Tour Camilo Villegas' custom Cameron putter - 2024 Barracuda Championship

[GolfWRX_Spotted]

[QuigleyDU]

I am guessing Lab loved this onez

[StoutKing]

Copying L.A.B. now?

[TM golf guy]

Second person to put one like this in play. Definitely want to hear more info on it. 

[third-times-a-charm]

51 minutes ago, TM golf guy said:

Second person to put one like this in play. Definitely want to hear more info on it. 

I guess it's like a LAB but doesnt look like trash.

[BYK]

JT will be the next player with this one.

 

Is it balanced like a LAB?

[03trdblack]

23 minutes ago, BYK said:

JT will be the next player with this one.

 

Is it balanced like a LAB?

 

I'm sure there is less torque but there is no way it's balanced.  

[tatertot]

2 hours ago, StoutKing said:

Copying L.A.B. now?

C'mon ... everybody knew this was coming.

[StoutKing]

2 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

 

I'm sure there is less torque but there is no way it's balanced.  

If there's a minute amount of torque does it really matter?  I wonder...

[TiScape]

Saw the pics and put the over/under on LAB references at 4 prior to seeing any of the 8 responses…WRX didn’t disappoint! 

 

🤣

 

*GIF below added by the WRX algorithm, not me 😇

[AmateurAmateur]

Was so upset he WD’d from US Open sectionals I was dying to get an inperson look at his WITB. 

[taylor2325]

1 hour ago, TiScape said:

Saw the pics and put the over/under on LAB references at 4 prior to seeing any of the 8 responses…WRX didn’t disappoint! 

 

🤣

 

*GIF below added by the WRX algorithm, not me 😇

Don't you know that LAB invented center-shafted putters?

Edited July 16 by taylor2325

[StoutKing]

21 minutes ago, taylor2325 said:

Don't you know that LAB invented center-shafted putters?

Lie angle balancing not center shafted.  Look, if SC wants to copy another company it is what it is.  He builds solid copies.  I like his products minus the cherry bombs.  LAB did pioneer the technology however.

[taylor2325]

9 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Lie angle balancing not center shafted.  Look, if SC wants to copy another company it is what it is.  He builds solid copies.  I like his products minus the cherry bombs.  LAB did pioneer the technology however.

I don't think anyone has said whether it was meant to be balanced? Has Scotty, Camillo, Higo, anyone using this putter, said that explicitly? 

[StoutKing]

1 minute ago, taylor2325 said:

I don't think anyone has said whether it was meant to be balanced? Has Scotty, Camillo, Higo, anyone using this putter, said that explicitly? 

Look, I would just be speculating.  It would make sense however that the putter would have less torque based on copying the shaft placement, and the fact that Camillo and Higgo were using LAB this year.  If it was a regular center shafted putter then I'd say it's not a copy, but it looks to be a copy of LAB's main technology.

[taylor2325]

28 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Look, I would just be speculating.  It would make sense however that the putter would have less torque based on copying the shaft placement, and the fact that Camillo and Higgo were using LAB this year.  If it was a regular center shafted putter then I'd say it's not a copy, but it looks to be a copy of LAB's main technology.

Is this not the same 'tech' (shaft onset?) that plenty of other putter manufactures use or have used though? Axis, Odyssey Backstryke, Byron Morgan, etc.?

 

I won't disagree that it's likely modeled after LAB and their tech, but this is nothing new. 

Edited July 16 by taylor2325

[RangeBaller]

37 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Lie angle balancing not center shafted.  Look, if SC wants to copy another company it is what it is.  He builds solid copies.  I like his products minus the cherry bombs.  LAB did pioneer the technology however.

I'm not an anti-labber, but I see so many rushing to defend the honor of LAB and Sam Hahn when in reality the concept predates LAB.  J.L. Lewis and Greg Norman both played "gravity balanced" putters designed by Bobby Grace long before.  These were prototypes and extremely rare, Greg sold his at a charity auction a few years back.  

 

I do not dispute that LAB is doing a novel thing with customizable lie angles, their own head shape designs, and weighting system, but they are far from the first to think of balancing a putter this way.  

[StoutKing]

8 hours ago, taylor2325 said:

Is this not the same 'tech' (shaft onset?) that plenty of other putter manufactures use or have used though? Axis, Odyssey Backstryke, Byron Morgan, etc.?

 

I won't disagree that it's likely modeled after LAB and their tech, but this is nothing new. 

Scotty Cameron is great at copying.  Credit due.  First PING, now L.A.B.

[03trdblack]

8 hours ago, RangeBaller said:

I'm not an anti-labber, but I see so many rushing to defend the honor of LAB and Sam Hahn when in reality the concept predates LAB.  J.L. Lewis and Greg Norman both played "gravity balanced" putters designed by Bobby Grace long before.  These were prototypes and extremely rare, Greg sold his at a charity auction a few years back.  

 

I do not dispute that LAB is doing a novel thing with customizable lie angles, their own head shape designs, and weighting system, but they are far from the first to think of balancing a putter this way.  

 

While the concept of having a shaft drilled into the center of gravity of the putter isn't new, the concept of properly weighting the putter so that it remains square towards the target is owned by Lab golf and their patents.  I have one of the Bobby Grace gravity balanced putters and it's awesome for sure, but it doesn't align towards the target and in fact, rotates completely away from the target.  The torque however is still much less than a regular putter for sure.

 

 

I'm in the camp of enjoying what all companies try and do with their putter designs but stay disappointed in Scotty Cameron in really not taking any sort of charge in really innovating anything.  He (they) wait to see what other companies are doing and what becomes popular, and then make a version of their own much later on.  It's easy to come out with something that looks a little better or changes some of the things that some people don't like after you've had a chance to see what others have already done to become successful.  The Scotty Xerox reputation lives on.

[taylor2325]

52 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

 

While the concept of having a shaft drilled into the center of gravity of the putter isn't new, the concept of properly weighting the putter so that it remains square towards the target is owned by Lab golf and their patents.  I have one of the Bobby Grace gravity balanced putters and it's awesome for sure, but it doesn't align towards the target and in fact, rotates completely away from the target.  The torque however is still much less than a regular putter for sure.

 

 

I'm in the camp of enjoying what all companies try and do with their putter designs but stay disappointed in Scotty Cameron in really not taking any sort of charge in really innovating anything.  He (they) wait to see what other companies are doing and what becomes popular, and then make a version of their own much later on.  It's easy to come out with something that looks a little better or changes some of the things that some people don't like after you've had a chance to see what others have already done to become successful.  The Scotty Xerox reputation lives on.

Absolutely spot on. Everyone else innovates and releases original designs constantly. I cannot believe that Titleist and Acushnet put up with this sort of complacency from Scotty. 

 

Almost forgot....../s

Edited July 16 by taylor2325

[StoutKing]

52 minutes ago, taylor2325 said:

Absolutely spot on. Everyone else innovates and releases original designs constantly. I cannot believe that Titleist and Acushnet put up with this sort of complacency from Scotty. 

 

Almost forgot....../s

Agree 100%.  If Titleist would put out some Titleist branded putters I'd be all in.  I just don't want a SC putter that's over branded with cherry bombs.  No thanks

[bertsbogeys]

16 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Agree 100%.  If Titleist would put out some Titleist branded putters I'd be all in.  I just don't want a SC putter that's over branded with cherry bombs.  No thanks

There hasn't been Cherry Bombs for the last few iterations. I will say SC putters have lacked the same character they had when he started, since about 2012

[StoutKing]

17 minutes ago, bertsbogeys said:

There hasn't been Cherry Bombs for the last few iterations. I will say SC putters have lacked the same character they had when he started, since about 2012

When I say cherry bombs I mean three holes in the cavity.  Seems like they've gotten even bigger.  All I'm asking for is Titleist branded putters with no SC branding.

[TiScape]

13 hours ago, StoutKing said:

Look, I would just be speculating.  It would make sense however that the putter would have less torque based on copying the shaft placement, and the fact that Camillo and Higgo were using LAB this year.  If it was a regular center shafted putter then I'd say it's not a copy, but *it looks to be a copy of LAB's main technology.

So what?! EVERY single OEM has “copied” the Anser and MANY other putter designs. Only one CONSTANTLY gets called out for it.  

Take a design, refine it and arguably improve it. Been going on in all of design/manufacturing forever. Period 

And do I like SC putters? Absolutely. I also like and appreciate many other putter manufacturers. It’s just the predictable responses in almost every SC thread is just so tired IMO.
But hey, whatever. I’ve said my peace. Ppl can obviously comment how they so desire 😊

Edited July 16 by TiScape

[RangeBaller]

4 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

 

While the concept of having a shaft drilled into the center of gravity of the putter isn't new, the concept of properly weighting the putter so that it remains square towards the target is owned by Lab golf and their patents.  I have one of the Bobby Grace gravity balanced putters and it's awesome for sure, but it doesn't align towards the target and in fact, rotates completely away from the target.  The torque however is still much less than a regular putter for sure.

 

 

Actually that's not the design I was referring to.  To be transparent, I have a Mezz and one of the BG prototypes and I can tell you they are both absolutely lie angle balanced.  If I ever get my hands on a revealer I'd be happy to demonstrate 🙂

 

Let's be real, having a patent does not mean you came up with the idea, it just means you have a patent.  The U.S. Patent system is riddled with examples of unoriginal ideas being credited to someone who got there first (see Thomas Edison).

 

My point is not to knock or make any claims against LAB (I own their products), I'm just saying the idea of lie angle balancing on a putter pre-dates them and all those heralding LAB as the inventors of such a concept are misinformed.

[StoutKing]

1 hour ago, TiScape said:

So what?! EVERY single OEM has “copied” the Anser and MANY other putter designs. Only one CONSTANTLY gets called out for it.  

Take a design, refine it and arguably improve it. Been going on in all of design/manufacturing forever. Period 

And do I like SC putters? Absolutely. I also like and appreciate many other putter manufacturers. It’s just the predictable responses in almost every SC thread is just so tired IMO.
But hey, whatever. I’ve said my peace. Ppl can obviously comment how they so desire 😊

 

With all due respect Ti, and you're one of the best posters on here, PING did not copy most of their designs.  In fact, from Scotty Cameron's special release today, every single one of those designs are copies of Karsten Solheim's work.  It is what it is.  Just the facts

[03trdblack]

7 minutes ago, RangeBaller said:

I have a Mezz and one of the BG prototypes and I can tell you they are both absolutely lie angle balanced.

 

Can you post pictures of the BG Prototype putter?

[TiScape]

33 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

With all due respect Ti, and you're one of the best posters on here, PING did not copy most of their designs.  In fact, from Scotty Cameron's special release today, every single one of those designs are copies of Karsten Solheim's work.  It is what it is.  Just the facts

Ping no (well the Tyne 4/Odyssey 7 does come to mind as an exception! 😜), but essentially every other OEM has and does. And only SC gets 💩 for it. Obviously bcs ppl like to hate on the most successful as they make the biggest 🎯! When it comes to SC I like to say…

Edited July 16 by TiScape

[StoutKing]

27 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Ping no (well the Tyne 4/Odyssey 7 does come to mind as an exception! 😜), but essentially every other OEM has and does. And only SC gets 💩 for it. Obviously bcs ppl like to hate on the most successful as they make the biggest 🎯! When it comes to SC I like to say…

Copying Karsten was a good business strategy.  Props for getting rich off Karsten's ideas.  Hope Scotty can win more tour events and majors again like the old days.

[TiScape]

15 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Copying Karsten was a good business strategy.  Props for getting rich off Karsten's ideas.  Hope Scotty can win more tour events and majors again like the old days.

Absolutely! And to ur statement, he gonna sell boatloads of putters and make tons of 💰 either way! 😊