Over-seeding: Here it comes....

[Smash Factors]

Most of the courses here in Vegas are in crappy condition right now. They are drying everything up for over-seeding.

 

I played Tuscany on Saturday. Usually, the grass is green as is gets. Saturday was splotchy and dry all over.

 

Even my home course is bone dry.

 

Are you guys experiencing similar conditions in your home town?

[Shipwreck]

We are about to here in Tucson, AZ.

[Smash Factors]

Tuscany will close down for 6 weeks starting September 10th.

Do they always close during over-seeding?

[Shipwreck]

I've never seen a course open for over-seeding. Most of the courses here in Tucson are 1-3 weeks, but few are for a full month or 2.

[Shipwreck]

My mistake. We still have another 3-4 weeks until over-seeding.

[bamathrasher]

We've been getting a lot of rain here in the southeast.

I actually played Tuscany back in May while in vegas for my brother's bachelor party, ask the clubhouse if they ever found a cobra s2 driver head in the pond that 17/18 share. LOL, I put it there. That would be hilarious if they actually did find it. Great course btw, loved it.

[360_CS]

It's the opposite here (ending of winter) and I can't wait until they core the greens didn't do it last year because they said it was too wet? The greens have been playing soft and slow or year.

[YMark]

[quote name='Shipwreck' timestamp='1345583477' post='5511724']
My mistake. We still have another 3-4 weeks until over-seeding.
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Doesn't the temperature have to have a "low" a certain minimum before overseeding can take place? I'm pretty sure overseeding in AZ isn't until sometime in October.

[Shipwreck]

End of September till the end of October is when it usually happens. They also want to make sure that the monsoons have passed us up so that way they don't lose their overseeding,

[fore_life]

I for one like the dry, firm and fast conditions.

I've seen some courses here overseed in sept(vistal is closed most of September for punching), my home track is closing for most of October.

[inthefairway]

I know it's good for the course but they are doing a lot of that crap on courses in the Northeast here now!!!!!!!!!

[Smash Factors]

[quote name='fore_life' timestamp='1345586016' post='5511928']
I for one like the dry, firm and fast conditions.

I've seen some courses here overseed in sept(vistal is closed most of September for punching), my home track is closing for most of October.
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I can't stand those dry, choppy lies in the fairway. I tend to be a picker, so it's harder for me to get it headed the right direction. I would rather be in short rough than a dry fairway.

[Pepperturbo]

So far haven't encountered any over-seeding here in SoCA. In SoCA and the desert, very few courses close during over-seeding. If they do, it's not for very long. All depends on the courses financial condition, charter and possibly the benevolent dictator / owners wish. Many private / upscale Resort clubs like Pelican and Trump close down, as they should.

[teejaywhy]

I'm with fore_life, the three weeks prior to overseed when they dry things out produces some of the most delightful conditions of the year.

Oh yeah, Dobson Ranch closes for like three days while they do the actual overseed. Then you just play through the grow-in, shaggy greens and all.

[Fourmyle of Ceres]

I am so glad our club doesn't overseed. It's probably as much because of the cost as anything but I love not having to give up a month during the best weather of the year in October/November and then another month in the spring. Dormant Bermuda grass is an excellent playing surface, although this past winter was so mild there was a hint of green in it off and on all winter.

[golfingchuck]

[quote name='Fourmyle of Ceres' timestamp='1345597130' post='5512822']
I am so glad our club doesn't overseed. It's probably as much because of the cost as anything but I love not having to give up a month during the best weather of the year in October/November and then another month in the spring. Dormant Bermuda grass is an excellent playing surface, although this past winter was so mild there was a hint of green in it off and on all winter.
[/quote]I'm with you. I'm glad our courses don't over seed. I like the dormant look of bermuda and like when the greens get super fast in the winter time here in Louisiana. I like green speeds around 12-14

[TJCDAS]

Beats 6 month of snow cover--over seeding I wish I had it that good.

[golfingchuck]

[quote name='TJCDAS' timestamp='1345602224' post='5513424']
Beats 6 month of snow cover--over seeding I wish I had it that good.
[/quote]I get to play November-March. I love getting to play in 30-35 degree weather! Whole course to myself and it's not 110!

[WUGolfer3118]

Come to south-central Kansas. The rough is brown, the fairways are turning that way, and the greens are a sickly green. Granted it's not for overseeding, but at least yours will clear up in a few weeks. I have to leave to go do a rain dance now.

[Smash Factors]

Major rain storm in Vegas today. All those dried up courses just got soaked.

[Pepperturbo]

I don't know what all the complaining is about. Tight dry lies not only improves ball striking, it provides added run-out leaving the ball closer to the hole; presuming ball control is good enough to land the ball in the right spot.

That said, if someone is use to digging holes to china, IMO for a few reasons, their game is at a disadvantage.

[Fourmyle of Ceres]

I like those guys playing the Open Championship during the dry years (like the year they played at Hoylake). Same Tour players who throw beaver pelts with every swing back home hit down and through their shots, there's a puff of dust and afterward you'll need to get down on your hands and knees to see where their club even hit the ground.

Now that's hardcore golf, it'll separate the ball strikers from the hacks every time.

[Pepperturbo]

Yes - it will. Augusta plays tight and fast during The Masters; not so much the rest of the year.

[rufus mangler]

Raining here every afternoon.

[Smash Factors]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1345655396' post='5516290']
I don't know what all the complaining is about. Tight dry lies not only improves ball striking, it provides added run-out leaving the ball closer to the hole; presuming ball control is good enough to land the ball in the right spot.

That said, if someone is use to digging holes to china, IMO for a few reasons, their game is at a disadvantage.
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I completely disagree with that.

Nobody likes to play off hard-pan. Anything close to it is a disadvantage as it makes ball-striking difficult.

[Shipwreck]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1345657122' post='5516526']
Yes - it will. Augusta plays tight and fast during The Masters; not so much the rest of the year.
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I could care less if Augusta played a 6 on the stimp and had crab grass, I'd game the hell out of that course!

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='Steve Ryan' timestamp='1345670086' post='5517742']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1345655396' post='5516290']
I don't know what all the complaining is about. Tight dry lies not only improves ball striking, it provides added run-out leaving the ball closer to the hole; presuming ball control is good enough to land the ball in the right spot.

That said, if someone is use to digging holes to china, IMO for a few reasons, their game is at a disadvantage.
[/quote]

I completely disagree with that.

Nobody likes to play off hard-pan. Anything close to it is a disadvantage as it makes ball-striking difficult.
[/quote]

You're welcome to disagree. NON-over seeded turf is NOT hard pan, its just dried out turf, not lush green turf that tees up the ball and makes it easier. If that makes it difficult for you to hit the ball, that's a game limitation for you. I don't have that limitation, so its not a disadvantage to my ball-striking, and don't worry about it.

[Smash Factors]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1345674705' post='5518060']
[quote name='Steve Ryan' timestamp='1345670086' post='5517742']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1345655396' post='5516290']
I don't know what all the complaining is about. Tight dry lies not only improves ball striking, it provides added run-out leaving the ball closer to the hole; presuming ball control is good enough to land the ball in the right spot.

That said, if someone is use to digging holes to china, IMO for a few reasons, their game is at a disadvantage.
[/quote]

I completely disagree with that.

Nobody likes to play off hard-pan. Anything close to it is a disadvantage as it makes ball-striking difficult.
[/quote]

You're welcome to disagree. NON-over seeded turf is NOT hard pan, its just dried out turf, not lush green turf that tees up the ball and makes it easier. If that makes it difficult for you to hit the ball, that's a game limitation for you. I don't have that limitation, so its not a disadvantage to my ball-striking, and don't worry about it.
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It makes it difficult for everyone....including yourself.

[jdhallissey]

LOL You guys should see the look on peoples faces when I stripe a small bucket of balls off the concrete at the range. People think I am crazy but I have in tourney's played the ball from the path instead of taking the relief. I can stripe it off of any lie. Like Pepperturbo firm and fast bring it.

[Fourmyle of Ceres]

A lot depends on whether your swing counts on moving a 3/4" deep chunk of turf out the way to enable proper contact. A lot of hackers are fine as long as they can gouge some dirt aside to get under the ball, much less precision needed that way. Really good ball strikers put the club on the ball precisely, they want as clean and firm a lie as possible let them get all ball every time.

That's why good ball strikers can thrive on tight or bare lies and hackers tend to want a cushion under the ball. Surely we've all seen the guy who will roll his ball from the edge of the fairway into the first cut of rough to get it teed up...