USGA? Teen DQ'd from Sectional for going to the bathroom before turning in his scorecard

[HitEmTrue]

> @nsxguy said:

>

> Firstly, please note, it IS a "news article", not a trial. Articles seldom get everything and even more seldom get everything right.

>

 

And even though some here keep saying they want more information on what the kid was really doing, etc., it isn't going to happen. The reporters are done with the story and have moved on. They got a bunch of reads because the story seems controversial. Why would any reporter come back now and say "yeah, just to clarify..." and give more details that turn it into a non-story (meaning, not-controversial)?

 

[bladehunter]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @davep043 said:

> > > Someone earlier speculated that maybe the kid didn't realize that he was required to turn in his card after the first 18 holes. That almost makes the whole episode make sense, especially if this was his first 36-hole qualifier. Of course it was in the rules that he received, but quite possibly he didn't read all of those. So he's done with 18, figures he has a half-hour (just guessing, I don't know) until he tees off again, so he goes about his business. Its his free time, after all, he doesn't realize a need to tell anyone where he is, just show up on the tee on time for the continuation of play. When he gets back, he's astounded to be DQ. Its no excuse, he's required to understand the rules, but it makes a lot of this seem plausible to me.

> >

> > Yep. I could buy that too. Even allows for the possibility that he did have a headache and need to go potty. And explains why he didn’t say anything about it as polite folks don’t bother others with their ailments during a competitive round. See. The truth is always out there. Not nearly the heinous “ how can you be so rude “ scenario that some painted. Just a dumb 16 year old as expected.

> >

> > I’d love to see the official ask that question as obvious as it seems now to me , vs speculate that he “ went to lunch “ and had a face that “ nobody recognized “ and/or call for offsite officials to give statements. A lot of useless talk there in that article if this is the case. In other words the DQ makes sense if he truly messed up that bad. But as an official how do you not want or need to know why ? If nothing else to know you got the call correct. To make sure that it’s printed somewhere that cards are turned in after each round etc. ( yes I know this is the case ) I just mean that responsible official should want to know the story . I’m saying this As if I were the official.

> >

> > Makes total sense. Kid thought 36 holes total. Sigh for 1 score. I can see it. Makes the other parts fit.

>

> "How could he be so rude ?" is hardly "heinous". That said, had you stopped there,,,,,,,,,

>

> But you're right; "a LOT of useless talk". You should have quit while you were ahead. LOL

>

> Firstly, please note, it IS a "news article", not a trial. Articles seldom get everything and even more seldom get everything right.

>

> But, even though it IS only an article,,,,,,

>

> "Once Fox arrived at the scorer's table, the committee sought an explanation for what happened. Winter said there was **_no mention of a headache_**, and his 'no card' turned into a disqualification."

>

> "**_That would have changed the calculus of what this whole situation looked like significantly_**,"

>

>

 

I haven’t a clue what your point is ?

 

I agreed with Dave and then inserted my opinion for what would have been my wishes for proper action of the officials. Your quotes aren’t inaccurate But they are very far from the complete narrative from the officials. Shall we go around that bush , again ? Lol

[bladehunter]

> @HitEmTrue said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> >

> > Firstly, please note, it IS a "news article", not a trial. Articles seldom get everything and even more seldom get everything right.

> >

>

> And even though some here keep saying they want more information on what the kid was really doing, etc., it isn't going to happen. The reporters are done with the story and have moved on. They got a bunch of reads because the story seems controversial. Why would any reporter come back now and say "yeah, just to clarify..." and give more details that turn it into a non-story (meaning, not-controversial)?

>

 

 

Well to be fair. It would get more clicks. They already have all the first clicks. You can’t take them away. Now they could print a correction and gain some more. Will they ? No. Could they ? Sure. But I don’t recall anyone asking for that.

 

I was speaking to what the officials could have done to begin with. They could have had this info by the time the interviews were given. So the info would be correct to begin with. Purely hypothetical “ perfect world “ idea. No need to take it and turn it into another argument. But I’m eating lunch. So ..... lmao.

[GeorgeHWB]

I’m calling for a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of these facts. We should not rest until an investigation reveals what actually happened.

[North Texas]

> @"Mr. Hogan" said:

> I’m calling for a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of these facts. We should not rest until an investigation reveals what actually happened.

 

Good luck. We're all counting on you.

[Oliver Klozoff]

I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

 

But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

 

That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

[nsxguy]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @davep043 said:

> > > > Someone earlier speculated that maybe the kid didn't realize that he was required to turn in his card after the first 18 holes. That almost makes the whole episode make sense, especially if this was his first 36-hole qualifier. Of course it was in the rules that he received, but quite possibly he didn't read all of those. So he's done with 18, figures he has a half-hour (just guessing, I don't know) until he tees off again, so he goes about his business. Its his free time, after all, he doesn't realize a need to tell anyone where he is, just show up on the tee on time for the continuation of play. When he gets back, he's astounded to be DQ. Its no excuse, he's required to understand the rules, but it makes a lot of this seem plausible to me.

> > >

> > > Yep. I could buy that too. Even allows for the possibility that he did have a headache and need to go potty. And explains why he didn’t say anything about it as polite folks don’t bother others with their ailments during a competitive round. See. The truth is always out there. Not nearly the heinous “ how can you be so rude “ scenario that some painted. Just a dumb 16 year old as expected.

> > >

> > > I’d love to see the official ask that question as obvious as it seems now to me , vs speculate that he “ went to lunch “ and had a face that “ nobody recognized “ and/or call for offsite officials to give statements. A lot of useless talk there in that article if this is the case. In other words the DQ makes sense if he truly messed up that bad. But as an official how do you not want or need to know why ? If nothing else to know you got the call correct. To make sure that it’s printed somewhere that cards are turned in after each round etc. ( yes I know this is the case ) I just mean that responsible official should want to know the story . I’m saying this As if I were the official.

> > >

> > > Makes total sense. Kid thought 36 holes total. Sigh for 1 score. I can see it. Makes the other parts fit.

> >

> > "How could he be so rude ?" is hardly "heinous". That said, had you stopped there,,,,,,,,,

> >

> > But you're right; "a LOT of useless talk". You should have quit while you were ahead. LOL

> >

> > Firstly, please note, it IS a "news article", not a trial. Articles seldom get everything and even more seldom get everything right.

> >

> > But, even though it IS only an article,,,,,,

> >

> > "Once Fox arrived at the scorer's table, the committee sought an explanation for what happened. Winter said there was **_no mention of a headache_**, and his 'no card' turned into a disqualification."

> >

> > "**_That would have changed the calculus of what this whole situation looked like significantly_**,"

> >

> >

>

> I haven’t a clue what your point is ?

 

I know.

[sui generis]

> @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

>

> But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

>

> That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

 

Are you speaking as the USGA Committee member in attendance at this qualifier?

[bladehunter]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @davep043 said:

> > > > > Someone earlier speculated that maybe the kid didn't realize that he was required to turn in his card after the first 18 holes. That almost makes the whole episode make sense, especially if this was his first 36-hole qualifier. Of course it was in the rules that he received, but quite possibly he didn't read all of those. So he's done with 18, figures he has a half-hour (just guessing, I don't know) until he tees off again, so he goes about his business. Its his free time, after all, he doesn't realize a need to tell anyone where he is, just show up on the tee on time for the continuation of play. When he gets back, he's astounded to be DQ. Its no excuse, he's required to understand the rules, but it makes a lot of this seem plausible to me.

> > > >

> > > > Yep. I could buy that too. Even allows for the possibility that he did have a headache and need to go potty. And explains why he didn’t say anything about it as polite folks don’t bother others with their ailments during a competitive round. See. The truth is always out there. Not nearly the heinous “ how can you be so rude “ scenario that some painted. Just a dumb 16 year old as expected.

> > > >

> > > > I’d love to see the official ask that question as obvious as it seems now to me , vs speculate that he “ went to lunch “ and had a face that “ nobody recognized “ and/or call for offsite officials to give statements. A lot of useless talk there in that article if this is the case. In other words the DQ makes sense if he truly messed up that bad. But as an official how do you not want or need to know why ? If nothing else to know you got the call correct. To make sure that it’s printed somewhere that cards are turned in after each round etc. ( yes I know this is the case ) I just mean that responsible official should want to know the story . I’m saying this As if I were the official.

> > > >

> > > > Makes total sense. Kid thought 36 holes total. Sigh for 1 score. I can see it. Makes the other parts fit.

> > >

> > > "How could he be so rude ?" is hardly "heinous". That said, had you stopped there,,,,,,,,,

> > >

> > > But you're right; "a LOT of useless talk". You should have quit while you were ahead. LOL

> > >

> > > Firstly, please note, it IS a "news article", not a trial. Articles seldom get everything and even more seldom get everything right.

> > >

> > > But, even though it IS only an article,,,,,,

> > >

> > > "Once Fox arrived at the scorer's table, the committee sought an explanation for what happened. Winter said there was **_no mention of a headache_**, and his 'no card' turned into a disqualification."

> > >

> > > "**_That would have changed the calculus of what this whole situation looked like significantly_**,"

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I haven’t a clue what your point is ?

>

> I know.

 

Lol. Well. You know what they say. Don’t blame the student. Blame the teacher.

[nsxguy]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @davep043 said:

> > > > > > Someone earlier speculated that maybe the kid didn't realize that he was required to turn in his card after the first 18 holes. That almost makes the whole episode make sense, especially if this was his first 36-hole qualifier. Of course it was in the rules that he received, but quite possibly he didn't read all of those. So he's done with 18, figures he has a half-hour (just guessing, I don't know) until he tees off again, so he goes about his business. Its his free time, after all, he doesn't realize a need to tell anyone where he is, just show up on the tee on time for the continuation of play. When he gets back, he's astounded to be DQ. Its no excuse, he's required to understand the rules, but it makes a lot of this seem plausible to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yep. I could buy that too. Even allows for the possibility that he did have a headache and need to go potty. And explains why he didn’t say anything about it as polite folks don’t bother others with their ailments during a competitive round. See. The truth is always out there. Not nearly the heinous “ how can you be so rude “ scenario that some painted. Just a dumb 16 year old as expected.

> > > > >

> > > > > I’d love to see the official ask that question as obvious as it seems now to me , vs speculate that he “ went to lunch “ and had a face that “ nobody recognized “ and/or call for offsite officials to give statements. A lot of useless talk there in that article if this is the case. In other words the DQ makes sense if he truly messed up that bad. But as an official how do you not want or need to know why ? If nothing else to know you got the call correct. To make sure that it’s printed somewhere that cards are turned in after each round etc. ( yes I know this is the case ) I just mean that responsible official should want to know the story . I’m saying this As if I were the official.

> > > > >

> > > > > Makes total sense. Kid thought 36 holes total. Sigh for 1 score. I can see it. Makes the other parts fit.

> > > >

> > > > "How could he be so rude ?" is hardly "heinous". That said, had you stopped there,,,,,,,,,

> > > >

> > > > But you're right; "a LOT of useless talk". You should have quit while you were ahead. LOL

> > > >

> > > > Firstly, please note, it IS a "news article", not a trial. Articles seldom get everything and even more seldom get everything right.

> > > >

> > > > But, even though it IS only an article,,,,,,

> > > >

> > > > "Once Fox arrived at the scorer's table, the committee sought an explanation for what happened. Winter said there was **_no mention of a headache_**, and his 'no card' turned into a disqualification."

> > > >

> > > > "**_That would have changed the calculus of what this whole situation looked like significantly_**,"

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I haven’t a clue what your point is ?

> >

> > I know.

>

> Lol. Well. You know what they say. Don’t blame the student. Blame the teacher.

 

Not when the "student" had A.D.D.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > @davep043 said:

> > > > > > > Someone earlier speculated that maybe the kid didn't realize that he was required to turn in his card after the first 18 holes. That almost makes the whole episode make sense, especially if this was his first 36-hole qualifier. Of course it was in the rules that he received, but quite possibly he didn't read all of those. So he's done with 18, figures he has a half-hour (just guessing, I don't know) until he tees off again, so he goes about his business. Its his free time, after all, he doesn't realize a need to tell anyone where he is, just show up on the tee on time for the continuation of play. When he gets back, he's astounded to be DQ. Its no excuse, he's required to understand the rules, but it makes a lot of this seem plausible to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yep. I could buy that too. Even allows for the possibility that he did have a headache and need to go potty. And explains why he didn’t say anything about it as polite folks don’t bother others with their ailments during a competitive round. See. The truth is always out there. Not nearly the heinous “ how can you be so rude “ scenario that some painted. Just a dumb 16 year old as expected.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I’d love to see the official ask that question as obvious as it seems now to me , vs speculate that he “ went to lunch “ and had a face that “ nobody recognized “ and/or call for offsite officials to give statements. A lot of useless talk there in that article if this is the case. In other words the DQ makes sense if he truly messed up that bad. But as an official how do you not want or need to know why ? If nothing else to know you got the call correct. To make sure that it’s printed somewhere that cards are turned in after each round etc. ( yes I know this is the case ) I just mean that responsible official should want to know the story . I’m saying this As if I were the official.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Makes total sense. Kid thought 36 holes total. Sigh for 1 score. I can see it. Makes the other parts fit.

> > > > >

> > > > > "How could he be so rude ?" is hardly "heinous". That said, had you stopped there,,,,,,,,,

> > > > >

> > > > > But you're right; "a LOT of useless talk". You should have quit while you were ahead. LOL

> > > > >

> > > > > Firstly, please note, it IS a "news article", not a trial. Articles seldom get everything and even more seldom get everything right.

> > > > >

> > > > > But, even though it IS only an article,,,,,,

> > > > >

> > > > > "Once Fox arrived at the scorer's table, the committee sought an explanation for what happened. Winter said there was **_no mention of a headache_**, and his 'no card' turned into a disqualification."

> > > > >

> > > > > "**_That would have changed the calculus of what this whole situation looked like significantly_**,"

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I haven’t a clue what your point is ?

> > >

> > > I know.

> >

> > Lol. Well. You know what they say. Don’t blame the student. Blame the teacher.

>

> Not when the "student" had A.D.D.

Alright, maybe just stop? Couldn’t be less cool here, man. Knock it.

 

[Vindog]

> @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

>

> But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

>

> That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

 

Quite possibly you might be right, I have no idea. But there's no sense in reacting to something that didn't happen, or maybe would have been.

[Oliver Klozoff]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

> >

> > But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

> >

> > That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

>

> Are you speaking as the USGA Committee member in attendance at this qualifier?

 

I know the USGA Committee member that was in attendance. He's a good guy. But I'm speaking as someone that has played in many, many MAGA events. They treat players differently depending on how well they know the player. And that includes regular scratch amateur golfers like myself, not just the tour guys. They know me. No way I'd get a penalty for anything like that. They'd give me the benefit of the doubt from 30+ years of playing their events. I'm not sure this kid got the benefit of the doubt.

[Dr. Bombay]

Bet this kid never makes that mistake again.

[sui generis]

> @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

> > >

> > > But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

> > >

> > > That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

> >

> > Are you speaking as the USGA Committee member in attendance at this qualifier?

>

> I know the USGA Committee member that was in attendance. He's a good guy. But I'm speaking as someone that has played in many, many MAGA events. They treat players differently depending on how well they know the player. And that includes regular scratch amateur golfers like myself, not just the tour guys. They know me. No way I'd get a penalty for anything like that. They'd give me the benefit of the doubt from 30+ years of playing their events. I'm not sure this kid got the benefit of the doubt.

 

Give him a call. I'd be surprised if he would confirm your dark suspicions.

[bladehunter]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > > I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

> > > >

> > > > But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

> > > >

> > > > That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

> > >

> > > Are you speaking as the USGA Committee member in attendance at this qualifier?

> >

> > I know the USGA Committee member that was in attendance. He's a good guy. But I'm speaking as someone that has played in many, many MAGA events. They treat players differently depending on how well they know the player. And that includes regular scratch amateur golfers like myself, not just the tour guys. They know me. No way I'd get a penalty for anything like that. They'd give me the benefit of the doubt from 30+ years of playing their events. I'm not sure this kid got the benefit of the doubt.

>

> Give him a call. I'd be surprised if he would confirm your dark suspicions.

 

I’m possible to do after the fact. Of course he wouldn’t now. Too much heat.

[Birdie Mac]

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> Bet this kid never makes that mistake again.

Correct. No better time to learn about life and all its intricacies than when you're 16. Hopefully some other kids picked up on this as well.

 

[sui generis]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > > > I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

> > > > >

> > > > > But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

> > > > >

> > > > > That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

> > > >

> > > > Are you speaking as the USGA Committee member in attendance at this qualifier?

> > >

> > > I know the USGA Committee member that was in attendance. He's a good guy. But I'm speaking as someone that has played in many, many MAGA events. They treat players differently depending on how well they know the player. And that includes regular scratch amateur golfers like myself, not just the tour guys. They know me. No way I'd get a penalty for anything like that. They'd give me the benefit of the doubt from 30+ years of playing their events. I'm not sure this kid got the benefit of the doubt.

> >

> > Give him a call. I'd be surprised if he would confirm your dark suspicions.

>

> I’m possible to do after the fact. Of course he wouldn’t now. Too much heat.

 

Oliver seems to be aware of a culture of corruption in MAGA. He also implies that he'd be a beneficiary of that, too. One of the reasons a USGA Committee member is in attendance at things like USGA Qualifiers is to prevent things like this alleged MAGA mischief.

[Dr. Bombay]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > > > > I don't know if it mattered here, but the MAGA are sticklers when it comes to the rules. Maybe the kid messed up (likely). Maybe the MAGA messed up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I can tell you with 100% certainty that if Billy Hurley or Denny McCarthy did this nothing would have happened. They could have come back 20 minutes later and signed their cards. Nothing against those guys at all. They are both great players and do a lot for Maryland junior golf. But the MAGA has a love-fest with those guys.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That to me is the issue. The 16 year old wasn't treated the same as the MAGA "dignitaries" would have been.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you speaking as the USGA Committee member in attendance at this qualifier?

> > > >

> > > > I know the USGA Committee member that was in attendance. He's a good guy. But I'm speaking as someone that has played in many, many MAGA events. They treat players differently depending on how well they know the player. And that includes regular scratch amateur golfers like myself, not just the tour guys. They know me. No way I'd get a penalty for anything like that. They'd give me the benefit of the doubt from 30+ years of playing their events. I'm not sure this kid got the benefit of the doubt.

> > >

> > > Give him a call. I'd be surprised if he would confirm your dark suspicions.

> >

> > I’m possible to do after the fact. Of course he wouldn’t now. Too much heat.

>

> Oliver seems to be aware of a culture of corruption in MAGA. He also implies that he'd be a beneficiary of that, too. One of the reasons a USGA Committee member is in attendance at things like USGA Qualifiers is to prevent things like this alleged MAGA mischief.

 

If a USGA Committee Member was in attendance it would be the exception, a huge exception. There are only 15 of them and I've never seen one turn up at any qualifier ever.

[sui generis]

The USGA has many committees. There is likely to be a member of one of their committees at every qualifier.

[Dr. Bombay]

> @"sui generis" said:

> The USGA has many committees. There is likely to be a member of one of their committees at every qualifier.

 

Absolutely NFW a "USGA committee member (is) at every qualifier"....that's crazy talk.

 

[sui generis]

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > The USGA has many committees. There is likely to be a member of one of their committees at every qualifier.

>

> Absolutely NFW a "USGA committee member (is) at every qualifier"....that's crazy talk.

>

 

How many USGA qualifiers have you served as a referee? I've done dozens over the years and I assure you there's a member of one of the many USGA committees at every one I've worked.

[Dr. Bombay]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > The USGA has many committees. There is likely to be a member of one of their committees at every qualifier.

> >

> > Absolutely NFW a "USGA committee member (is) at every qualifier"....that's crazy talk.

> >

>

> How many USGA qualifiers have you served as a referee? I've done dozens over the years and I assure you there's a member of one of the many USGA committees at every one I've worked.

I don't believe you.

 

 

[sui generis]

> @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > > @"Dr. Bombay" said:

> > > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > The USGA has many committees. There is likely to be a member of one of their committees at every qualifier.

> > >

> > > Absolutely NFW a "USGA committee member (is) at every qualifier"....that's crazy talk.

> > >

> >

> > How many USGA qualifiers have you served as a referee? I've done dozens over the years and I assure you there's a member of one of the many USGA committees at every one I've worked.

> I don't believe you.

>

>

 

I'm crushed.

[sekrah]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @"oz dee cee" said:

> > 15 minutes? It’s over a losy 15 minutes? Pros can’t finish a round in 5 1/2hours.

>

> According to reports he disappeared, pros go straight to the scoring area when they finish at 18 and the time the round takes is completely irrelevant.

>

> Possibly he considered not playing the second round after posting a poor first round and went AWOL. Then he was talked into submitting card so he could play the second 18. Why disappear without informing anyone if there was a genuine need to go away?

>

> This whole incident doesn't pass the smell test for me.

 

**I was there. I saw the entire thing.** Kid got pissy pants because he knew he wasn't going to qualify and was ready to bail home. Dad fetched the spoiled brat and convinced him play out his second round. Concocted the BS migraine story afterwards. If your migraines are that much of an issue, why would you not already have medicine on you or send someone to go fetch the medicine during the round.

 

it's all BS. Kid deserved his DQ for being a snot.

 

Mods, you can close this thread now that I've resolved it.

 

[bladehunter]

Lol. Finally. An eye witness account. ^

[ScottyGilbert]

> @"Ashley Schaeffer" said:

> > @davep043 said:

> > > @jdl said:

> > > > @davep043 said:

> > > > Someone earlier speculated that maybe the kid didn't realize that he was required to turn in his card after the first 18 holes. That almost makes the whole episode make sense, especially if this was his first 36-hole qualifier. Of course it was in the rules that he received, but quite possibly he didn't read all of those. So he's done with 18, figures he has a half-hour (just guessing, I don't know) until he tees off again, so he goes about his business. Its his free time, after all, he doesn't realize a need to tell anyone where he is, just show up on the tee on time for the continuation of play. When he gets back, he's astounded to be DQ. Its no excuse, he's required to understand the rules, but it makes a lot of this seem plausible to me.

> > >

> > > And then he's so embarrassed he invents the story about the migraines and meds?

> >

> > I don't know, maybe he did have a headache (that's what the original article said, we've assumed it may have been a migraine). Maybe he did indeed get a bite to eat, maybe he did need an emergency bathroom break, all of it seems to be reasonable, once you accept my pure guess that he didn't realize he was required to turn in his scorecard after 18.

>

> It definitely makes the whole "checked out the leaderboard" line in the article make a lot more sense. Although, I don't know how he thought he could determine how he stacked up without turning in a card. Anyway, I'm just envisioning the scene and thinking how I could totally see myself at 16 taking some time by myself to regroup and making this same mistake. > @bladehunter said:

> > > @davep043 said:

> > > Someone earlier speculated that maybe the kid didn't realize that he was required to turn in his card after the first 18 holes. That almost makes the whole episode make sense, especially if this was his first 36-hole qualifier. Of course it was in the rules that he received, but quite possibly he didn't read all of those. So he's done with 18, figures he has a half-hour (just guessing, I don't know) until he tees off again, so he goes about his business. Its his free time, after all, he doesn't realize a need to tell anyone where he is, just show up on the tee on time for the continuation of play. When he gets back, he's astounded to be DQ. Its no excuse, he's required to understand the rules, but it makes a lot of this seem plausible to me.

> >

> > Yep. I could buy that too. Even allows for the possibility that he did have a headache and need to go potty. And explains why he didn’t say anything about it as polite folks don’t bother others with their ailments during a competitive round. See. The truth is always out there. Not nearly the heinous “ how can you be so rude “ scenario that some painted. Just a dumb 16 year old as expected.

> >

> > I’d love to see the official ask that question as obvious as it seems now to me , vs speculate that he “ went to lunch “ and had a face that “ nobody recognized “ and/or call for offsite officials to give statements. A lot of useless talk there in that article if this is the case. In other words the DQ makes sense if he truly messed up that bad. But as an official how do you not want or need to know why ? If nothing else to know you got the call correct. To make sure that it’s printed somewhere that cards are turned in after each round etc. ( yes I know this is the case ) I just mean that responsible official should want to know the story . I’m saying this As if I were the official.

> >

> >** Makes total sense. Kid thought 36 holes total. Sigh for 1 score. I can see it. Makes the other parts fit. **

>

> Definitley makes the other parts fit. For sure.

 

Surely if he has his own card in his hand then he can see whenre he stood in comparison to the others?