Effective Immediately, Rules Change to Limit Video Review

[bladehunter]

No, they are not cheats. They are tasked with placing ball exactly where it previously lay after marking it and replacing it 20-odd times each round week after week. It is an virtual certainty that someone who has marked and replaced the ball 1,000 times has replaced it in a different spot numerous times. It is also extremely likely that through inattention or carelessness, each of them has replaced a ball more than a tiny fraction of an inch away from its original spot. At least a good many of them will have (without meaning to and un-noticed by themselves or anyone else) replaced a ball as much as half and inch or a full inch away from its original spot.

 

That makes them human, not cheats. And of course a good many of them are cheats.

 

He stated that they incorrectly replaced their ball, i.e. they didn't follow the rule. If that's the case, then they cheated. He didn't say they didn't replace their ball in exactly the same spot.

 

 

So to be clear. You are now joining the " Lexi is a cheat " klan ?

 

No, she accepted the penalty. If you improperly replace the ball, and don't call a penalty on yourself, or don't accept a penalty when you are caught by an official, then you are cheating.

 

Seriously, what would you call a player that intentionally misplaces their ball in violation of the rules?

 

 

 

she did not intentionally misplace it.... Geezuz.... your bias is showing badly....

[Argonne69]

Do I understand the situation correctly that by "accepting" she was able to continue playing the tournament with a four-stroke penalty and by declining to "accept" she would be deemed as withdrawing from the tournament?

 

If so all she did was choose to try and win in spite of the penalty. That is hardly indicative of her actual belief about what happened. Totally coerced.

 

If she actually believed that she did not commit the infraction, then why accept the penalty and continue? If one feels they are innocent, don't admit guilt.

 

Because "not admitting guilt" would mean walking away and taking a WD in a major championship you are leading. That's a hell of a price to pay to make a point. And as is clear from this thread, nothing she "accepts" or not would have any effect on what people actually believe. Talk about your expensive empty gestures, yikes!

 

Yes, a high price, but probably worth it. I was taught to take the high road if I believed I was right, regardless of the consequences. I'm sure she'd have even more fans if she said, "Screw you. I did nothing wrong."

[gioguy21]

No, they are not cheats. They are tasked with placing ball exactly where it previously lay after marking it and replacing it 20-odd times each round week after week. It is an virtual certainty that someone who has marked and replaced the ball 1,000 times has replaced it in a different spot numerous times. It is also extremely likely that through inattention or carelessness, each of them has replaced a ball more than a tiny fraction of an inch away from its original spot. At least a good many of them will have (without meaning to and un-noticed by themselves or anyone else) replaced a ball as much as half and inch or a full inch away from its original spot.

 

That makes them human, not cheats. And of course a good many of them are cheats.

 

He stated that they incorrectly replaced their ball, i.e. they didn't follow the rule. If that's the case, then they cheated. He didn't say they didn't replace their ball in exactly the same spot.

 

 

So to be clear. You are now joining the " Lexi is a cheat " klan ?

 

No, she accepted the penalty. If you improperly replace the ball, and don't call a penalty on yourself, or don't accept a penalty when you are caught by an official, then you are cheating.

 

Seriously, what would you call a player that intentionally misplaces their ball in violation of the rules?

 

 

 

she did not intentionally misplace it.... Geezuz.... your bias is showing badly....

 

round and round we go lol

[heavy_hitter]

The whole thing is a matter of opinion.

 

 

Apparently Lexi is of the opinion that she misplaced the ball, as she accepted the penalty.

 

Did she have a choice?

 

Why yes she did. She could have done what Chella Choi did when presented with similar evidence, withdraw from the tournament without accepting the penalty.

 

You have said a lot of silly things in this thread, this tops them all.

[Argonne69]

 

No, she accepted the penalty. If you improperly replace the ball, and don't call a penalty on yourself, or don't accept a penalty when you are caught by an official, then you are cheating.

 

Seriously, what would you call a player that intentionally misplaces their ball in violation of the rules?

 

she did not intentionally misplace it.... Geezuz.... your bias is showing badly....

 

Sigh. That was in reference to *every* other PGA/LPGA player that incorrectly replaced their ball, as noted by heavy_hitter.

[gioguy21]

The whole thing is a matter of opinion.

 

 

Apparently Lexi is of the opinion that she misplaced the ball, as she accepted the penalty.

 

Did she have a choice?

 

Why yes she did. She could have done what Chella Choi did when presented with similar evidence, withdraw from the tournament without accepting the penalty.

 

You have said a lot of silly things in this thread, this tops them all.

yea i mean, just walk off the back 9 in the final round of a major. easy choice right?

[Shilgy]

If she was hurrying up to get out of the way, she would have just gone ahead and putted out.

 

The naked eye rule means that if someone was standing there looking at the ball with their naked eye, would the infraction have been visible. I doesn't mean that if no one saw it with their naked eye it didn't happen.

 

No one would have seen the few grains of sand Anna moved with her club. The ball marking incident would have been very apparent if you had been standing there looking at it.

 

But it wasn't.....

 

Wasn't what?

Some are hanging there hat on the idea that if no one else reported it on course or started a thread on wrx immediately then it was not visible without HD. They must not be Phil fans as he feels it happens, a lot, on the mens tour.

[bladehunter]

Do I understand the situation correctly that by "accepting" she was able to continue playing the tournament with a four-stroke penalty and by declining to "accept" she would be deemed as withdrawing from the tournament?

 

If so all she did was choose to try and win in spite of the penalty. That is hardly indicative of her actual belief about what happened. Totally coerced.

 

If she actually believed that she did not commit the infraction, then why accept the penalty and continue? If one feels they are innocent, don't admit guilt.

 

Because "not admitting guilt" would mean walking away and taking a WD in a major championship you are leading. That's a hell of a price to pay to make a point. And as is clear from this thread, nothing she "accepts" or not would have any effect on what people actually believe. Talk about your expensive empty gestures, yikes!

 

Yes, a high price, but probably worth it. I was taught to take the high road if I believed I was right, regardless of the consequences. I'm sure she'd have even more fans if she said, "Screw you. I did nothing wrong."

 

 

and that is probably our disconnect... i was taught by example to stand up for your beliefs.... taking the "high road" to somehow crown yourself as pure is just a cop out at best... if you truly believe you did nothing wrong say so... if you see something wrong..say so... I would use Phil as an example here... ill give you he is riddled with faults... But the one he does not posses is being passive .... he will meet you head on , for all the world to see... non of this "ill take the high road " and shoot darts at you when you arent looking crap...

[bladehunter]

Do I understand the situation correctly that by "accepting" she was able to continue playing the tournament with a four-stroke penalty and by declining to "accept" she would be deemed as withdrawing from the tournament?

 

If so all she did was choose to try and win in spite of the penalty. That is hardly indicative of her actual belief about what happened. Totally coerced.

 

If she actually believed that she did not commit the infraction, then why accept the penalty and continue? If one feels they are innocent, don't admit guilt.

 

 

so cut your nose off to spite your face and try to take teh Marter route? that would = epic failure.. in life we are forced to do things we dont want to .. we choose to go along for our greater good... "agreeing" to this is one of those.. there is no choice...

[Argonne69]

you contradict yourself in the same post.

 

you say she's not a cheat. and then you state, "if you improperly replace the ball, and don't call a penalty on yourself, or don't accept a penalty when you are caught by an official, then you are cheating."

 

someone need a nap? :wink:

 

How is that a contradiction? She accepted the penalty, therefore not a cheat.

 

"if you do a, and don't do b, or c....you are a cheat."

 

she did a, and didn't do b. therefore, she is a cheat. --- again, take a nap.

 

Lol. Hmm, you are right, I do need a nap. How the heck does one state "if one does either, then one is a cheat"? ~((a and ~b) or c) -> ~(a and ~b) and ~c -> ~a or ~b and ~c?

 

Wow, it's been 30 years since I had a logic class.

[Argonne69]

Why yes she did. She could have done what Chella Choi did when presented with similar evidence, withdraw from the tournament without accepting the penalty.

 

You have said a lot of silly things in this thread, this tops them all.

yea i mean, just walk off the back 9 in the final round of a major. easy choice right?

 

Did I ever say it was easy? Doing the right thing is often tough, especially when there are financial repercussions. 'Probably would have been the hardest thing she's ever done. However, if she really thought she didn't deserve the penalty, then that's what she should have done.

 

However, at no time has Lexi said she didn't commit the infraction. She said she didn't do it intentionally, but didn't deny doing it.

[heavy_hitter]

you contradict yourself in the same post.

 

you say she's not a cheat. and then you state, "if you improperly replace the ball, and don't call a penalty on yourself, or don't accept a penalty when you are caught by an official, then you are cheating."

 

someone need a nap? :wink:

 

How is that a contradiction? She accepted the penalty, therefore not a cheat.

 

"if you do a, and don't do b, or c....you are a cheat."

 

she did a, and didn't do b. therefore, she is a cheat. --- again, take a nap.

 

 

 

Wow, it's been 30 years since I had a logic class.

 

And that is OBVIOUS.

[Shilgy]

If I were a Tour players I'd stop off at the officials tent before starting my first round and say, "Whatever I do out there I attest that I will be giving it 100% my best possible effort to follow every single procedure correctly. So you don't need to ask if someone registers a complaint, my answer is YES".

 

This is actually fantastic...!

Problem is then you have to actually do so. Which some apparently do not. No tossing the coin to the general area. Take you time and mark it and replace it properly. Otherwise North Butte's declaration would be useless.

[North Butte]

But it's not "doing something right". If she doesn't believe she acted incorrectly but the people running the tournament do, then their opinion is the only one that matters. The whole ask-the-player stuff is just made up by the petty tyrants running golf tournaments to make it look like they are being oh so reasonable.

 

Walking off the course would be a gesture signifying that she does not accept the legitimacy of the tournament's Committee. That is not "doing right" for a professional golfer. That would simply be acting out due to butthurt.

 

Rules guys are going to do what Rules guys do. She isn't the first to be treated shabbily and won't be the last. There's no moral high ground by trying to show them up. And it wouldn't work, she'd just come off as a spoiled brat having a tantrum.

[Argonne69]

On that note I'll bid adieu. The officials fulfilled their obligation to investigate the infraction brought to their attention, and deemed a penalty necessary to protect the field. Lexi admitted she broke the rule, and accepted the penalty. The video evidence was presented to her, and she chose to continue with the penalty strokes. The recent change in the rules wouldn't have changed a thing, given that the placement was not reasonable with her eyes being 18 inches away from the ball.

 

Is there anything more to discuss that hasn't already been rehashed? Please do create a new thread, or join an existing thread, in the rules forum to discuss any possible changes you'd like to see.

 

I'm going to go take a nap. :sleep:

[North Butte]

If I were a Tour players I'd stop off at the officials tent before starting my first round and say, "Whatever I do out there I attest that I will be giving it 100% my best possible effort to follow every single procedure correctly. So you don't need to ask if someone registers a complaint, my answer is YES".

 

This is actually fantastic...!

Problem is then you have to actually do so. Which some apparently do not. No tossing the coin to the general area. Take you time and mark it and replace it properly. Otherwise North Butte's declaration would be useless.

 

Right. And if so they are going to slap you with a penalty. It would just save the kangaroo court dramatics of dragging the player in to watch video as though they have any say-so in the matter.

 

Just once I wish they'd announce "We brought the player in, showed him the video, listened carefully to his interpretation and then did what we damned well knew we were going to do all along". The official who did it would be banned for life and have to turn in his ceremonial gavel and leather-bound rulebook but it would be cool!

[bladehunter]

If I were a Tour players I'd stop off at the officials tent before starting my first round and say, "Whatever I do out there I attest that I will be giving it 100% my best possible effort to follow every single procedure correctly. So you don't need to ask if someone registers a complaint, my answer is YES".

 

This is actually fantastic...!

Problem is then you have to actually do so. Which some apparently do not. No tossing the coin to the general area. Take you time and mark it and replace it properly. Otherwise North Butte's declaration would be useless.

 

Right. And if so they are going to slap you with a penalty. It would just save the kangaroo court dramatics of dragging the player in to watch video as though they have any say-so in the matter.

 

Just once I wish they'd announce "We brought the player in, showed him the video, listened carefully to his interpretation and then did what we damned well knew we were going to do all along". The official who did it would be banned for life and have to turn in his ceremonial gavel and leather-bound rulebook but it would be cool!

 

you just described the DJ incident to a T.... they "brought him in for his opinion" why? they alreadymade their minds up.. why the ceremony ? i can tell you .. they care much more about appearances than they do actual fairness.... that is what all this sudden " we must catch every infraction " is about... it isnt about anythng but twitter damage control..

[Vindog]

How many PGA/LPGA players have incorrectly marked their balls? Every single one of them. This isn't an issue of whether she marked her ball correctly. It is an issued of whether or not arm chair golfers and video should be allowed.

 

It is?

 

The rule doesn't address that at all.

[North Butte]

How many PGA/LPGA players have incorrectly marked their balls? Every single one of them. This isn't an issue of whether she marked her ball correctly. It is an issued of whether or not arm chair golfers and video should be allowed.

 

It is?

 

The rule doesn't address that at all.

 

You are right. The only change is what the officials are supposed to say after they have decided to act on whatever outside information they want to listen to.

[heavy_hitter]

On that note I'll bid adieu. The officials fulfilled their obligation to investigate the infraction brought to their attention, and deemed a penalty necessary to protect the field. Lexi admitted she broke the rule, and accepted the penalty. The video evidence was presented to her, and she chose to continue with the penalty strokes. The recent change in the rules wouldn't have changed a thing, given that the placement was not reasonable with her eyes being 18 inches away from the ball.

 

Is there anything more to discuss that hasn't already been rehashed? Please do create a new thread, or join an existing thread, in the rules forum to discuss any possible changes you'd like to see.

 

I'm going to go take a nap. :sleep:

 

Show me in the rules where they had an obligation to explore a penalty that was found by a viewer. No where in the rules does it state that. In my opinion with the new rules she doesn't get penalized.

[ray9898]

So....to all the 'you can't replace it in the exact same spot' folk. How much of a variance is acceptable in your eyes. 1"? 2"? 4" 12"? Where exactly do you draw the line about where a ball is replaced that is reasonable.

[Shilgy]

If I were a Tour players I'd stop off at the officials tent before starting my first round and say, "Whatever I do out there I attest that I will be giving it 100% my best possible effort to follow every single procedure correctly. So you don't need to ask if someone registers a complaint, my answer is YES".

 

This is actually fantastic...!

Problem is then you have to actually do so. Which some apparently do not. No tossing the coin to the general area. Take you time and mark it and replace it properly. Otherwise North Butte's declaration would be useless.

 

Right. And if so they are going to slap you with a penalty. It would just save the kangaroo court dramatics of dragging the player in to watch video as though they have any say-so in the matter.

 

Just once I wish they'd announce "We brought the player in, showed him the video, listened carefully to his interpretation and then did what we damned well knew we were going to do all along". The official who did it would be banned for life and have to turn in his ceremonial gavel and leather-bound rulebook but it would be cool!

 

you just described the DJ incident to a T.... they "brought him in for his opinion" why? they alreadymade their minds up.. why the ceremony ? i can tell you .. they care much more about appearances than they do actual fairness.... that is what all this sudden " we must catch every infraction " is about... it isnt about anythng but twitter damage control..

Because under the rule at the time there was little leeway. The rule has been changed.

 

New vantage point. How would those of you that are clamoring for Lexi to be absolved and for call ins to be ignored respond in this situation?

A player on tour that you dislike does something Saturday during an event that warrants a penalty. But the tour has decided they will no longer accept call ins. The rule is not changed but the tour, at some of yours suggestion, has decided not to answer the call. While the round is still going video surfaces on social media that clearly shows the player cheated. Heck let's even for this exercise say he gained an obvious advantage. The poster on social media says he tried to let the tour know but it was ignored.

What is your reaction? Be more honest than the cheating player in your reply if you can.

[heavy_hitter]

So....to all the 'you can't replace it in the exact same spot' folk. How much of a variance is acceptable in your eyes. 1"? 2"? 4" 12"? Where exactly do you draw the line about where a ball is replaced that is reasonable.

 

No one will ever know because this was a freak occasion. If she marks and spends 10 seconds behind the ball, then replaces it in the same place she did, no one even questions it. The only reason any one could tell is because she dropped the mark picked the ball up then immediately set the ball back down. In my eyes, and I know I am in the minority on this statement, she didn't deserve any penalty strokes. This happens every tournament, you just don't know because it isn't an immediate placement.

[heavy_hitter]

 

 

 

 

 

Because under the rule at the time there was little leeway. The rule has been changed.

 

New vantage point. How would those of you that are clamoring for Lexi to be absolved and for call ins to be ignored respond in this situation?

A player on tour that you dislike does something Saturday during an event that warrants a penalty. But the tour has decided they will no longer accept call ins. The rule is not changed but the tour, at some of yours suggestion, has decided not to answer the call. While the round is still going video surfaces on social media that clearly shows the player cheated. Heck let's even for this exercise say he gained an obvious advantage. The poster on social media says he tried to let the tour know but it was ignored.

What is your reaction? Be more honest than the cheating player in your reply if you can.

 

Don't see anything wrong with it. If the playing partner or the walking rules official doesn't see it, it isn't an infraction. Once the hole is complete you can't receive a penalty.

 

Plus, if a player does something on Sunday and wins the tournament then a rules violation pops up on Monday they still get the trophy. What is the difference?

[Vindog]

On that note I'll bid adieu. The officials fulfilled their obligation to investigate the infraction brought to their attention, and deemed a penalty necessary to protect the field. Lexi admitted she broke the rule, and accepted the penalty. The video evidence was presented to her, and she chose to continue with the penalty strokes. The recent change in the rules wouldn't have changed a thing, given that the placement was not reasonable with her eyes being 18 inches away from the ball.

 

Is there anything more to discuss that hasn't already been rehashed? Please do create a new thread, or join an existing thread, in the rules forum to discuss any possible changes you'd like to see.

 

I'm going to go take a nap. :sleep:

 

Show me in the rules where they had an obligation to explore a penalty that was found by a viewer. No where in the rules does it state that. In my opinion with the new rules she doesn't get penalized.

 

Go to the USGA website, look for the rules page and look in the definitions for "referee".

 

Here is what it says, note the last sentence "...he MUST act"

 

 

 

A “referee” is one who is appointed by the Committee to decide questions of fact and apply the Rules. He must act on any breach of a Rule that he observes or is reported to him.

[Shilgy]

Because under the rule at the time there was little leeway. The rule has been changed.

 

New vantage point. How would those of you that are clamoring for Lexi to be absolved and for call ins to be ignored respond in this situation?

A player on tour that you dislike does something Saturday during an event that warrants a penalty. But the tour has decided they will no longer accept call ins. The rule is not changed but the tour, at some of yours suggestion, has decided not to answer the call. While the round is still going video surfaces on social media that clearly shows the player cheated. Heck let's even for this exercise say he gained an obvious advantage. The poster on social media says he tried to let the tour know but it was ignored.

What is your reaction? Be more honest than the cheating player in your reply if you can.

 

Don't see anything wrong with it. If the playing partner or the walking rules official doesn't see it, it isn't an infraction. Once the hole is complete you can't receive a penalty.

 

Plus, if a player does something on Sunday and wins the tournament then a rules violation pops up on Monday they still get the trophy. What is the difference?

You do realize that it is not the job of the fellow competitor or rules official to referee the players actions?

 

So....to all the 'you can't replace it in the exact same spot' folk. How much of a variance is acceptable in your eyes. 1"? 2"? 4" 12"? Where exactly do you draw the line about where a ball is replaced that is reasonable.

 

No one will ever know because this was a freak occasion. If she marks and spends 10 seconds behind the ball, then replaces it in the same place she did, no one even questions it. The only reason any one could tell is because she dropped the mark picked the ball up then immediately set the ball back down. In my eyes, and I know I am in the minority on this statement, she didn't deserve any penalty strokes. This happens every tournament, you just don't know because it isn't an immediate placement.

We're getting somewhere. So you do acknowledge the replacement was, at the very least, poor?

[Shilgy]

On that note I'll bid adieu. The officials fulfilled their obligation to investigate the infraction brought to their attention, and deemed a penalty necessary to protect the field. Lexi admitted she broke the rule, and accepted the penalty. The video evidence was presented to her, and she chose to continue with the penalty strokes. The recent change in the rules wouldn't have changed a thing, given that the placement was not reasonable with her eyes being 18 inches away from the ball.

 

Is there anything more to discuss that hasn't already been rehashed? Please do create a new thread, or join an existing thread, in the rules forum to discuss any possible changes you'd like to see.

 

I'm going to go take a nap. :sleep:

 

Show me in the rules where they had an obligation to explore a penalty that was found by a viewer. No where in the rules does it state that. In my opinion with the new rules she doesn't get penalized.

 

Go to the USGA website, look for the rules page and look in the definitions for "referee".

 

Here is what it says, note the last sentence "...he MUST act"

 

 

 

A "referee" is one who is appointed by the Committee to decide questions of fact and apply the Rules. He must act on any breach of a Rule that he observes or is reported to him.

Thanks Vin-I was just trying to find that sentence. Knew it was in there.

[heavy_hitter]

On that note I'll bid adieu. The officials fulfilled their obligation to investigate the infraction brought to their attention, and deemed a penalty necessary to protect the field. Lexi admitted she broke the rule, and accepted the penalty. The video evidence was presented to her, and she chose to continue with the penalty strokes. The recent change in the rules wouldn't have changed a thing, given that the placement was not reasonable with her eyes being 18 inches away from the ball.

 

Is there anything more to discuss that hasn't already been rehashed? Please do create a new thread, or join an existing thread, in the rules forum to discuss any possible changes you'd like to see.

 

I'm going to go take a nap. :sleep:

 

Show me in the rules where they had an obligation to explore a penalty that was found by a viewer. No where in the rules does it state that. In my opinion with the new rules she doesn't get penalized.

 

Go to the USGA website, look for the rules page and look in the definitions for "referee".

 

Here is what it says, note the last sentence "...he MUST act"

 

 

 

A "referee" is one who is appointed by the Committee to decide questions of fact and apply the Rules. He must act on any breach of a Rule that he observes or is reported to him.

 

Key word is APPOINTED!! If they aren't on grounds at the tournament, they weren't appointed to do anything.

 

Try again bro.

[heavy_hitter]

Because under the rule at the time there was little leeway. The rule has been changed.

 

New vantage point. How would those of you that are clamoring for Lexi to be absolved and for call ins to be ignored respond in this situation?

A player on tour that you dislike does something Saturday during an event that warrants a penalty. But the tour has decided they will no longer accept call ins. The rule is not changed but the tour, at some of yours suggestion, has decided not to answer the call. While the round is still going video surfaces on social media that clearly shows the player cheated. Heck let's even for this exercise say he gained an obvious advantage. The poster on social media says he tried to let the tour know but it was ignored.

What is your reaction? Be more honest than the cheating player in your reply if you can.

 

Don't see anything wrong with it. If the playing partner or the walking rules official doesn't see it, it isn't an infraction. Once the hole is complete you can't receive a penalty.

 

Plus, if a player does something on Sunday and wins the tournament then a rules violation pops up on Monday they still get the trophy. What is the difference?

You do realize that it is not the job of the fellow competitor or rules official to referee the players actions?

 

So....to all the 'you can't replace it in the exact same spot' folk. How much of a variance is acceptable in your eyes. 1"? 2"? 4" 12"? Where exactly do you draw the line about where a ball is replaced that is reasonable.

 

No one will ever know because this was a freak occasion. If she marks and spends 10 seconds behind the ball, then replaces it in the same place she did, no one even questions it. The only reason any one could tell is because she dropped the mark picked the ball up then immediately set the ball back down. In my eyes, and I know I am in the minority on this statement, she didn't deserve any penalty strokes. This happens every tournament, you just don't know because it isn't an immediate placement.

We're getting somewhere. So you do acknowledge the replacement was, at the very least, poor?

 

I do not think it was a poor placement. I know I am in the minority.

 

Then why with this terminology do you think it is OK for a home viewer to referee the players actions?

 

Tournament golf is different than the weekend hacker. The original rules of golf are not intended for the weekend golfer. I see kids in a tournament call kids out all of the time if they don't follow the rules. At that point it is up to them to figure out the penalty or to call a rules official in. Specifically, if someone does not know the rules then the other player or official has to enlighten them.

[Shilgy]

On that note I'll bid adieu. The officials fulfilled their obligation to investigate the infraction brought to their attention, and deemed a penalty necessary to protect the field. Lexi admitted she broke the rule, and accepted the penalty. The video evidence was presented to her, and she chose to continue with the penalty strokes. The recent change in the rules wouldn't have changed a thing, given that the placement was not reasonable with her eyes being 18 inches away from the ball.

 

Is there anything more to discuss that hasn't already been rehashed? Please do create a new thread, or join an existing thread, in the rules forum to discuss any possible changes you'd like to see.

 

I'm going to go take a nap. :sleep:

 

Show me in the rules where they had an obligation to explore a penalty that was found by a viewer. No where in the rules does it state that. In my opinion with the new rules she doesn't get penalized.

 

Go to the USGA website, look for the rules page and look in the definitions for "referee".

 

Here is what it says, note the last sentence "...he MUST act"

 

 

 

A "referee" is one who is appointed by the Committee to decide questions of fact and apply the Rules. He must act on any breach of a Rule that he observes or is reported to him.

 

Key word is APPOINTED!! If they aren't on grounds at the tournament, they weren't appointed to do anything.

 

Try again bro.

Good gracious, of course they are on the grounds. There are a few of them at every event. And those rules officials and referees and the committee MUST act on any breach-or possible breach-presented to them. That is why during the ANA the woman from the LPGA stated that they get many call ins every week. And they act on all of them-meaning they review them for possible penalties. Most are found to be lacking in proof.

 

As to your next post if "I do not think it was a poor placement." is true then what did "The only reason any one could tell is because she dropped the mark picked the ball up then immediately set the ball back down. " possibly mean? The only reason anyone could tell what?