AI-One Broomstick vs LAB Broomstick

[Cheesehead42]

Has anyone compared the AI-One #7 CS Broomstick putter with the LAB's? The shaft seems to enter in a similar spot to the LAB so was wondering if they are also equally stable?

 

They are 1/3 the price and easier to look at as well. 

[Ivyguy]

Ehhhhh.  
 

I think there’s more engineering in the LAB shape (Than what meets the eye?). 
 

only way to know for sure is to try both, but that lie balance thing is different

[ChaosTheory]

@Cheesehead42

That design tells me that finally Odyssey has begun to understand how a long putter should be engineered. I love face progression in a long putter, whether broom or face on.  I think we will find that it has very little torque.  Not enough to matter anyway.

[Bunkersarebigcups]

I mean, L.A.B. uses their balancing by hand on every single putter, as grip, shaft, length and lie angle all influence this.

 

So NO, the Callaway probably will not stay square by itself, the L.A.B. does.

[flubberlange]

The LAB is balanced at the designated lie angle. The Odyssey (or any other putter) is NOT balanced at the designated lie angle. What this means is that, as long as the putter stays at the designated lie angle, the putter will not twist.

[Cheesehead42]

2 hours ago, flubberlange said:

The LAB is balanced at the designated lie angle. The Odyssey (or any other putter) is NOT balanced at the designated lie angle. What this means is that, as long as the putter stays at the designated lie angle, the putter will not twist.

My assumption is that since Odyssey is not allowing for custom lie angles or grips like LAB, the stock version is balanced. I cannot find one on a shelf to confirm though. 

[Bunkersarebigcups]

4 hours ago, Cheesehead42 said:

My assumption is that since Odyssey is not allowing for custom lie angles or grips like LAB, the stock version is balanced. I cannot find one on a shelf to confirm though. 

I highly doubt it, but it is possible

[TonyRo]

[flubberlange]

20 hours ago, Cheesehead42 said:

My assumption is that since Odyssey is not allowing for custom lie angles or grips like LAB, the stock version is balanced. I cannot find one on a shelf to confirm though. 

Incorrect. The Odyssey will NOT be LIE ANGLE balanced at the designated lie angle - even the stock version. It will likely be balanced when the shaft is held horizontally but not at the designated playing lie angle.

 

[ChaosTheory]

On 4/12/2024 at 7:03 AM, flubberlange said:

Incorrect. The Odyssey will NOT be LIE ANGLE balanced at the designated lie angle - even the stock version. It will likely be balanced when the shaft is held horizontally but not at the designated playing lie angle.

 

 

You can't know this.  It could very easily be balanced at the lie angle.  All that takes is having a straight shaft that goes into the center of gravity of the head.  It's not hard to do, if a designer wants to.

[5hort5tuff]

It will be pretty darn close imo. At 1/3 of the price...I would be using this instead of the Mezz personally. 

[mjf34g]

Lab works for some not others. As in all things golf equipment a lot of is purely marketing.  If Lab was transformational everyone would use one. Its science is just another way to putt. YMMV.

[Bunkersarebigcups]

8 minutes ago, mjf34g said:

Lab works for some not others. As in all things golf equipment a lot of is purely marketing.  If Lab was transformational everyone would use one. Its science is just another way to putt. YMMV.

Tbh, if you Look at where LAB is coming from (a niche brand 3 years ago), then everybody IS using it. They went from „a company that makes ugly putters“ to being in multiple bags on tour and winning there in a relatively short time. Nobody went out and had their product in everybodys bag in 2 seconds

 

And their putters are transformational 😉

Edited April 14 by Bunkersarebigcups

[mjf34g]

20 hours ago, Bunkersarebigcups said:

Tbh, if you Look at where LAB is coming from (a niche brand 3 years ago), then everybody IS using it. They went from „a company that makes ugly putters“ to being in multiple bags on tour and winning there in a relatively short time. Nobody went out and had their product in everybodys bag in 2 seconds

 

And their putters are transformational 😉

Karstens putters were transformational. Odyssey's inserts at the time were also. I highly doubt Lab will ever reach the usage levels of Ping, Odyssey et al. Would the current rage of the mid length Jailbirds qualify as "transformational"? Thers a hell of a lot more of those on Tour vs Lab. Its just, like Lab another way to putt. 

And you as a user of Lab will defend it as a breakthrough because its helped with your putting and that's great.  But if you had tried say a Jailbird and it transformed your putting you'd be singing its praises.  Glad that Lab is working for you. Have a great day. 

[remlap13]

I still can't find the Ai-One broomstick in Canada... 

 

EDIT: Nevermind! On the Callaway website... I had been checking weekly for ages before this!

Edited April 15 by remlap13

[br61]

I ordered one this afternoon. It's classified as pre-order for now but I did see an option for standard lie angle or 1 or 2 degrees upright or flat lie angles. I ordered it at standard lie angle at 46" in length. I did try LAB putter but I'm not sure if it's what I would like to use.

 

[labgolf]

While this model is relatively low torque, it is definitely not lie angle balanced. The different configurations (broom/armlock/conventional) all balance a little differently as they do not change the shaft location or alter CG to accommodate all the different lie angles and leans. With the way they manufacture putters, it would be impossible for them to balance as precisely as we do. And thats not a knock on them! its just not what they do and wouldn't fit into their model.  Its probably a decent way to dip your toe in the water of the torque revolution but we've taken to performance of this concept much further. They've sent these to all the LAB guys out on tour and so far nobody has switched if that tells you anything...  But honestly, pretty amazing to see the tech finally on their radar.

[Mike_C]

On 4/11/2024 at 10:30 AM, Cheesehead42 said:

My assumption is that since Odyssey is not allowing for custom lie angles or grips like LAB, the stock version is balanced. I cannot find one on a shelf to confirm though. 

Custom Lie and length available....but not grip.