Another hint.. DJ and Rahm are using Hogan's secret. They just don't know it. Or do they?

[SwagGolf6112]

Consider these image of Rahm and DJ.. see anything similar to Hogan's?

 

No no no... not the bowed wrist. Not that exactly.. 😉😉

 

Think about it and you might see.

 

I intentionally use Rahm's set-up to top of the backswing and then DJ's top of the backswing to impact to follow through so it looks like a swing sequence. Noticed how it could easily be the same swing.

 

What are they doing knowingly(or unknowingly) or instinctively that happened to be what Hogan discovered.

 

Rahm's

DJ's

 

 

 

It's easy to see if you know where to look. Cheers sir n madams n happy hunting!

[oz dee cee]

Swing plane perpendicular to spine angle? 
 

Get some answers but you’re going to have to spell it out man!!! 

[golferdude54]

Hogan did not hit pull fades like these two. DJ and Rahm have their path and face angle pointing left of their target with the face angle pointing less left than the path, and Morikawa does this as well.

 

The flaw in this is because their path is left, if they square up the face instead of having it open to their path, they hit double-crossed pulls. Hogan did not do this. Hogan had his path straight at the target with the face just a tiny bit open for his fade and if he ever released too early and squared it up, it would still go straight instead of pulling or hooking.

 

Trevino did the same thing Hogan did but exaggerated, he shifted his aimline (different from the target line) and had his path right of that aimline and push-faded the ball towards his target. He could aim at the left edge of the fairway and green and fade it away from it every time and because his path was right of his aimline instead of left, if his clubface was square instead of open, it would always finish inside the left edge of the fairway or green at worst, no pulls/hooks whatsoever.

 

Basically a lot of people’s ideas of how to hit a fade that never double crosses is wrong, just because the face angle has to be open to the path for a fade does not mean the path has to be left of the target line.

 

If you want the ball to go right every time and never left then don’t have your path be left of the target because eventually you’re gonna release too early and square it up to your path and hit it left, so much for a one way miss...

Edited May 8, 2022 by golferdude54

[powerfade66]

There is no one secret. He told a lot of friends a lot of things that haven’t made it to print. None of them made it to his books because they were written to help the lowest common denominator. He was a perfectionist, the game would have become boring for him if he settled on the same thought. That’s not to say he abandoned earlier thoughts, he built on some and discarded others. 

[Shilgy]

Who was the other poster from a while back whose every post was like this cryptic “think about it and you might see” drivel?  I’m sure it’s meant to be knowledgeable but really it’s the opposite.

[Forged_Irons]

Hogan did not bow his wrist, not back nor down.  His hands were always perpendicular to the path.  Neither hand dominant, both neutral.

Hogan’s “secret(s)” are not secrets, they are all in the 5 fundamentals.  The only real secret is how much focus and repetition it took to hone a swing of incomparable consistency.

[ej002]

On 5/8/2022 at 1:20 AM, golferdude54 said:

Hogan did not hit pull fades like these two. DJ and Rahm have their path and face angle pointing left of their target with the face angle pointing less left than the path, and Morikawa does this as well.

 

The flaw in this is because their path is left, if they square up the face instead of having it open to their path, they hit double-crossed pulls. Hogan did not do this. Hogan had his path straight at the target with the face just a tiny bit open for his fade and if he ever released too early and squared it up, it would still go straight instead of pulling or hooking.

 

Trevino did the same thing Hogan did but exaggerated, he shifted his aimline (different from the target line) and had his path right of that aimline and push-faded the ball towards his target. He could aim at the left edge of the fairway and green and fade it away from it every time and because his path was right of his aimline instead of left, if his clubface was square instead of open, it would always finish inside the left edge of the fairway or green at worst, no pulls/hooks whatsoever.

 

Basically a lot of people’s ideas of how to hit a fade that never double crosses is wrong, just because the face angle has to be open to the path for a fade does not mean the path has to be left of the target line.

 

If you want the ball to go right every time and never left then don’t have your path be left of the target because eventually you’re gonna release too early and square it up to your path and hit it left, so much for a one way miss...

 This would be a push fade.   There is only one way to hit a straight ball fall right, and that is with the face square and path moving left.   Anything else is BS

[Chainlinks]

Nope, not even sniffing Hogan, complete lunacy roflmfao 

[golferdude54]

On 8/5/2022 at 4:23 PM, ej002 said:

 This would be a push fade.   There is only one way to hit a straight ball fall right, and that is with the face square and path moving left.   Anything else is BS

 

But the problem is if you have a margin of error ranging from too open to the path to square to the path at impact, which is unfortunately what we have to work with when trying to fade the ball but it is still better than having an open, square, and closed margin of error for draws. If you have the path left and your timing/release is a bit off to the point where the face is square to the path, that ball is going left no matter what, which is the complete opposite definition of a one-way miss. Look how often Morikawa and DJ hit pulls or even pull-hooks trying to play pull-fades, they do it once every round.

[SwagGolf6112]

Noice Noice Noice...

 

Still thinking it has anything to do with hands... you guys missed my point entirely. 

[CROUSE99]

On 8/9/2022 at 10:49 PM, SwagGolf6112 said:

Noice Noice Noice...

 

Still thinking it has anything to do with hands... you guys missed my point entirely. 

Not to be a jerk about it, but just say in plain words what you see that you think is the “secret “.  This isn’t a game of 20 questions. 

[Ifelloffladder]

The right elbow angle and it's position at the top of his backswing is one of his "secrets." But in order to utilize that secret you will have to know when to "release" like Hogan.

[Gsea]

On 9/19/2022 at 5:03 PM, CROUSE99 said:

Not to be a jerk about it, but just say in plain words what you see that you think is the “secret “.  This isn’t a game of 20 questions. 

he never will cuse he doesn't have a clue

[golferdude54]

There's no secret, nobody in golf has had a secret since film existed, you can see everything in video now. The "secret" that Hogan was just a marketing ploy that he wanted to sell for a quarter of a million dollars to Time or Golf magazine and they never bit.

 

There's so much video of Hogan in the 40s and early 50s from so many angles that it's not hard to figure out what he did, the problem that many Hogan analysts have is going into such complex multiple details that they completely overlook the very thesis of his 5 Lessons book, "to do a small number of things that would make a powerful, repeating swing" and he only thought of 8 details.

[fore_life]

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[SEP1006]

On 11/12/2022 at 5:44 PM, golferdude54 said:

There's no secret, nobody in golf has had a secret since film existed, you can see everything in video now. The "secret" that Hogan was just a marketing ploy that he wanted to sell for a quarter of a million dollars to Time or Golf magazine and they never bit.

 

There's so much video of Hogan in the 40s and early 50s from so many angles that it's not hard to figure out what he did, the problem that many Hogan analysts have is going into such complex multiple details that they completely overlook the very thesis of his 5 Lessons book, "to do a small number of things that would make a powerful, repeating swing" and he only thought of 8 details.

 

Totally agree with @golferdude54

 

"Hogan's secret" - what a bunch of crap. Nothing but determination and hard work by Mr. Hogan.

 

 

 

[Hidraw]

It's easy to see if you know where to look!!?
But, yes, I have been looking at Hogan's swing for decades and it is not easy to see.   Perhaps, it is not knowing where to look but how to look.  Let's decode the Hogan's swing by looking at it mechanically - levers, fulcrum, torques.  Starting first by a simple machine - the trebuchet and then apply the observations to the swings and teaching from elite players.

 

 

Here are some observations.
1.  Towing all the way with passive centrifugal release.
2.  Counterweighting, Counterbalancing, Flywheeling.

But, we, golfers, swing with two arms!  Where is the lever?
Perhaps, we are using two levers through the two arms, like towing the dog through two leashes by you and your girlfriend along a walkway.  

The lever of the left arm with the cervical spine as the fulcrum is obvious and easy to see as have been advocated through traditional teaching - the Upper Lever.

The lever of the right arm with the lumbar spine as the fulcrum, the Lower Lever, is not so easy to see, but we can decode what Hogan was advocating here.
 

It is the early positioning of the lumbar spine in front of the ball that creates the spine tilt and the early orientation of the right forearm to be about perpendicular to the lumbar spine that creates the appearance of club shallowing and early elbow plane.   Once the Lower Lever is configured at the earliest possible stage then Hogan could rotate like a tornado.

Hackers are typically preoccupied with what in front - the load side of the lever, the Yang,  ignoring the back counterweighting, counterbalancing side of the lever, the Yin.  The Yin side moves are small but that how the power of the lever is derived.  Traditional teaching advocates "Clearing the left hip" or moving the left hip out of the way.  But I now see that as the move to power the Lower Lever.

There are still many things to look and discuss like the orientation and moment arms of the Upper Lever and Lower Lever. 

I miss the discussions of the old days.