone who has replied.

Well I am putting on of these 3 in a 9016* 10.5 head. I do not have a fast ss, about 103ish. I am pretty smooth rythem but sometimes like to go after it, and have to worry about it going hard left. I have a WB in Rap v2 and love it, but I think the WB/9016D will be to low of spin/launch (I have no LM #'s, or even a LM to use either :russian_roulette: ).

So I guess I am looking for a mid launch, low-mid (more low than mid I guess) spin shaft. Does this fit Kai'li or Fubuki, or BB better?

Just looking for all anyone/all opinions, thanks guys!

EDIT: Oh yeah I have a Fuji ZCOM Tw64 in it now. I am heading to the course shortly to try it out again, and hopefully get a better feel of the head/shaft, and have more of idea of what I want to change about this shaft[/quote]
If mid launch is your goal with low spin then Id go with the Fubuki but id keep in mind that the fubuki 63 gram shaft has 3.7 torque so if you do go after one you might see it go left
[/quote]

I am thinking about the i'lima, and Fubuki.

I took out the 9016/ZCOM TW64 today. The launh w/ this combo is perfect but if I go after it, the shaft feels very loose, and go's left hard.

Our Dick's has a crappy LM now. I am going to go get on it and hit some shots and get some #'s. I PM'd Joe Kwok about a i'lima and installing it for me. So I am going to get some numbers for and see what he thinks.

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j kwok is the guy you wanna talk to if you want the right set-up!! whateve you go with, I hope it works out

 

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[quote name='ksavy17' post='2081687' date='Nov 23 2009, 10:33 PM']j kwok is the guy you wanna talk to if you want the right set-up!! whateve you go with, I hope it works out[/quote]


Yeah I am pretty psyched about it myself. Unfortunately I won't be able to use it until next year, our season is just about over :russian_roulette: .

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This seems interesting to me as well. So the Kai'li is BB launch with WB spin? This seems like something I would exactly be looking for..

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[quote name='pdaero' post='2081788' date='Nov 23 2009, 11:17 PM']This seems interesting to me as well. So the Kai'li is BB launch with WB spin? This seems like something I would exactly be looking for..[/quote]


I believe the Kai'li launcheslike the BB but spins less the BB, but just a tad more than the WB, I think?

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I've got the Kai'li in a 909d2 (Kwoked) and you've basically got it. Launches like the bb with a lower spin. I never really liked the BB, but love the WB. I needed a shaft with similar feel but higher launch. Kai'li. I do play the Fubuki in my 3w and it's great for a fairway club, just spins to much for me in the driver. The Kai'li does require proper tipping. It might be a good idea to pm Joe.

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[quote name='rymail00' post='2080331' date='Nov 23 2009, 06:50 AM']Thanks very much to evertone who has replied.

Well I am putting on of these 3 in a 9016* 10.5 head. I do not have a fast ss, about 103ish. I am pretty smooth rythem but sometimes like to go after it, and have to worry about it going hard left. I have a WB in Rap v2 and love it, but I think the WB/9016D will be to low of spin/launch (I have no LM #'s, or even a LM to use either :russian_roulette: ).

So I guess I am looking for a mid launch, low-mid (more low than mid I guess) spin shaft. Does this fit Kai'li or Fubuki, or BB better?

Just looking for all anyone/all opinions, thanks guys!

EDIT: Oh yeah I have a Fuji ZCOM Tw64 in it now. I am heading to the course shortly to try it out again, and hopefully get a better feel of the head/shaft, and have more of idea of what I want to change about this shaft[/quote]

You and I appear to have similar swing characteristics. I am a smooth 102 avg SS, somewhat compact, fairly heavy loader. I went through a very thorough fitting last week, sampling 16 different shafts (no Kai'li unfortunately) using a Nakashima head 9/10.5* loft, fit with the HTEC system, on a flight scope. While I didn't like the Nakashima, the process was very thorough and scientific in process. I should note that I was hitting the ball particularly well that day and I felt very strong.

The overwhelming winner from a dispersion, spin rate, launch angle and most importantly "feel" perspective was the Diamana 73g S Whiteboard. I was amazed by the responsiveness of the shaft and the almost soft feeling at the grip. I could feel every aspect of the shaft and head and their interaction with my swing. It was like driving a ferrari.

I must admit I was fairly surprised by the results. I always thought the WB was too much shaft for me. In fact it was the tightest, smoothest, best feeling shaft I have ever hit. It was a little like throwing darts, the dispersion was that tight.

All that being said, the next day after thinking heavily about it, I opted to order a Kai'li shaft. My reasoning being that the Kai'li is a slightly higher launching, slightly softer flexing, slightly higher spinning shaft, with very similar feel to the WB, "A BB on steroids according to the Diamana rep I spoke with".

I was simply concerned that when i was tired, or on those cold mornings, or really wet days, the WB would be a little too much shaft for me. The Kai'li seemed to fit more in the middle of my performance specifications, where the WB was at the upper limits, manageable but something that would require a little more effort to really maximize and launch high enough. Additionally I was able to hit the Kai'li with a similar head to the one I am ordering, in a 70g X last week. Too stiff but very smooth and right in the wheel house from a launch angle and spin perspective, so my decision wasn't a complete shot in the dark.

I am picking the club up tomorrow and will have a chance to review the final product in the next few days. I will let you know how it turned out and what my experience is with the shaft in a real world scenario.

PS: Fubuki 73g S, didn't make the final round, not a very good shaft for me. Too high, too much spin, right & left, didn't like it at all. On the other hand, Oban devotion came in second, really liked the shaft and would like to hit it again.

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[quote name='Honcho72' post='2081831' date='Nov 23 2009, 11:42 PM']I've got the Kai'li in a 909d2 (Kwoked) and you've basically got it. Launches like the bb with a lower spin. I never really liked the BB, but love the WB. I needed a shaft with similar feel but higher launch. Kai'li. I do play the Fubuki in my 3w and it's great for a fairway club, just spins to much for me in the driver. The Kai'li does require proper tipping. It might be a good idea to pm Joe.[/quote]

Thanks I actually did PM Joe yesterday. Basically I need to get on the LM at Dick's and get some #'s. I have 3 drivers now, to at least pull some #'s from, a:
G10 w/ 10.5 (12.1* digital loft)V2 65 stiff
Rap V2 10.5* (10.9* digital loft) w/ WB 63 stiff,
9016D 10.5* w/ Fuji ZCOM TW64.

The 9016D w/ ZCOM is the longest of the 3, and noticably longer at that. I think the super low spinning head really helps. Its like it gets up quick but flattens out and just keeps flying, and hits the ground hot too. Honestly, yesterday was the 3rd day out w/ it. I was getting to places on the course I really have not been to in awhile, especially since its only been about 45*-50* when we play. I really like the shape of the head, the feel, and how it sits slightly open too.

I don't know... The guys who work at Dick''s don't really know all that much about shafts and stuff like that. There are just some young guys like me who can regrip a club, or pull a shaft out of a head, so they got the job. They don't have a fitting cart, or anything like that either. They have a couple R9's, and a few FT-9's, all w/ the stock offerings.


[quote name='Ratbastrd' post='2081951' date='Nov 24 2009, 12:52 AM'][quote name='rymail00' post='2080331' date='Nov 23 2009, 06:50 AM']Thanks very much to evertone who has replied.

Well I am putting on of these 3 in a 9016* 10.5 head. I do not have a fast ss, about 103ish. I am pretty smooth rythem but sometimes like to go after it, and have to worry about it going hard left. I have a WB in Rap v2 and love it, but I think the WB/9016D will be to low of spin/launch (I have no LM #'s, or even a LM to use either :russian_roulette: ).

So I guess I am looking for a mid launch, low-mid (more low than mid I guess) spin shaft. Does this fit Kai'li or Fubuki, or BB better?

Just looking for all anyone/all opinions, thanks guys!

EDIT: Oh yeah I have a Fuji ZCOM Tw64 in it now. I am heading to the course shortly to try it out again, and hopefully get a better feel of the head/shaft, and have more of idea of what I want to change about this shaft[/quote]

You and I appear to have similar swing characteristics. I am a smooth 102 avg SS, somewhat compact, fairly heavy loader. I went through a very thorough fitting last week, sampling 16 different shafts (no Kai'li unfortunately) using a Nakashima head 9/10.5* loft, fit with the HTEC system, on a flight scope. While I didn't like the Nakashima, the process was very thorough and scientific in process. I should note that I was hitting the ball particularly well that day and I felt very strong.

The overwhelming winner from a dispersion, spin rate, launch angle and most importantly "feel" perspective was the Diamana 73g S Whiteboard. I was amazed by the responsiveness of the shaft and the almost soft feeling at the grip. I could feel every aspect of the shaft and head and their interaction with my swing. It was like driving a ferrari.

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I was simply concerned that when i was tired, or on those cold mornings, or really wet days, the WB would be a little too much shaft for me. The Kai'li seemed to fit more in the middle of my performance specifications, where the WB was at the upper limits, manageable but something that would require a little more effort to really maximize and launch high enough. Additionally I was able to hit the Kai'li with a similar head to the one I am ordering, in a 70g X last week. Too stiff but very smooth and right in the wheel house from a launch angle and spin perspective, so my decision wasn't a complete shot in the dark.

I am picking the club up tomorrow and will have a chance to review the final product in the next few days. I will let you know how it turned out and what my experience is with the shaft in a real world scenario.

PS: Fubuki 73g S, didn't make the final round, not a very good shaft for me. Too high, too much spin, right & left, didn't like it at all. On the other hand, Oban devotion came in second, really liked the shaft and would like to hit it again.
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I love my WB 63 stiff. I just think that it won't work out in my 9016. I get about the same launch, maybe just a tad lower w/ the 9016 w/ ZCOM Tw64, then my 10.9* Rap V2 w/ Wb 63.

I can'y find alot of info on the the ZCOM TW64, I believe its a mid, mid-high launch, w/ mid spin, not sure though...

Definitely looking forward to your review.

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[quote name='Ratbastrd' post='2081951' date='Nov 23 2009, 11:52 PM'][quote name='rymail00' post='2080331' date='Nov 23 2009, 06:50 AM']Thanks very much to evertone who has replied.

Well I am putting on of these 3 in a 9016* 10.5 head. I do not have a fast ss, about 103ish. I am pretty smooth rythem but sometimes like to go after it, and have to worry about it going hard left. I have a WB in Rap v2 and love it, but I think the WB/9016D will be to low of spin/launch (I have no LM #'s, or even a LM to use either :russian_roulette: ).

So I guess I am looking for a mid launch, low-mid (more low than mid I guess) spin shaft. Does this fit Kai'li or Fubuki, or BB better?

Just looking for all anyone/all opinions, thanks guys!

EDIT: Oh yeah I have a Fuji ZCOM Tw64 in it now. I am heading to the course shortly to try it out again, and hopefully get a better feel of the head/shaft, and have more of idea of what I want to change about this shaft[/quote]

You and I appear to have similar swing characteristics. I am a smooth 102 avg SS, somewhat compact, fairly heavy loader. I went through a very thorough fitting last week, sampling 16 different shafts (no Kai'li unfortunately) using a Nakashima head 9/10.5* loft, fit with the HTEC system, on a flight scope. While I didn't like the Nakashima, the process was very thorough and scientific in process. I should note that I was hitting the ball particularly well that day and I felt very strong.

The overwhelming winner from a dispersion, spin rate, launch angle and most importantly "feel" perspective was the Diamana 73g S Whiteboard. I was amazed by the responsiveness of the shaft and the almost soft feeling at the grip. I could feel every aspect of the shaft and head and their interaction with my swing. It was like driving a ferrari.

I must admit I was fairly surprised by the results. I always thought the WB was too much shaft for me. In fact it was the tightest, smoothest, best feeling shaft I have ever hit. It was a little like throwing darts, the dispersion was that tight.

All that being said, the next day after thinking heavily about it, I opted to order a Kai'li shaft. My reasoning being that the Kai'li is a slightly higher launching, slightly softer flexing, slightly higher spinning shaft, with very similar feel to the WB, "A BB on steroids according to the Diamana rep I spoke with".

I was simply concerned that when i was tired, or on those cold mornings, or really wet days, the WB would be a little too much shaft for me. The Kai'li seemed to fit more in the middle of my performance specifications, where the WB was at the upper limits, manageable but something that would require a little more effort to really maximize and launch high enough. Additionally I was able to hit the Kai'li with a similar head to the one I am ordering, in a 70g X last week. Too stiff but very smooth and right in the wheel house from a launch angle and spin perspective, so my decision wasn't a complete shot in the dark.

I am picking the club up tomorrow and will have a chance to review the final product in the next few days. I will let you know how it turned out and what my experience is with the shaft in a real world scenario.

PS: Fubuki 73g S, didn't make the final round, not a very good shaft for me. Too high, too much spin, right & left, didn't like it at all. On the other hand, Oban devotion came in second, really liked the shaft and would like to hit it again.
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I think you made wise decision.

I expect fancy, expensive shaft do all the job but it all comes down to our swing that day.

I love WB as I tested it many times but it is true that is demanding shaft for regular players like me.

That is why I went with Kai'li because it is still lower spinning shaft than BB but easier to get the ball in the air than WB too. I have been told by Chip Usher (who put the shaft for me) Kai'li is the middle ground between BB and WB as far as spin and launch are concerning.

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I have a 9015d in WB 73x (LDA head) and I agree with comments re feel of whiteboard. Plus it is simply not that stout of a shaft. I actually hit this driver higher than a G15 w serrano and a 09 Burner tp with 757x

I first had a 73s in a 909 dcomp and that is a unbelievably soft feeling shaft, just a little weak for me (I'm a 108-110 swinger with a v fast transition)

Dropping a WB 83s in a 9016d LDA head and will comment once it is built and tested

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[quote name='caller' post='2082394' date='Nov 24 2009, 11:15 AM'][quote name='Ratbastrd' post='2081951' date='Nov 23 2009, 11:52 PM'][quote name='rymail00' post='2080331' date='Nov 23 2009, 06:50 AM']Thanks very much to evertone who has replied.

Well I am putting on of these 3 in a 9016* 10.5 head. I do not have a fast ss, about 103ish. I am pretty smooth rythem but sometimes like to go after it, and have to worry about it going hard left. I have a WB in Rap v2 and love it, but I think the WB/9016D will be to low of spin/launch (I have no LM #'s, or even a LM to use either :russian_roulette: ).

So I guess I am looking for a mid launch, low-mid (more low than mid I guess) spin shaft. Does this fit Kai'li or Fubuki, or BB better?

Just looking for all anyone/all opinions, thanks guys!

EDIT: Oh yeah I have a Fuji ZCOM Tw64 in it now. I am heading to the course shortly to try it out again, and hopefully get a better feel of the head/shaft, and have more of idea of what I want to change about this shaft[/quote]

You and I appear to have similar swing characteristics. I am a smooth 102 avg SS, somewhat compact, fairly heavy loader. I went through a very thorough fitting last week, sampling 16 different shafts (no Kai'li unfortunately) using a Nakashima head 9/10.5* loft, fit with the HTEC system, on a flight scope. While I didn't like the Nakashima, the process was very thorough and scientific in process. I should note that I was hitting the ball particularly well that day and I felt very strong.

The overwhelming winner from a dispersion, spin rate, launch angle and most importantly "feel" perspective was the Diamana 73g S Whiteboard. I was amazed by the responsiveness of the shaft and the almost soft feeling at the grip. I could feel every aspect of the shaft and head and their interaction with my swing. It was like driving a ferrari.

I must admit I was fairly surprised by the results. I always thought the WB was too much shaft for me. In fact it was the tightest, smoothest, best feeling shaft I have ever hit. It was a little like throwing darts, the dispersion was that tight.

All that being said, the next day after thinking heavily about it, I opted to order a Kai'li shaft. My reasoning being that the Kai'li is a slightly higher launching, slightly softer flexing, slightly higher spinning shaft, with very similar feel to the WB, "A BB on steroids according to the Diamana rep I spoke with".

I was simply concerned that when i was tired, or on those cold mornings, or really wet days, the WB would be a little too much shaft for me. The Kai'li seemed to fit more in the middle of my performance specifications, where the WB was at the upper limits, manageable but something that would require a little more effort to really maximize and launch high enough. Additionally I was able to hit the Kai'li with a similar head to the one I am ordering, in a 70g X last week. Too stiff but very smooth and right in the wheel house from a launch angle and spin perspective, so my decision wasn't a complete shot in the dark.

I am picking the club up tomorrow and will have a chance to review the final product in the next few days. I will let you know how it turned out and what my experience is with the shaft in a real world scenario.

PS: Fubuki 73g S, didn't make the final round, not a very good shaft for me. Too high, too much spin, right & left, didn't like it at all. On the other hand, Oban devotion came in second, really liked the shaft and would like to hit it again.
[/quote]

I think you made wise decision.

I expect fancy, expensive shaft do all the job but it all comes down to our swing that day.

I love WB as I tested it many times but it is true that is demanding shaft for regular players like me.

That is why I went with Kai'li because it is still lower spinning shaft than BB but easier to get the ball in the air than WB too. I have been told by Chip Usher (who put the shaft for me) Kai'li is the middle ground between BB and WB as far as spin and launch are concerning.
[/quote]

Personally I really like my V2 w/ WB. I hit both drivers today. On the really tight holes I hit the V2/WB, and When It was a little more open I hit 9016.

The V2 w/ WB is just super straight for me. It will be hard to kick it out, hopefully having a driver shaft thats been fitted (kinda) will help. I am pretty psyched.

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I seem to be having the same questions. I am in the midst of changing my shafts around in my driver and 3 wood. I gained a solid 10mph in my swing from June to now. Im swinging around 116-120mph. I wanted to know if the Kai'li was a good shaft to buy if played it in Xtra Stiff 80g for a TEE XCG 3 wood. I have a Diamana Whiteboard in it now but it is 73 stiff not xtra stiff. I hit it perfect some swings but it tends to draw left if I chase after it. Any suggestions for driver and 3 wood shafts that can fit my swing? :bb:

Any and all help is much appreciated! Thanks

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[quote name='4ever34golf' post='2113776' date='Dec 9 2009, 11:36 AM']I seem to be having the same questions. I am in the midst of changing my shafts around in my driver and 3 wood. I gained a solid 10mph in my swing from June to now. Im swinging around 116-120mph. I wanted to know if the Kai'li was a good shaft to buy if played it in Xtra Stiff 80g for a TEE XCG 3 wood. I have a Diamana Whiteboard in it now but it is 73 stiff not xtra stiff. I hit it perfect some swings but it tends to draw left if I chase after it. Any suggestions for driver and 3 wood shafts that can fit my swing? :bb:

Any and all help is much appreciated! Thanks

Beau[/quote]

I'm guessing that the Kai'li 80X will be perfect for your three wood, and maybe the WB73X for your driver, if you're looking for lower launch/spin.

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So some are saying that the Fubuki spins less than the K'aili and some say more?? I was told it was all about tipping with the Fubuki. Tip it right and it's a great low spin shaft. I love the way the K'aili looks but if it's not that much different from the Fubuki I already have but haven't installed yet I won't try the K'aili.

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