GHIN Reporting: Outlier Golf Round?

[Sean2]

I have been averaging in the low to mid-90s for 18 holes (17.3 HI). I have been practicing very hard and am seeing some positive results on the range, but the swing changes have been difficult to implement on the course.

 

However, today I shot a 75 on a par 70. Am I required to report this score, which is so outside the norm for me? Will that just skew my HI?

 

Thank you for your responses.

[EnglishBob]

Yes. If played by the rules on an in season course, yes.

[Guia]

Yes, you are required to post all legal scores. It will not effect you HI very much, they use your best most recent 10 rounds.

[TMfan54]

why wouldnt you want to post it?! it can help LOWER you handicap which is the goal, right?

[Rohlio]

My biggest gripe with the USGA handicapping system is that only low outliers effect your score, whereas high outlier's are completely ignored.

I play with two guys pretty regularly and the three of us have a scoring average with +/- .3 of each other at any given point (78.2 currently), but I am a 4, one guy is a 7, and the other is a 5. Obviously the difference is that my good stuff is better than theirs and my bad stuff is much worse. But why on earth am I giving 3 strokes to a guy with the same scoring average established on the same home course? Screw you handicapping system!

Yes you must report it btw. Remember a handicap is only a tool used to make money by the weak minded and shameless. A true golfer realizes that the handicap is simply a mirror of what has happened, not a tool to be used/manipulated.

[Sean2]

Thank you all for your replies. I appreciate your time. :-)

[Sawgrass]

[quote name='Sean2' date='29 May 2010 - 05:51 PM' timestamp='1275169894' post='2475155']
. . . today I shot a 75 on a par 70. Am I required to report this score, which is so outside the norm for me? Will that just skew my HI?

[/quote]


Your handicap is supposed to reflect your potential. Your 75 is a clear reflection of that potential. I wouldn't look at a reduced handicap as having been "skewed", I'd look at it as having been appropriately adjusted. Twenty rounds from now it will drop out of your calculation, and if you haven't backed it up with other low rounds you'll go back to where you are anyway.

If I were you I'd take pride in the reduction. Congratulations on that 75.

[Sean2]

[quote name='Sawgrass' date='29 May 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1275189533' post='2475586']
[quote name='Sean2' date='29 May 2010 - 05:51 PM' timestamp='1275169894' post='2475155']
. . . today I shot a 75 on a par 70. Am I required to report this score, which is so outside the norm for me? Will that just skew my HI?

[/quote]


Your handicap is supposed to reflect your potential. Your 75 is a clear reflection of that potential. I wouldn't look at a reduced handicap as having been "skewed", I'd look at it as having been appropriately adjusted. Twenty rounds from now it will drop out of your calculation, and if you haven't backed it up with other low rounds you'll go back to where you are anyway.

If I were you I'd take pride in the reduction. Congratulations on that 75.
[/quote]
Thanks Sawgrass. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. My 16 year old son played as well and broke 80 with a 78. Neither of us lost a golf ball. LOL.

[w104jmn]

Always put in every score! Great round BTW!

[DanZ]

In no way trying to detract from his 75, great score, but doesn't slope affect how much that score will impact his handicap? If this score was shot on a low slope course, it won't have as significant of an impact, right? Either way, I'd have no hesitation in posting it.

[Sean2]

[quote name='w104jmn' date='30 May 2010 - 10:26 AM' timestamp='1275229609' post='2476057']
Always put in every score! Great round BTW![/quote]
Thanks!


[quote name='DanZ' date='30 May 2010 - 11:57 AM' timestamp='1275235020' post='2476175']
In no way trying to detract from his 75, great score, but doesn't slope affect how much that score will impact his handicap? If this score was shot on a low slope course, it won't have as significant of an impact, right? Either way, I'd have no hesitation in posting it.
[/quote]
Thank you!

[tfro]

[quote name='DanZ' date='30 May 2010 - 10:57 AM' timestamp='1275235020' post='2476175']
In no way trying to detract from his 75, great score, but doesn't slope affect how much that score will impact his handicap? If this score was shot on a low slope course, it won't have as significant of an impact, right? Either way, I'd have no hesitation in posting it.
[/quote]

When you're that close to the course rating (assuming it's somewhere near 70ish), the slope doesn't really mater that much. The differential may swing by ~1 between a really low to really high slope, and that carries to a difference of only .1 on the index.

[Rohlio]

[quote name='DanZ' date='30 May 2010 - 11:57 AM' timestamp='1275235020' post='2476175']
In no way trying to detract from his 75, great score, but doesn't slope affect how much that score will impact his handicap? If this score was shot on a low slope course, it won't have as significant of an impact, right? Either way, I'd have no hesitation in posting it.
[/quote]

No. Slope does not effect how it will effect his score...Course rating will, since it uses the differential between your score and the course rating. Slope is factored in only when determining your course handicap, based on your index.

[w104jmn]

Slope affect the course handicap for the course you are playing today, or tomorrow, etc. Course rating it what the GHIN system uses to figure out your handicap.

[Sawgrass]

[quote name='Rohlio' date='01 June 2010 - 12:48 AM' timestamp='1275367739' post='2479452']
[quote name='DanZ' date='30 May 2010 - 11:57 AM' timestamp='1275235020' post='2476175']
In no way trying to detract from his 75, great score, but doesn't slope affect how much that score will impact his handicap? If this score was shot on a low slope course, it won't have as significant of an impact, right? Either way, I'd have no hesitation in posting it.
[/quote]

No. Slope does not effect how it will effect his score...Course rating will, since it uses the differential between your score and the course rating. Slope is factored in only when determining your course handicap, based on your index.
[/quote]


Yes, the course handicap is determined simply by using the course's slope and your index.

But it's not true that slope does not effect your handicap calculation. The differential used in the calculation of your handicap is not simply your score minus the course rating. The differential for each score is calculated by subtracting the course rating from your (ESC adjusted) score, then multiplying by 113 and then dividing by the slope of the course you played. So the slope does have an impact on how a particular score will effect your handicap.

Edit: I meant to say "course handicap" and not "course rating" in my first sentence above, and I have now corrected it.

[tfro]

Since multiple people don't seem to understand how a differential is calculated:

[url=""][/url]10-1. Calculation of Handicap Differentials

A [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#HandicapDifferential"]Handicap Differential[/url][/i] is computed from four elements: [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#AdjustedGrossScore"]adjusted gross score[/url][/i], [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#USGACourseRating"]USGA Course Rating[/url][/i], [i]Slope Rating,[/i] and 113 (the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#SlopeRating"]Slope Rating[/url][/i] of a course of standard difficulty). To determine the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#HandicapDifferential"]Handicap Differential[/url][/i], subtract the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#USGACourseRating"]USGA Course Rating[/url][/i] from the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#AdjustedGrossScore"]adjusted gross score[/url][/i]; multiply the difference by 113; and divide the resulting number by the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#SlopeRating"]Slope Rating[/url][/i]. Round the final number to the nearest tenth.

[i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#HandicapDifferential"]Handicap Differential[/url][/i] = ([i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#AdjustedGrossScore"]Adjusted Gross Score[/url][/i] - [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#USGACourseRating"]USGA Course Rating[/url][/i]) x 113 / [url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#SlopeRating"][i]Slope Rating
[/i][/url]

[varno]

[quote name='tfro' date='01 June 2010 - 11:14 AM' timestamp='1275405283' post='2479903']
Since multiple people don't seem to understand how a differential is calculated:

10-1. Calculation of Handicap Differentials

A [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#HandicapDifferential"]Handicap Differential[/url][/i] is computed from four elements: [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#AdjustedGrossScore"]adjusted gross score[/url][/i], [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#USGACourseRating"]USGA Course Rating[/url][/i], [i]Slope Rating,[/i] and 113 (the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#SlopeRating"]Slope Rating[/url][/i] of a course of standard difficulty). To determine the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#HandicapDifferential"]Handicap Differential[/url][/i], subtract the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#USGACourseRating"]USGA Course Rating[/url][/i] from the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#AdjustedGrossScore"]adjusted gross score[/url][/i]; multiply the difference by 113; and divide the resulting number by the [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#SlopeRating"]Slope Rating[/url][/i]. Round the final number to the nearest tenth.

[i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#HandicapDifferential"]Handicap Differential[/url][/i] = ([i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#AdjustedGrossScore"]Adjusted Gross Score[/url][/i] - [i][url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#USGACourseRating"]USGA Course Rating[/url][/i]) x 113 / [url="http://www.usga.org/workarea/linkit.aspx?linkidentifier=id&itemid=14370#SlopeRating"][i]Slope Rating
[/i][/url]



[/quote]

So if i am shooting consistant 85's on a 124 slope, I will have a lower index then another guy shooting 85 on a 113?

If so that makes a lot of sense, as I just re-established and was surprised at my index. (low side)

[Sawgrass]

[quote name='varno' date='01 June 2010 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1275443724' post='2481242']
So if i am shooting consistant 85's on a 124 slope, I will have a lower index then another guy shooting 85 on a 113?

[/quote]


Exactly. If you can shoot consistent 85s on a high-slope course, you are a better golfer than someone who shoots consistent 85s on a low-slope course -- and your lower handicap should and will reflect that.

[w104jmn]

And I am corrected, thank you. I thought I had it down, but now I think I do, until the next time when I think I do.

[Geohans]

Sorry, but remember 8th grade?

Something AFFECTS something else. It may have an EFFECT on some other thing.

You cannot EFFECT something.

Okay, now start with the grammar Nazi accusations.

btw every round must be posted, and yes slope affects how the score affects your handicap. In other words, it has an effect.

But I'm sure my obsession with grammar is only an affectation.

[Sawgrass]

[quote name='Geohans' date='01 June 2010 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1275447392' post='2481404']
Sorry, but remember 8th grade?

Something AFFECTS something else. It may have an EFFECT on some other thing.

You cannot EFFECT something.

Okay, now start with the grammar Nazi accusations.

btw every round must be posted, and yes slope affects how the score affects your handicap. In other words, it has an effect.

But I'm sure my obsession with grammar is only an affectation.
[/quote]

An interesting and valuable lesson from the person who recently crafted the following fine sentence in another thread:

"Don't listen to anyone who tell you what to play. especially here."

Your syntax and capitalization are flawless.

(I'm inclined to agree with your "affectation" observation.)

[Rohlio]

[quote name='Sawgrass' date='01 June 2010 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1275401017' post='2479771']
[quote name='Rohlio' date='01 June 2010 - 12:48 AM' timestamp='1275367739' post='2479452']
[quote name='DanZ' date='30 May 2010 - 11:57 AM' timestamp='1275235020' post='2476175']
In no way trying to detract from his 75, great score, but doesn't slope affect how much that score will impact his handicap? If this score was shot on a low slope course, it won't have as significant of an impact, right? Either way, I'd have no hesitation in posting it.
[/quote]

No. Slope does not effect how it will effect his score...Course rating will, since it uses the differential between your score and the course rating. Slope is factored in only when determining your course handicap, based on your index.
[/quote]


Yes, the course handicap is determined simply by using the course's slope and your index.

But it's not true that slope does not effect your handicap calculation. The differential used in the calculation of your handicap is not simply your score minus the course rating. The differential for each score is calculated by subtracting the course rating from your (ESC adjusted) score, then multiplying by 113 and then dividing by the slope of the course you played. So the slope does have an impact on how a particular score will effect your handicap.

Edit: I meant to say "course handicap" and not "course rating" in my first sentence above, and I have now corrected it.
[/quote]


Thank you for the clarification. I was wrong and appreciate the correction.

[sooperstring]

[quote name='Geohans' date='01 June 2010 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1275447392' post='2481404']
Sorry, but remember 8th grade?

Something AFFECTS something else. It may have an EFFECT on some other thing.

You cannot EFFECT something.

Okay, now start with the grammar Nazi accusations.

btw every round must be posted, and yes slope affects how the score affects your handicap. In other words, it has an effect.

But I'm sure my obsession with grammar is only an affectation.
[/quote]

Sure you can effect something. Transitive verbs, dude. They rule.

[mark m]

Sean2: What have you scored lately?

It's been about a week.....we're invested in this too, you know......you did it once (75), did you do it again?....I wanna know if it was an outlier round or not.....don't be flying under the radar on us!

[mills225]

It is great to hear that your practice is paying off. Keep it up and your handicap will keep getting better.

[Sean2]

[quote name='mark m' date='04 June 2010 - 11:03 PM' timestamp='1275706989' post='2487326']
Sean2: What have you scored lately?

It's been about a week.....we're invested in this too, you know......you did it once (75), did you do it again?....I wanna know if it was an outlier round or not.....don't be flying under the radar on us!
[/quote]
I haven't had the opportunity to play...have been practicing. :-)


[quote name='mills225' date='09 June 2010 - 09:08 AM' timestamp='1276088914' post='2497482']
It is great to hear that your practice is paying off. Keep it up and your handicap will keep getting better.
[/quote]
Thanks!

[stevestrike]

[quote name='Rohlio' date='29 May 2010 - 05:17 PM' timestamp='1275171455' post='2475180']
But why on earth am I giving 3 strokes to a guy with the same scoring average established on the same home course? [/quote]I don't know, why are you? Nobody I know gives strokes like that. That may be "by the book", but around here you have to negotate your strokes with your playing partners. I'd say if you are a 4, playing with a 5 and a 7 you would probably give 1 a side, maybe none with the guys I play with. Stingy bastards...

[Geohans]

Sawgrass, if I really typed that, it was a typo.

I will effect a review immediately.

To the OP, I assume you know that the 75 you shot does not mean your handicap will drop to 3 next month.

And I too look forward to the OP's next score. Please post it hear!

Just kidding.