Dispute

[gripANDrip1983]

Rocklinsam bought a tour issued spider x from me, demanded a refund for a “caved in face”, I refused the refund because the face was fine, typical wear on a Taylormade putter insert. Then he got a refund through PayPal and won’t send me the putter back. Am I just completely screwed on this?

Edited June 11 by gripANDrip1983

[golffeen007]

Not screwed , should reach out to Paypal. The buyer should have to supply tracking info, Paypal may have even provided them with a shipping label. 

 

@rocklinsam What you got to say for yourself? 

Edited June 11 by golffeen007

[gripANDrip1983]

He just texted me back with this

[jblough99]

4 posts in 3 years and no feedback is all I need to see about this buyer.  I’m to the point now where I will only sell to established members who have a good standing reputation with some sort of feedback history.  This forum is slowly being taken over by this type of member.

[golffeen007]

3 minutes ago, gripANDrip1983 said:

He just texted me back with this

Whether it's dented or not, if paypal made him whole with the refund , he has to send the putter back to you..wth is he thinking.... get the cash and keep the putter too was not an option.

[gripANDrip1983]

1 minute ago, jblough99 said:

4 posts in 3 years and no feedback is all I need to see about this buyer.  I’m to the point now where I will only sell to established members who have a good standing reputation with some sort of feedback history.  This forum is slowly being taken over by this type of member.

Unfortunately I’ve learned this the hard way. I was assuming since I was selling that I shouldn’t have to worry about that. Only with dealing with trades but I now see to be very cautious even selling at this point. I’m out $285 and he either sold the putter or is holding on to it considering it was a beautiful putter.

[gripANDrip1983]

2 minutes ago, golffeen007 said:

Whether it's dented or not, if paypal made him whole with the refund , he has to send the putter back to you..wth is he thinking.... get the cash and keep the putter too was not an option.

It sucks. I now realize that was prolly his plan the whole time. Well I’m about to sell a really cool tour issue Odyssey to recoup my losses. 

[golffeen007]

3 minutes ago, gripANDrip1983 said:

It sucks. I now realize that was prolly his plan the whole time. Well I’m about to sell a really cool tour issue Odyssey to recoup my losses. 

Why would you not call Paypal and let them know the case they solved in favor of the buyer , that he isn't sending the product back? Something seems very odd here?

Edited June 11 by golffeen007

[rocklinsam]

Let me be very clear. The putter face is indented. I will send a photo of the face. I offered plenty of times when I recieved the putter to send it back for refund. He did not trust me with saying it was indented as I got professional opinions from my head pro and member who is a second hand taylormade rep. They all agreed. I offered to him plenty of times to return it for refund and he told me to just go ahead and sell it back to someone else and say that it is normal wear. As a hardcore golfer, that doesn’t sit right with me. I will not sell something that is defective and say that it is normal wear. And as a golfer for me I bought this putter to play tournaments with and I cannot use it because the indentation in the middle of the face. I had plenty of people tell me to file a claim to PayPal and I ended up doing that. The claim also is run back to the buyer and he never contacted them back. I eventually got my money back. Now he is requesting me to send it back as I asked him to do before. I will send photos of the indent and our chats

[gripANDrip1983]

I did try but they’re telling me because the case is closed because they tried reaching out to me but the only message I’ve gotten from them was today saying they refunded him the money. Im definitely not done fighting it 

[rocklinsam]

[gripANDrip1983]

1 minute ago, rocklinsam said:

Let me be very clear. The putter face is indented. I will send a photo of the face. I offered plenty of times when I recieved the putter to send it back for refund. He did not trust me with saying it was indented as I got professional opinions from my head pro and member who is a second hand taylormade rep. They all agreed. I offered to him plenty of times to return it for refund and he told me to just go ahead and sell it back to someone else and say that it is normal wear. As a hardcore golfer, that doesn’t sit right with me. I will not sell something that is defective and say that it is normal wear. And as a golfer for me I bought this putter to play tournaments with and I cannot use it because the indentation in the middle of the face. I had plenty of people tell me to file a claim to PayPal and I ended up doing that. The claim also is run back to the buyer and he never contacted them back. I eventually got my money back. Now he is requesting me to send it back as I asked him to do before. I will send photos of the indent and our chats

Send me the putter then. What’s the problem. Is it because you don’t have it anymore? I’ll be glad to post pictures of the face before the sell and once I get it back.

[golffeen007]

2 minutes ago, rocklinsam said:

Let me be very clear. The putter face is indented. I will send a photo of the face. I offered plenty of times when I recieved the putter to send it back for refund. He did not trust me with saying it was indented as I got professional opinions from my head pro and member who is a second hand taylormade rep. They all agreed. I offered to him plenty of times to return it for refund and he told me to just go ahead and sell it back to someone else and say that it is normal wear. As a hardcore golfer, that doesn’t sit right with me. I will not sell something that is defective and say that it is normal wear. And as a golfer for me I bought this putter to play tournaments with and I cannot use it because the indentation in the middle of the face. I had plenty of people tell me to file a claim to PayPal and I ended up doing that. The claim also is run back to the buyer and he never contacted them back. I eventually got my money back. Now he is requesting me to send it back as I asked him to do before. I will send photos of the indent and our chats

You have to send the putter back no matter what , after you get a refund!? You don't get a refund and say to hell with sending it back because I'm mad he made me file a claim.. What's your reasoning for that? 

[gripANDrip1983]

Dude that insert did not like like that when I sold it to you. It had typical pure roll wear but it was not dented like that. I would never sell that. I have good reviews on my account. Go look at them

[golffeen007]

3 minutes ago, rocklinsam said:

TM can replace the face and the seller can resell at his own loss , but you can't keep the putter and the money.. 

[gripANDrip1983]

Look at the pics guys. Does it look like the same condition as when I sold it. Not even close. 

[rocklinsam]

I am not selling the putter nor will I. I have contacted taylormade about fixing it and there is nothing they can do about it. I don’t plan on selling it to make my money back. He sold me a defective product and I am not gonna sell it to someone else because of that

 

[gripANDrip1983]

2 minutes ago, golffeen007 said:

TM can replace the face and the seller can resell at his own loss , but you can't keep the putter and the money.. 

he needs to just admit that he’s a crook at this point. The insert did not look like that when I sold it

[gripANDrip1983]

Just now, rocklinsam said:

I am not selling the putter nor will I. I have contacted taylormade about fixing it and there is nothing they can do about it. I don’t plan on selling it to make my money back. He sold me a defective product and I am not gonna sell it to someone else because of that

 

SEND THE PUTTER BACK THEN

[rocklinsam]

Here is the taylormade warranty people about getting the face being swapped out as well as the PayPal saying the seller didn’t respond back

 

[golffeen007]

Just now, rocklinsam said:

I am not selling the putter nor will I. I have contacted taylormade about fixing it and there is nothing they can do about it. I don’t plan on selling it to make my money back. He sold me a defective product and I am not gonna sell it to someone else because of that

 

YOU HAVE TO SEND THE PUTTER BACK TO THE SELLER now that you got a refund!!!

How is that so hard to understand??

Otherwise , your admitting to stealing if you're saying your not sending it back, no matter what the quable was about in the beginning... 

@gripANDrip1983 Did you get a MOD involved?  

[gripANDrip1983]

3 minutes ago, golffeen007 said:

YOU HAVE TO SEND THE PUTTER BACK TO THE SELLER now that you got a refund!!!

How is that so hard to understand??

Otherwise , your admitting to stealing if you're saying your not sending it back, no matter what the quable was about in the beginning... 

@gripANDrip1983 Did you get a MOD involved?  

I messaged one and am waiting for a response 

[Greenie]

7 minutes ago, rocklinsam said:

Let me be very clear. The putter face is indented. I will send a photo of the face. I offered plenty of times when I recieved the putter to send it back for refund. He did not trust me with saying it was indented as I got professional opinions from my head pro and member who is a second hand taylormade rep. They all agreed. I offered to him plenty of times to return it for refund and he told me to just go ahead and sell it back to someone else and say that it is normal wear. As a hardcore golfer, that doesn’t sit right with me. I will not sell something that is defective and say that it is normal wear. And as a golfer for me I bought this putter to play tournaments with and I cannot use it because the indentation in the middle of the face. I had plenty of people tell me to file a claim to PayPal and I ended up doing that. The claim also is run back to the buyer and he never contacted them back. I eventually got my money back. Now he is requesting me to send it back as I asked him to do before. I will send photos of the indent and our chats

When two parties have issues with a sale and can't agree on a solution this is why you dispute it through PP. You let PP decide. PP decided in your favor. You talk about "that doesn't sit it right with me". Does not sending back the putter sit right with you?  You were refunded. Now send the putter back. 

[GwrxMod]

Personal attacks will not be tolerated. 

 

@rocklinsam You've been refunded. Send the putter back and be done with this. 

 

Involved parties can contact me to unlock this for updates.  

 

Edited June 11 by GwrxMod

[GwrxMod]

I'm reopening this for more feedback from the WRX gallery. Keep it civil.

 

[Valtiel]

So the buyer feels entitled to keep everything now because the seller didn't respond to the Paypal dispute? Possibly a bit of a tactical error by @gripANDrip1983 given how the Paypal return system works, but a super scummy moral issue for a buyer who is basically saying "i've got your money and your stuff, tough luck". 

IMO the only thing that matters is the seller gets the putter back, because that is what's supposed to happen here. If the buyer hides behind "you never responded!" then I hope the $285 can buy a conscience. 

[nsxguy]

1 hour ago, rocklinsam said:

I am not selling the putter nor will I. I have contacted taylormade about fixing it and there is nothing they can do about it. I don’t plan on selling it to make my money back. He sold me a defective product and I am not gonna sell it to someone else because of that

 

 

1 hour ago, rocklinsam said:

Here is the taylormade warranty people about getting the face being swapped out as well as the PayPal saying the seller didn’t respond back

 

 

You seem to be missing the point my young friend.

 

As has already been noted by others, YOU have been made whole. You've gotten your money back.

 

They have also told you the putter is no longer YOURS.

 

Yet you have AVOIDED the issue of returning the (defective) putter.

 

So when are you sending it back ?

[gripANDrip1983]

4 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

 

You seem to be missing the point my young friend.

 

As has already been noted by others, YOU have been made whole. You've gotten your money back.

 

They have also told you the putter is no longer YOURS.

 

Yet you have AVOIDED the issue of returning the (defective) putter.

 

So when are you sending it back ?

He’s not sending it back. I have to take the loss because I didn’t respond to PayPal. The problem with PayPal is I don’t get on there unless I’m making a sell or purchase. PayPal only sent me a text today informing me of a debt I now owe them. I’ve accepted the loss and learned my lesson to only sell to experienced wrxer’s. Hopefully the only good thing that can come out of this is for everyone to spread the word about the con artist that scammed me out of $285. 

[gripANDrip1983]

9 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

 

You seem to be missing the point my young friend.

 

As has already been noted by others, YOU have been made whole. You've gotten your money back.

 

They have also told you the putter is no longer YOURS.

 

Yet you have AVOIDED the issue of returning the (defective) putter.

 

So when are you sending it back ?

It looks like he also got 30% off his next Taylormade driver too.🤦🏻

[nsxguy]

4 minutes ago, gripANDrip1983 said:

He’s not sending it back.

 

I'm sorry, did I miss that elsewhere in the thread ?

 

I noticed him avoiding saying anything about returning the putter but I didn't see where he said that he wasn't going to.