Jump to content

How long to develop a repeatable swing?


OldFrog75

Recommended Posts

I used to play quite a bit of golf and got my handicap down to 12. But then I took a 15 year hiatus and just started playing again 4 months ago. Mentally the game is pretty much the same but physically it feels like starting over. 3000 outdoor range balls, 9 hours at an indoor TrackMan facility, 15 rounds of golf and if my score cards are any indication I still do not have a repeatable swing. I doubt I'm any more impatient than most golfers but what is a realistic expectation for developing a consistent, repeatable swing? I expected more from 3500 swings given my prior experience but maybe it takes 35000?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 15
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Stop hitting range balls except to groove your swing with a coach.

Then just play, play, play!

The game is on the course. Not at the range.

 

Use your instincts and gut to lower the score card.

Can't see how playing will improve the consistency of your swing if you hit it straight only 33% of the time on level ground.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stop hitting range balls except to groove your swing with a coach.

Then just play, play, play!

The game is on the course. Not at the range.

 

Use your instincts and gut to lower the score card.

Can't see how playing will improve the consistency of your swing if you hit it straight only 33% of the time on level ground.

 

Because Golf is on the course , Pete Cowen and Dave Alred 2 amazing Europe’s golf coaches both say that.

Your brain learns faster playing, it adapts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think the how long question depends to a large extent on how you are trying to swing the club. I had a repeatable swing within days of first picking up a golf club. To be sure it improved over time, in the sense that I struck the ball further, straighter and more solidly as time when on, but my swing repeated from the outset.

 

The reason I had a repeatable swing early on is that I had the good fortune of learning from a man that taught a swing that was very easy to repeat, the late Manuel de la Torre. Every aspect of the swing he taught, from grip, to set up, to alignment, to the actual swing mechanics were designed to promote consistency. Manny's method requires that you consciously perform relatively few actions allowing the rest of the golf swing to be reactive. It is relatively easy to repeat a few simple motions compared to what many other golfers are trying to do.

 

Steve

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think the how long question depends to a large extent on how you are trying to swing the club. I had a repeatable swing within days of first picking up a golf club. To be sure it improved over time, in the sense that I struck the ball further, straighter and more solidly as time when on, but my swing repeated from the outset.

 

The reason I had a repeatable swing early on is that I had the good fortune of learning from a man that taught a swing that was very easy to repeat, the late Manuel de la Torre. Every aspect of the swing he taught, from grip, to set up, to alignment, to the actual swing mechanics were designed to promote consistency. Manny's method requires that you consciously perform relatively few actions allowing the rest of the golf swing to be reactive. It is relatively easy to repeat a few simple motions compared to what many other golfers are trying to do.

 

Steve

Sounds great!!!
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stop hitting range balls except to groove your swing with a coach.

Then just play, play, play!

The game is on the course. Not at the range.

 

Use your instincts and gut to lower the score card.

Can't see how playing will improve the consistency of your swing if you hit it straight only 33% of the time on level ground.

 

Because Golf is on the course , Pete Cowen and Dave Alred 2 amazing Europe’s golf coaches both say that.

Your brain learns faster playing, it adapts.

 

I would disagree. If you have a mechanical change you are trying to groove, a lot of times you need to take swings where the result absolutely doesn't matter. Sometimes with a coach, sometimes it’s focused practice with a clear goal.

 

You can't do that on the course, your mind won't allow for it since you still have a clear target.

 

You need enough reps off the course to trust it otherwise your old swing/compensations can easily take over when you need a good result.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How long to develop a repeatable swing?

 

71%2BKyuOluLL._SX425_.jpg

 

How are you even gauging "repeatable swing"?

 

If you looked at 50 of my swings, I bet you couldn't tell a difference in them. But, I bet about 10 of them would miss the fairway left, 10 would miss the fairway right, and 30 would be somewhere in the fairway, and probably from all over the face.

 

But, I bet my "all over the face" is still a tighter pattern than your "all over the face". And a pro thinking he's all over the face is going to be tighter than my all over the face.

 

juststeve perceives his swing as repeatable, but if you put him over 10 balls, he's not going to land the balls on top of each other even with a perfect lie.

 

All I can say is that over time, everything just gets a little "tighter". Your pattern on the face gets tighter. The distribution of where you make contact with the course gets tighter. The distribution of where your balls land gets tighter. But, you're not going to keep hitting balls and one day you pass a magic number and you go, "oh, there it is, it's repeatable. I'm going to go score now".

 

It just doesn't work like that. Go play. Go practice. Be patient.

Ping G400 LST 10º XTORSION Copper 60
RBZ Stage 2 4W 17º
Strong torso
Cobra f6 Hybrid
Mizuno JPX-900 Forged 4I-GW
Vokey 54º/14º F-grind
Vokey 60º/04º. "The Scalpel"
Odyssey Stroke Lab Black Ten
Oncore Elixir Neon Green

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stop hitting range balls except to groove your swing with a coach.

Then just play, play, play!

The game is on the course. Not at the range.

 

Use your instincts and gut to lower the score card.

Can't see how playing will improve the consistency of your swing if you hit it straight only 33% of the time on level ground.

 

Because Golf is on the course , Pete Cowen and Dave Alred 2 amazing Europe’s golf coaches both say that.

Your brain learns faster playing, it adapts.

 

+1. My handicap didn’t really drop until I started playing more. There were some really ugly rounds but I eventually found a way to put a decent score on my card.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stop hitting range balls except to groove your swing with a coach.

Then just play, play, play!

The game is on the course. Not at the range.

 

Use your instincts and gut to lower the score card.

Can't see how playing will improve the consistency of your swing if you hit it straight only 33% of the time on level ground.

 

Because Golf is on the course , Pete Cowen and Dave Alred 2 amazing Europe’s golf coaches both say that.

Your brain learns faster playing, it adapts.

 

OP said his problem is the swing not the scores (ie bad course management or short game etc) If he is struggling with his swing zero chance he improves it on course. Do you think the likes of Tiger learning a new swing learnt it on the course? No! He spent no less than 8 hours a day on the range. Once he dialed his swing the next stage was to bring it to the course and compete. That's the final piece OP is not there yet with his swing. I think he must be either A: Practicing the wrong way B - Has a swing that is not suited to him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FWIW, I'm a 12.4HC. For me, a repeatable swing is a swing that produces the intended results ~70+% of the time.

 

With that, I didn't start to see those results until I crossed the 8k-9k range ball mark. But, YMMV as I was changing from a horrible slice/fat/thin/skulled/pop-up swing to a "repeatable" swing (which has become a draw/push draw). Luckily, that number also includes bunker work, tons of wedge work, uneven surface practice (above, below, uphill and downhill) and partial shots.

 

I didn't play until I had a swing that could reproduce the shot that I wanted, when I wanted it (within reason of my HC) on the range, having no consequences of a bad shot. Once that was possible, it didn't translate to the course, until I began playing more.

 

I hope that helps..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As it has been said, Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

 

One year ago I decided to learn how to chip. I reviewed many schools of swing and ended up choosing Stan Utley's because it simply felt good to me.

 

I took vidoes of my learning the swing until I saw when I was doing it right and recognized that feel. Feel is everything. I remember the correct feels. So I practiced them for 2-3 hours a day inside and outside. Hundreds of shots with various clubs, challenging myself on virtually every shot to hit it left or right or high or low, videoing to spot any bad habits.

 

One year later, I am a far better chipper. 70% of the time I don't give my swing one thought, only zero in on the exact target and visualize the entire shot. Then, I will suddenly double-hit--but I know from practice why, and I immediately correct it.

 

One shortcut is to get a good teacher who can help you with a plan. Still, focused practice with self-pressure and self-awareness is everything.

 

"I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."
- Groucho Marx

WIMB
PING G400 Driver 10.5*

TaylorMade Burner 3-wood and 5-wood REAX reg graphite

Mizuno MX-23 forged 5-PW, Mizuno forged SW, GW, LW

Putter:  Odyssey White Hot Rossie 36" --  Ball: TP5 X

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT) - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT) - Tuesday #1
      2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue - Wednesday #1
      2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue - Wednesday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Michael Johnson - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Thomas Walsh - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Chris Petefish - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Tag Ridings - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Austin Greaser - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Emilio Gonzalez - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Davis Lamb - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Brenden Jelley - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      Dillion Board - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue (KFT)
      John Augenstein - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
      Yi Cao - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
      Kris Ventura - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
      Mark Goetz - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
      Nelson Ledesma - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
      Morgan Hoffmann - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
      Tanner Gore - WITB - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Ryan Gerard's custom & 1 off Cameron putters - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
      L.A.B. Golf custom Mezz 1 - 2024 The Ascendant presented by Blue
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 6 replies
    • 2024 ISCO Championship - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 ISCO Championship - Monday #1
      2024 ISCO Championship - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      James Nicholas - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Marcus Kinhult - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Adrien Saddier - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Stephen Stallings, Jr. - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Espen Kofstad - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Daniel Iceman - Kentucky PGA Section Champ - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Cooper Musselman - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Alex Goff - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Angel Hidalgo - WITB - 2024 ISCO Championship
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Kevin Streelman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 ISCO Championship
      Cameron putter - 2024 ISCO Championship
       
       
       
       
       
       
      • 3 replies
    • 2024 John Deere Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 John Deere Classic - Monday #1
      2024 John Deere Classic - Monday #2
      2024 John Deere Classic - Tuesday #1
      2024 John Deere Classic - Tuesday #2
      2024 John Deere Classic - Tuesday #3
      2024 John Deere Classic - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Jason Day - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Josh Teater - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Michael Thorbjornsen - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Austin Smotherman - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Joseph Bramlett - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      C.T. Pan - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Anders Albertson - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Seung Yul Noh - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Blake Hathcoat - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Jimmy Stanger - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Cole Sherwood - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Anders Larson - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Bill Haas - WITB - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Tommy "2 Gloves" Gainey WITB – 2024 John Deere Classic
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Garrick Higgo - 2 Aretera shafts in the bag - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Jhonattan Vegas' custom Cameron putter - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putter - 2024 John Deere Classic
      2 new Super Stroke Marvel comics grips - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Swag blade putter - 2024 John Deere Classic
      Swag Golf - Joe Dirt covers - 2024 John Deere Classic
       
       
       
       
       
      • 3 replies
    • 2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Nate Lashley - WITB - 2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic
      Hayden Springer - WITB - 2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic
      Jackson Koivun - WITB - 2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic
      Callum Tarren - WITB - 2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic
      Luke Clanton - WITB - 2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jason Dufner's custom 3-D printed Cobra putter - 2024 Rocket Mortgage Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 11 replies
    • Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 US Open
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 US Open
        • Like
      • 52 replies

×
×
  • Create New...