Net Double Bogey hole adjustment for a Modified Par

[larrybud]

Played in a Michigan Am qualifier the other day. I was a 4 CH, come to the 3rd hole (my 12th of the day). On the regular member's scorecard it's hole handicap is 13, and is a Par 5 (~480 yards).  For this tournament, they move the tees up about 30 yards and call it a par 4. Nothing on the tournament scorecard denotes hole handicap, so if any kind of adjustment was made, it was unknown to us. Since it's a stroke play round, generally this wouldn't matter anyway...

 

Until I make an unfortunately Triple Bogey (7). 

 

Should this score be adjusted down to a 6 (Net double bogey, since I don't get a stroke on hole handicap 13), or do I go by the normal par designation, at which case a 7 would count?

[Newby]

12 minutes ago, larrybud said:

Played in a Michigan Am qualifier the other day. I was a 4 CH, come to the 3rd hole (my 12th of the day). On the regular member's scorecard it's hole handicap is 13, and is a Par 5 (~480 yards).  For this tournament, they move the tees up about 30 yards and call it a par 4. Nothing on the tournament scorecard denotes hole handicap, so if any kind of adjustment was made, it was unknown to us. Since it's a stroke play round, generally this wouldn't matter anyway...

 

Until I make an unfortunately Triple Bogey (7). 

 

Should this score be adjusted down to a 6 (Net double bogey, since I don't get a stroke on hole handicap 13), or do I go by the normal par designation, at which case a 7 would count?

Doesn't the WHS display your individual hole scores?

Edited June 3, 2023 by Newby

[larrybud]

1 minute ago, Newby said:

Doesn't the WHS display your individual scores?

Not sure what you're asking? You mean individual hole scores? We have the option to enter it as a total score (self-adjusted) or hole by hole. However if I choose to enter it hole by hole, the par of the hole comes up as a par 5, because that's how the course is normally played.

[Newby]

The committee would seem to have been sloppy.

[nsxguy]

24 minutes ago, larrybud said:

Not sure what you're asking? You mean individual hole scores? We have the option to enter it as a total score (self-adjusted) or hole by hole. However if I choose to enter it hole by hole, the par of the hole comes up as a par 5, because that's how the course is normally played.

 

Can't find anything here but,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Since it is recommended that a hole of 450 yards be a par 5, and you indicate that, instead of being 480 yards it was ~ 450, I would leave the 7 as is; either post the 7 at that hole in HBH as a 7, or enter your own total including the full 7 strokes. JMO.

[zmd13]

Without the tournament updating the rating it’s would be hard to say. How was this new par four relative to the top 4 handicap holes?

[larrybud]

29 minutes ago, zmd13 said:

Without the tournament updating the rating it’s would be hard to say. How was this new par four relative to the top 4 handicap holes?

 

Relative to what, par? It's kind of a goofy setup. It's a fairly hard dogleg left with OB left (definitely in play) and bunkers at the corner on the right. Needs to turn the ball hard to even get a shot at getting home in 2, and then the green is pretty tiny, being that it's design as a par 5.

As a 5 it's pretty easy hole. Hit a straight tee ball, layup, wedge on...

Edited June 3, 2023 by larrybud

[DaveLeeNC]

1 hour ago, Newby said:

The committee would seem to have been sloppy.

This seems to have been a handicap free tournament. Does "the committee" have the authority to make official handicap posting related changes? dave

[iacas]

2 hours ago, nsxguy said:

Since it is recommended that a hole of 450 yards be a par 5,

 

That's on the very bottom end of that range but well within the range of what should be a par four. It used to be ≤ 470 was a par four given that a scratch golfer hit it 250 and then 220.

 

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/roh/Content/rules/Appendix F Establishing Par.htm

 

 

It's an interesting question, @larrybud. I'm not sure what the answer would be. How much I care (if it was my score) depends a little on how likely that score is to be one of my 8 counting scores. 😉 

[nsxguy]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

 

That's on the very bottom end of that range but well within the range of what should be a par four. It used to be ≤ 470 was a par four given that a scratch golfer hit it 250 and then 220.

 

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/roh/Content/rules/Appendix F Establishing Par.htm

 

 

It's an interesting question, @larrybud. I'm not sure what the answer would be. How much I care (if it was my score) depends a little on how likely that score is to be one of my 8 counting scores. 😉 

 

I found no guidance in the WHS manual. IF the round was within his 8 best we're talking about .125 max for his handicap index.

 

Not a major deal but iirc Larry is a "player" so I'm thinking at his level of play, that round, with even a single double (triple ?) bogey likely wouldn't be in his 8 best.

[iacas]

15 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

Not a major deal but iirc Larry is a "player" so I'm thinking at his level of play, that round, with even a single double (triple ?) bogey likely wouldn't be in his 8 best.

 

Yeah, so what I was saying is that… if it's not likely to be in there, I wouldn't worry about it much. Just post whatever feels right to you for that hole if it won't affect the index.

[Augster]

NDB 6. The committee made it a par 4. Without changing the handicaps for the holes (not needed, gross comp) it’s still the 13 cap. You can’t take a triple on the 13 cap. NDB. 
 

Happy to help. 

[larrybud]

18 hours ago, DaveLeeNC said:

This seems to have been a handicap free tournament. Does "the committee" have the authority to make official handicap posting related changes? dave

 

Correct, gross tournament

[larrybud]

Welp, looks like the committee posted scores for us (which they normally state when they are) and when they posted mine, they adjusted it down 1 shot. 

 

Score happens to be in my best 8 (slow year!) with an adjusted 77.