Do Not Pull On the Club from the Top of the Backswing...Stop the Handle Late In Downswing.

[virtuoso]

32 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

Just one question: can this be combined with the Kawaswing?

No, the Sphinx said Kawaswing learned from the same master as the Sphinx, but now uses the dark magic to perform a bunch of youtube parlor tricks. Says he is a complete poser and has betrayed the discipline.

[Tanner25]

9 hours ago, Zitlow said:

The golf swing should a sequential athletic motion. The correct sequence is like a punch. Shoulder, arm and hand from the ground up.

 

Where a lot of people mess up in golf is by casting (early release), lengthening the radius too early. They flip, EE and no shaft lean.  

 

 

From the ground up. Lower body, upper body, right shoulder, arm and hand. The right arm unfolds behind the shift not in front of the shift. 

 

 

 

 

Zitlow, So, is the backswing sequence, hands, arms, shoulders, hips?

[DShepley]

1 hour ago, virtuoso said:

Based on the research Iacas has been doing, I did some testing myself. From what I understand, he's fairly happy with the results so far. I tried the standard protocol demonstrated by him above, but also experimented with some variations, including using the bounce more. This Sphinx riddle is starting to make more sense with the bounce element included. The first is a low flighted shot but because I'm not equipped with the Sphinx super high bounce spec, I was getting some leading edge interaction. The massive unload of the clubhead made up for some of the turf interaction but it could still be improved with the right sole.

 

The second shot is a variation added by me: Hogan toe slide to help stall the pivot rotation, which helps slow down the handle. As the Sphinx says, the body slows the handle.

 

The third shot is another variation called the Sphinx Samurai. Because I had an unbelievable amount of clubhead energy caused by the handle stoppage, I tried to give the head an escape protocol to prevent injury. You generate so much clubhead speed that you need a place for it to go other than blowback into your hands. This is a very advanced Sphinx protocol; do not try it at home without supervision by a certified Sphinx Specialist.

 

 

 

 

I don't know....all seems pretty inconclusive to me. Perhaps if you had a skeleton bodysuit, we could really tell what part of the body is responsible for this voodoo somewhere between the gravity drop to P6 and the rapid acceleration prior to the handle stop just before impact. 

[iacas]

16 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

After i hit the shot, I honestly didn't know what had happened...I was in a bit of a trance. Then I watched the video back and got chills.

 

I like the little Fred Astaire dance step at the end. Makes it a true classic.

 

7 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

No, the Sphinx said Kawaswing learned from the same master as the Sphinx, but now uses the dark magic to perform a bunch of youtube parlor tricks. Says he is a complete poser and has betrayed the discipline.

 

Now that you mention it, I'm reminded that I heard he was kicked out once he discovered that the Sphinx's own name had come up in the weavings, so he bent a bullet around in a circle in an attempt to kill them all, but Kawaswung his Miura blade 6I and deflected it (with a 1.55 smash factor no less) away just in the nick of time, before escaping to Japan and Instagram.

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, DShepley said:

I don't know....all seems pretty inconclusive to me. Perhaps if you had a skeleton bodysuit, we could really tell what part of the body is responsible for this voodoo somewhere between the gravity drop to P6 and the rapid acceleration prior to the handle stop just before impact. 

 

Two things:

• Party City was out of skeleton suits, and has been for months. I haven't been able to check for a few months, though, due to the restraining order.
• I am wondering if the rapid acceleration and braking from P6 to P7 requires a gear I don't possess. In the meantime, I'm working on my wrist strength:

[DShepley]

39 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

Two things:

• Party City was out of skeleton suits, and has been for months. I haven't been able to check for a few months, though, due to the restraining order.
• I am wondering if the rapid acceleration and braking from P6 to P7 requires a gear I don't possess. In the meantime, I'm working on my wrist strength:

The more i think about it, really what he is describing is a burnout. Rapid acceleration and braking at nearly the same time.  Perhaps use this as a swing thought. 

 

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, DShepley said:

The more i think about it, really what he is describing is a burnout. Rapid acceleration and braking at nearly the same time.  Perhaps use this as a swing thought. 

 

I'll have to stop by Dick's. I'm not sure my TRUE Linkswear can handle those GRFs.

[virtuoso]

53 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

I like the little Fred Astaire dance step at the end. Makes it a true classic.

 

 

Now that you mention it, I'm reminded that I heard he was kicked out once he discovered that the Sphinx's own name had come up in the weavings, so he bent a bullet around in a circle in an attempt to kill them all, but Kawaswung his Miura blade 6I and deflected it (with a 1.55 smash factor no less) away just in the nick of time, before escaping to Japan and Instagram.

I just got a call from the Sphinx and he tore me a new one. He said you and I are perhaps the least qualified members on the forum to demonstrate his techniques. He added that our execution of said technique was atrocious and this is not how he wanted his secrets revealed to the world. I’ll go into greater detail offline.

[iacas]

8 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

I just got a call from the Sphinx and he tore me a new one. He said you and I are perhaps the least qualified members on the forum to demonstrate his techniques. He added that our execution of said technique was atrocious and this is not how he wanted his secrets revealed to the world. I’ll go into greater detail offline.

 

Dang. Feels like I got kicked in the MORADS GONADS.

[DShepley]

37 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

Dang. Feels like I got kicked in the MORADS GONADS.

I wonder how much bounce is on the flying wedge?

[Soloman1]

This topic inspired me to change my avatar.

[Zitlow]

The thing about casting is it introduces compensations. The radius gets too wide to soon, the shaft catches up with the left arm too soon, a couple feet behind the ball and the player has to EE just to make contact.

 

There are probably some tour players who cast. I think David Toms and KJ Choi are casters. Bottom line, you're the CEO of your own golf swing so if casting works for you then why fix it? 

 

 

 

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

The thing about casting is it introduces compensations. The radius gets too wide to soon, the shaft catches up with the left arm too soon, a couple feet behind the ball and the player has to EE just to make contact.

 

It's almost like you've never taught hundreds of golfers a year or something.

 

Nobody's telling someone who casts the club in a negative way like you described to "cast the club" even more or to keep doing it. But, in the context in which Monte uses "casting" and which I use whatever term I'm using to click with the student, it's an effective move that improves the golfer's ability to hit the ball well.

 

3 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

There are probably some tour players who cast. I think David Toms and KJ Choi are casters.

 

They line it up at impact. And in Monte's terms, or in mine, there are a lot more than that.

 

3 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

 

I don't honestly see that many golfers doing as he shows in that video. Almost all flippers actually don't cast early… they stall the pivot and flip the club late at it. "Casting" the right way often helps those players.

[MPStrat]

12 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

 

 

 

 

It’s interesting to hear the wildly different explanations of cause and effect in the golf swing. 

[johnrobison]

28 minutes ago, iacas said:

Almost all flippers actually don't cast early… they stall the pivot and flip the club late at it. "Casting" the right way often helps those players.

I'm no instructor but I see that all day long on the practice range

[johnrobison]

37 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

The thing about casting is it introduces compensations. The radius gets too wide to soon, the shaft catches up with the left arm too soon, a couple feet behind the ball and the player has to EE just to make contact.

And, the guy who told Monte that Mike Dunaway showed him the cast exactly as Monte teaches it??? Is that where you and Dunaway part ways?

[iacas]

7 minutes ago, johnrobison said:

I'm no instructor but I see that all day long on the practice range

 

Yeah, I almost never see the traditional "cast" where a player widens the wrists (and possibly the trail elbow) from the top. It's really rare in my experience.

[MonteScheinblum]

43 minutes ago, johnrobison said:

And, the guy who told Monte that Mike Dunaway showed him the cast exactly as Monte teaches it??? Is that where you and Dunaway part ways?

He doesn’t like the keep the back to the target feel either, or my idea of the shift left.

 

Considering the ideas I have about this came from Nicklaus saying keep your back to the target and you can’t release too early if you shift left.  He’s smarter than me, Nicklaus and his hero Dunnaway.  That’s pretty remarkable.

[Zitlow]

42 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

It’s interesting to hear the wildly different explanations of cause and effect in the golf swing. 

 

Yep, there are tons of ideas out there, some good some bad. To me it's a sign of weakness when people constantly seek validation or become agitated when someone disagrees with them. 

  

[MPStrat]

The truth of it is that there is more than one way to swing and looking at 3D measurements is great but they don’t always tell us what the golfer is actually doing to create them.

 

 

This is one of Milo’s students. I could post excellent before and afters from his account almost every day. And I mean real, dynamic motions. Not pieced together 25% effort drills that are easily contrived (not at all saying those drills don’t have their place, they just aren’t “after” swings) or still frames.
 

So for as much as he is accused of being wrong by the other side, he produces some really good results on the lesson tee. These are players of all ages, builds and skill levels. 
 

The reason I posted this golfers motion is because most of the golfers who post here could probably not wrap their mind around the intentions that would be required to make a swing that even mildly resembles what this player is doing with his arms and body. The reason they would have such a hard time is because they are constantly told that these intentions are wrong and “most golfers need to do x”  “it’s been measured” so they have strong biases that keep their minds closed.  
 

I want to make very clear, this isn’t the “correct” or superior way to swing a golf club for everyone. I think that’s where Milo sometimes says, “there is more than one way to swing”. Rory Mcilroy doesn’t swing this way. Chris Kirk doesn’t swing this way. But I could make an extremely long list of golfers on tour who do more of what Milo prefers and an extremely long list of golfers on tour who do more of what the other side prefers.  
 

IMO both sides are doing and saying a lot of the right things but they don’t emphasize enough that there are great players who swing and great coaches who teach differently from what they prefer. I’m not saying they never say it, they just don’t say it enough and they generally aren’t transparent that they have their own set of preferences. 

[MPStrat]

3 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

 

Yep, there are tons of ideas out there, some good some bad. To me it's a sign of weakness when people constantly seek validation or become agitated when someone disagrees with them. 

  

Well said 

[MonteScheinblum]

Irony

Identifying character weakness of an individual by those with intent to create character weakness in that individual.

 

Credibility level…….donut.

[MPStrat]

4 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Irony

Identifying character weakness of an individual by those with intent to create character weakness in that individual.

 

Credibility level…….donut.

Pay attention to those who are constantly snapping back and gnawing vs those who right or wrong state their case assertively but calmly and reasonably. I think it’s fair to say that says something. 

[iacas]

13 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Irony

Identifying character weakness of an individual by those with intent to create character weakness in that individual.

 

Credibility level…….donut.

 

Bingo.

 

Once again, one cannot "disagree" that 2 + 2 = 4 while trying to peddle that 2 + 2 = a pineapple.

[MonteScheinblum]

10 minutes ago, MPStrat said:

Pay attention to those who are constantly snapping back and gnawing vs those who right or wrong state their case assertively but calmly and reasonably. I think it’s fair to say that says something. 

Transparency.  You have been exposed as having a personal issue with me by the PM’s you have sent to multiple members as having an intent to expose me.  That’s fine if that makes you happy.  Your Laurel and Hardy act with Zitlow is usually as irritating as a mosquito bite and I laugh.  Today, when my 80 year old mom and my 15 year old diabetic son are having health issues, the act is tired and you two have in fact annoyed the crap out of me.  Everyone knows the two of you have issues with me, you don’t hide it very well.  Congratulations, you win., I’m annoyed and flustered.  You and your sidekick win the human beings of the year award.

[MPStrat]

1 minute ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Transparency.  You have been exposed as having a personal issue with me by the PM’s you have sent to multiple members as having an intent to expose me.  That’s fine if that makes you happy.  Your Laurel and Hardy act with Zitlow is usually as irritating as a mosquito bite and I laugh.  Today, when my 80 year old mom and my 15 year old diabetic son are having health issues, the act is tired and you two have in fact annoyed the crap out of me.  Everyone knows the two of you have issues with me, you don’t hide it very well.  Congratulations, you win., I’m annoyed and flustered.  You and your sidekick win the human beings of the year award.

 

That sucks. I pray for the best with your family stuff, Monte. 

[virtuoso]

Unfortunately a private video of my personal conversation with Iacas is going to be leaked to the public....or so I've been told by a source on deep background. I have decided to publish the video myself,  in its entirety, in an effort to at least make sure it isn't subject to creative editing. Please do not take anything said here out of context. I probably won't be making further comments on the video's content so take that for what it's worth. 

 

 

Edited January 31 by virtuoso

[johnrobison]

12 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

Unfortunately a leaked video of my personal conversation with Iacas is going to be leaked to the public....or so I've been told by a source on deep background. I have decided to publish the video myself,  in its entirety, in an effort to at least make sure it isn't subject to creative editing. Please do not take anything said here out of context. I probably won't be making further comments on the video's content so take that for what it's worth. 

 

 

The dreaded "you're out" phone call 😨

[jonsnow]

1 hour ago, virtuoso said:

Unfortunately a private video of my personal conversation with Iacas is going to be leaked to the public....or so I've been told by a source on deep background. I have decided to publish the video myself,  in its entirety, in an effort to at least make sure it isn't subject to creative editing. Please do not take anything said here out of context. I probably won't be making further comments on the video's content so take that for what it's worth. 

 

 

Thanks for closed captioning this so I could go through it at work. Do you know if Shine Bloom has had any personal contact yet? Maybe he's got another piece? Or maybe Shine Bloom is the 10th chicken & the rest of us just fill out 3-9?

Edited January 31 by jonsnow

[virtuoso]

27 minutes ago, jonsnow said:

Thanks for closed captioning this so I could go through it at work. Do you know if Shine Bloom has had any personal contact yet? Maybe he's got another piece? Or maybe Shine Bloom is the 10th chicken & the rest of us just fill out 3-9?

Interesting, I didn't even know that I had closed caption'd it. I guess the subtitles called Monte--Shine Bloom.