Cameron Tour Rats, Super Rats and 009

[Matt_Matasy]

So I've been wondering if there's a difference between the Rats and the 009 style of Scottys. The head styles look very similar, but is there weight, design, material differences? I've always been curious on this subject. Comments are greatly appreciated!

[Medson]

In term of head shape, tour rat and super rat are identical of 009.

Rats have weights, 009 don't in 99% case.

Rats are stainless, 009 started with carbon only, then added stainless later.

Rats are all engraved, 009 are all hand stamped.

[trying2scratch]

There is some good info and pictures in this thread:

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/474060-scotty-cameron-009-vs-newport/"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/474060-scotty-cameron-009-vs-newport/[/url]

[Yanki01]

the rats are more user custom since you can change the weights easily whereas the 009 you cannot.

[magpies69]

is there a difference in terms of feel? e.g gss vs 009? or tour rat w gss inserts vs 009?

[10yardslonger]

[quote name='Medson' timestamp='1448038081' post='12624318']
In term of head shape, tour rat and super rat are identical of 009.

Rats have weights, 009 don't in 99% case.

Rats are stainless, 009 started with carbon only, then added stainless later.

Rats are all engraved, 009 are all hand stamped.
[/quote]

pretty much bang on... well said

[atltl]

If you get a Rat, you will be able to somewhat customize with weights to your feel. If you pluck down the $$ for a 009, you get what you get and theres no going back unless you're a tour pro which since you're here asking......

[T-MAC]

[quote name='magpies69' timestamp='1448055236' post='12625410']
is there a difference in terms of feel? e.g gss vs 009? or tour rat w gss inserts vs 009?
[/quote]

"Feel" is different for everybody. You just have to roll them all yourself and see what your hands/brain come up with as far as "feel" is concerned.
Personally, I think the Scotty's that have a GSS insert, like the Studio Style's and Super Rats, are some of the firmest/hardest feeling putters Cameron makes. The Rats that are deep milled tend to feel a little softer, but that is different for everybody as well. A lot of people equate (in their brain) the lower pitched "thud" that they hear off a deep milled putter face, as "soft". To me, the sound equates to "dead", so my distance control suffers big time with deep milling.
To me, a solid GSS head feels softer than a SS head with a GSS insert (especially with standard depth milling).
A carbon head 009 feels softer to me than a SS or GSS 009.
One thing I will stress however is, when testing different putters make sure you use the same type of golf ball. Makes all the difference in the world.
If you're rolling a Pinnacle, even a carbon head will feel firm. On the other hand, if you go to another shop and roll a Wilson DUO or a Callaway Chrome Soft, they will make the firmest putters feel like butter.

As far as weight is concerned, you can find 009's in 330, 340, and 350 gram heads. You just need to know what your favorite playing weight is and buy it.
It's nice to be able to change the weights in a Rat, but usually once people know what their favorite weight is, they buy the appropriate weights needed to get them there, install them, and never change touch them again.

[magpies69]

[quote name='T-MAC' timestamp='1448125159' post='12628058']
[quote name='magpies69' timestamp='1448055236' post='12625410']
is there a difference in terms of feel? e.g gss vs 009? or tour rat w gss inserts vs 009?
[/quote]

"Feel" is different for everybody. You just have to roll them all yourself and see what your hands/brain come up with as far as "feel" is concerned.
Personally, I think the Scotty's that have a GSS insert, like the Studio Style's and Super Rats, are some of the firmest/hardest feeling putters Cameron makes. The Rats that are deep milled tend to feel a little softer, but that is different for everybody as well. A lot of people equate (in their brain) the lower pitched "thud" that they hear off a deep milled putter face, as "soft". To me, the sound equates to "dead", so my distance control suffers big time with deep milling.
To me, a solid GSS head feels softer than a SS head with a GSS insert (especially with standard depth milling).
A carbon head 009 feels softer to me than a SS or GSS 009.
One thing I will stress however is, when testing different putters make sure you use the same type of golf ball. Makes all the difference in the world.
If you're rolling a Pinnacle, even a carbon head will feel firm. On the other hand, if you go to another shop and roll a Wilson DUO or a Callaway Chrome Soft, they will make the firmest putters feel like butter.

As far as weight is concerned, you can find 009's in 330, 340, and 350 gram heads. You just need to know what your favorite playing weight is and buy it.
It's nice to be able to change the weights in a Rat, but usually once people know what their favorite weight is, they buy the appropriate weights needed to get them there, install them, and never change touch them again.
[/quote]

Cheers buddy. I would like to try a 009 one day. I usually prefer a 360g head weight but i doubt there is any 009 that are 360g. Will probably settle for a 350g. I know that 009 comes with carbon and SSS. I didn't know that they release it in gss?

[T-MAC]

[quote name='magpies69' timestamp='1448135217' post='12628536']
[quote name='T-MAC' timestamp='1448125159' post='12628058']
[quote name='magpies69' timestamp='1448055236' post='12625410']
is there a difference in terms of feel? e.g gss vs 009? or tour rat w gss inserts vs 009?
[/quote]

"Feel" is different for everybody. You just have to roll them all yourself and see what your hands/brain come up with as far as "feel" is concerned.
Personally, I think the Scotty's that have a GSS insert, like the Studio Style's and Super Rats, are some of the firmest/hardest feeling putters Cameron makes. The Rats that are deep milled tend to feel a little softer, but that is different for everybody as well. A lot of people equate (in their brain) the lower pitched "thud" that they hear off a deep milled putter face, as "soft". To me, the sound equates to "dead", so my distance control suffers big time with deep milling.
To me, a solid GSS head feels softer than a SS head with a GSS insert (especially with standard depth milling).
A carbon head 009 feels softer to me than a SS or GSS 009.
One thing I will stress however is, when testing different putters make sure you use the same type of golf ball. Makes all the difference in the world.
If you're rolling a Pinnacle, even a carbon head will feel firm. On the other hand, if you go to another shop and roll a Wilson DUO or a Callaway Chrome Soft, they will make the firmest putters feel like butter.

As far as weight is concerned, you can find 009's in 330, 340, and 350 gram heads. You just need to know what your favorite playing weight is and buy it.
It's nice to be able to change the weights in a Rat, but usually once people know what their favorite weight is, they buy the appropriate weights needed to get them there, install them, and never change touch them again.
[/quote]

Cheers buddy. I would like to try a 009 one day. I usually prefer a 360g head weight but i doubt there is any 009 that are 360g. Will probably settle for a 350g. I know that 009 comes with carbon and SSS. I didn't know that they release it in gss?
[/quote]

GSS 009's are out there.
Hey, if you have an extra 7500.00-8500.00 laying around that you don't know what to do with you may as well grab one!

[magpies69]

[quote name='T-MAC' timestamp='1448147172' post='12629142']
[quote name='magpies69' timestamp='1448135217' post='12628536']
[quote name='T-MAC' timestamp='1448125159' post='12628058']
[quote name='magpies69' timestamp='1448055236' post='12625410']
is there a difference in terms of feel? e.g gss vs 009? or tour rat w gss inserts vs 009?
[/quote]

"Feel" is different for everybody. You just have to roll them all yourself and see what your hands/brain come up with as far as "feel" is concerned.
Personally, I think the Scotty's that have a GSS insert, like the Studio Style's and Super Rats, are some of the firmest/hardest feeling putters Cameron makes. The Rats that are deep milled tend to feel a little softer, but that is different for everybody as well. A lot of people equate (in their brain) the lower pitched "thud" that they hear off a deep milled putter face, as "soft". To me, the sound equates to "dead", so my distance control suffers big time with deep milling.
To me, a solid GSS head feels softer than a SS head with a GSS insert (especially with standard depth milling).
A carbon head 009 feels softer to me than a SS or GSS 009.
One thing I will stress however is, when testing different putters make sure you use the same type of golf ball. Makes all the difference in the world.
If you're rolling a Pinnacle, even a carbon head will feel firm. On the other hand, if you go to another shop and roll a Wilson DUO or a Callaway Chrome Soft, they will make the firmest putters feel like butter.

As far as weight is concerned, you can find 009's in 330, 340, and 350 gram heads. You just need to know what your favorite playing weight is and buy it.
It's nice to be able to change the weights in a Rat, but usually once people know what their favorite weight is, they buy the appropriate weights needed to get them there, install them, and never change touch them again.
[/quote]

Cheers buddy. I would like to try a 009 one day. I usually prefer a 360g head weight but i doubt there is any 009 that are 360g. Will probably settle for a 350g. I know that 009 comes with carbon and SSS. I didn't know that they release it in gss?
[/quote]

GSS 009's are out there.
Hey, if you have an extra 7500.00-8500.00 laying around that you don't know what to do with you may as well grab one!
[/quote]

Haha. Yeah but i'm actually very satisfied with my current putter. I don't think a 009 will perform any better. Maybe just for collection sake.

[jcg132]

Bump. What is the difference between the "regular" Rat and the Super Rat?

[Yanki01]

Bump. What is the difference between the "regular" Rat and the Super Rat?

 

non-gss insert/no insert vs gss insert

[TPDawnPatrol]

is there a difference in terms of feel? e.g gss vs 009? or tour rat w gss inserts vs 009?

 

"Feel" is different for everybody. You just have to roll them all yourself and see what your hands/brain come up with as far as "feel" is concerned.

Personally, I think the Scotty's that have a GSS insert, like the Studio Style's and Super Rats, are some of the firmest/hardest feeling putters Cameron makes. The Rats that are deep milled tend to feel a little softer, but that is different for everybody as well. A lot of people equate (in their brain) the lower pitched "thud" that they hear off a deep milled putter face, as "soft". To me, the sound equates to "dead", so my distance control suffers big time with deep milling.

To me, a solid GSS head feels softer than a SS head with a GSS insert (especially with standard depth milling).

A carbon head 009 feels softer to me than a SS or GSS 009.

One thing I will stress however is, when testing different putters make sure you use the same type of golf ball. Makes all the difference in the world.

If you're rolling a Pinnacle, even a carbon head will feel firm. On the other hand, if you go to another shop and roll a Wilson DUO or a Callaway Chrome Soft, they will make the firmest putters feel like butter.

 

As far as weight is concerned, you can find 009's in 330, 340, and 350 gram heads. You just need to know what your favorite playing weight is and buy it.

It's nice to be able to change the weights in a Rat, but usually once people know what their favorite weight is, they buy the appropriate weights needed to get them there, install them, and never change touch them again.

 

Interesting take on the Scotty putters with GSS inserts having the firmest feel. I recall the first Studio Style I tried had the mushiest feel I'd ever experienced.

[lowheel]

In term of head shape, tour rat and super rat are identical of 009.

 

Rats have weights, 009 don't in 99% case.

 

Rats are stainless, 009 started with carbon only, then added stainless later.

 

Rats are all engraved, 009 are all hand stamped.

 

This post should be pinned for perfect & brief descriptions.Awesome stuff

[brent]

Scotty is making 009 Rats with weights now. I have one. Masterful 009. One sweet putter. The milling is something else.

[Medson]

Thank you. :)

 

In term of head shape, tour rat and super rat are identical of 009.

 

Rats have weights, 009 don't in 99% case.

 

Rats are stainless, 009 started with carbon only, then added stainless later.

 

Rats are all engraved, 009 are all hand stamped.

 

This post should be pinned for perfect & brief descriptions.Awesome stuff

[jcg132]

Does anyone know the difference between the concept 1 and concept 2 rats? Is is similar to the newport / newport 2 differences? Thanks.

[goje22]

Exact same thing. ^^^

[phelps22]

is there a difference in terms of feel? e.g gss vs 009? or tour rat w gss inserts vs 009?

 

"Feel" is different for everybody. You just have to roll them all yourself and see what your hands/brain come up with as far as "feel" is concerned.

Personally, I think the Scotty's that have a GSS insert, like the Studio Style's and Super Rats, are some of the firmest/hardest feeling putters Cameron makes. The Rats that are deep milled tend to feel a little softer, but that is different for everybody as well. A lot of people equate (in their brain) the lower pitched "thud" that they hear off a deep milled putter face, as "soft". To me, the sound equates to "dead", so my distance control suffers big time with deep milling.

To me, a solid GSS head feels softer than a SS head with a GSS insert (especially with standard depth milling).

A carbon head 009 feels softer to me than a SS or GSS 009.

One thing I will stress however is, when testing different putters make sure you use the same type of golf ball. Makes all the difference in the world.

If you're rolling a Pinnacle, even a carbon head will feel firm. On the other hand, if you go to another shop and roll a Wilson DUO or a Callaway Chrome Soft, they will make the firmest putters feel like butter.

 

As far as weight is concerned, you can find 009's in 330, 340, and 350 gram heads. You just need to know what your favorite playing weight is and buy it.

It's nice to be able to change the weights in a Rat, but usually once people know what their favorite weight is, they buy the appropriate weights needed to get them there, install them, and never change touch them again.

 

Cheers buddy. I would like to try a 009 one day. I usually prefer a 360g head weight but i doubt there is any 009 that are 360g. Will probably settle for a 350g. I know that 009 comes with carbon and SSS. I didn't know that they release it in gss?

 

If you want 360 grams then go with the tour rat with 20 gram weights. Same head as the 009 but the 20 gram weights will get you to 360 gram headweight.

[dave w]

On 8/26/2016 at 5:59 PM, jcg132 said:

Does anyone know the difference between the concept 1 and concept 2 rats? Is is similar to the newport / newport 2 differences? Thanks.

Yes exactly 

[Phabs]

1 hour ago, dave w said:

Yes exactly 

Think he figured that out 7 years back 

[dave w]

the forum replies also helps others looking to gain and share knowledge in the future

[Medson]

On 11/20/2015 at 3:48 AM, Medson said:

In term of head shape, tour rat and super rat are identical of 009.

Rats have weights, 009 don't in 99% case.

Rats are stainless, 009 started with carbon only, then added stainless later.

Rats are all engraved, 009 are all hand stamped.

My knowledge on Scotty peaked in 2015. I’ve no idea what Scotty produces nowadays.