Mac O'Grady's Swing ... what can we learn?

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='PJ1120' timestamp='1402584421' post='9480081']
DAROM=MORAD spelled backwards. Mike McNary used to post a DAROM 54
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There are also some facebook accounts named MORAD DAROM. The writing looks like it may be from Quatar. Ive been there a few times. Maybe I should return to continue the search for that magical pattern lol.

[tylerdurden]

WOW WHAT A THREAD

[tembolo1284]

Tyler you should participate sir!

[tylerdurden]

Lol I'd like to but have nothing to add.. My pivot needs a lot of the help that Lake 8i and siteseer already mentioned. Time for work!!

[virtuoso]

More Mac O'Grady work--circa Sept 10th 1986

Working on transition side bending, monitoring pivot speed, maintaining second axis tilt, forearm separation, and trying to reduce dorsiflex from P1 to P3.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plmxms3J944&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plmxms3J944&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKphz2zVlQ&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKphz2zVlQ&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ[/url]

[tembolo1284]

What time would we say mac had the best swing?

[virtuoso]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403097113' post='9522659']
What time would we say mac had the best swing?
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My favorite is mid 86 through about 94ish. I'm sure Mac would say something different since he went on to develop his theories quite a bit more.

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403105536' post='9524097']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403097113' post='9522659']
What time would we say mac had the best swing?
[/quote]

My favorite is mid 86 through about 94ish. I'm sure Mac would say something different since he went on to develop his theories quite a bit more.
[/quote]

What makes that period your favorite? Just the look of the motion or something else?

[virtuoso]

About 3 or 4 minor issues left to resolve but getting a little closer. The transition still needs work and the club and left elbow re-hinge at P8-P9 is still out of sequence. Also, still not saving the right arm to P8 and slinging/rolling.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWAkPWWYkYg&feature=youtu.be[/media]

[tembolo1284]

What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve?

[virtuoso]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175']
What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve?
[/quote]

All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade.

I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy.

[tembolo1284]

do you want the ball to start online, pull, or push slightly before it fades a bit?

[virtuoso]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106716' post='9524267']
do you want the ball to start online, pull, or push slightly before it fades a bit?
[/quote]

Right down the pipe and then have a fairly flat peak as it moves right a smidge.

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235']
[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175']
What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve?
[/quote]

All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade.

I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy.
[/quote]

Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go.

[virtuoso]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403108033' post='9524441'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175'] What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve? [/quote] All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade. I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy. [/quote] Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go. [/quote]

I "feel" like I'm sitting my butt down backwards towards my left heel before I have any forward rotation of the knees, hips or shoulders, but I doubt there is any actual movement at all. At that same time, I feel like I'm squeezing my forearms togther also.

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403108516' post='9524539']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403108033' post='9524441'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175'] What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve? [/quote] All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade. I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy. [/quote] Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go. [/quote]

I "feel" like I'm sitting my butt down backwards towards my left heel before I have any forward rotation of the knees, hips or shoulders, but I doubt there is any actual movement at all. At that same time, I feel like I'm squeezing my forearms togther also.
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But i digress...u said move cop at the heel. Sounds good. Got a vid of it?

[hoganfan924]

[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403108516' post='9524539']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403108033' post='9524441'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175'] What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve? [/quote] All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade. I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy. [/quote] Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go. [/quote]

I "feel" like I'm sitting my butt down backwards towards my left heel before I have any forward rotation of the knees, hips or shoulders, but I doubt there is any actual movement at all. At that same time, I feel like I'm squeezing my forearms togther also.
[/quote]

Fine looking swing. This sounds a bit like the "Snead squat" which Mac teaches (or at least did at one time). I too, think that his swing in '86 was probably his best (of what I've been able to see). I have that old, grainy video he took in '86 in Palm Springs wearing the white shorts and T-shirt. Great swing, IMO.

[Siteseer2]

[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403108516' post='9524539']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403108033' post='9524441'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175'] What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve? [/quote] All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade. I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy. [/quote] Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go. [/quote]

I "feel" like I'm sitting my butt down backwards towards my left heel before I have any forward rotation of the knees, hips or shoulders, but I doubt there is any actual movement at all. At that same time, I feel like I'm squeezing my forearms togther also.
[/quote]
thats called left anterior pelvic tilt...happens at p 3.9 into p4.2, and it sets off a stretch shortening cycle which allows the left hip and left oblques to go into powerful extension, and helps with external rotation and adduction of left hip. It is NOT a sit down with butt...that gets right hip too low....right hip should be higher than left at p4, and compression of left anterior pelvic tilt is a one-sided move to set off the pouncing cat move of the left side...jat

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='Siteseer2' timestamp='1403110538' post='9524843']
thats called left anterior pelvic tilt...happens at p 3.9 into p4.2, and it sets off a stretch shortening cycle which allows the left hip and left oblques to go into powerful extension, and helps with external rotation and adduction of left hip. It is NOT a sit down with butt...that gets right hip too low....right hip should be higher than left at p4, and compression of left anterior pelvic tilt is a one-sided move to set off the pouncing cat move of the left side...jat
[/quote]

Sight...is this a cause of the lordosis move you mentioned earlier in your other post? The Lake "Wrist Alignments" video comes to mind (target side view of Mac).

[Siteseer2]

[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403111341' post='9524965']
[quote name='Siteseer2' timestamp='1403110538' post='9524843']
thats called left anterior pelvic tilt...happens at p 3.9 into p4.2, and it sets off a stretch shortening cycle which allows the left hip and left oblques to go into powerful extension, and helps with external rotation and adduction of left hip. It is NOT a sit down with butt...that gets right hip too low....right hip should be higher than left at p4, and compression of left anterior pelvic tilt is a one-sided move to set off the pouncing cat move of the left side...jat
[/quote]

Sight...is this a cause of the lordosis move you mentioned earlier in your other post? The Lake "Wrist Alignments" video comes to mind (target side view of Mac).
[/quote]
all part of the sequence...lumbar lordosis and lateral bend, are all pivot caused IF the sequence is proper, and there are a bunch of things happening with the lower extremities and torso...

[Siteseer2]

[quote name='Siteseer2' timestamp='1403110538' post='9524843']
[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403108516' post='9524539']
[quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403108033' post='9524441'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175'] What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve? [/quote] All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade. I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy. [/quote] Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go. [/quote]

I "feel" like I'm sitting my butt down backwards towards my left heel before I have any forward rotation of the knees, hips or shoulders, but I doubt there is any actual movement at all. At that same time, I feel like I'm squeezing my forearms togther also.
[/quote]
thats called left anterior pelvic tilt...happens at p 3.9 into p4.2, and it sets off a stretch shortening cycle which allows the left hip and left oblques to go into powerful extension, and helps with external rotation and adduction of left hip. It is NOT a sit down with butt...that gets right hip too low....right hip should be higher than left at p4, and compression of left anterior pelvic tilt is a one-sided move to set off the pouncing cat move of the left side...jat
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hell, look at my avatar...there the whole thing in one pic...!

[virtuoso]

[quote name='hoganfan924' timestamp='1403109921' post='9524775'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403108516' post='9524539'] [quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403108033' post='9524441'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175'] What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve? [/quote] All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade. I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy. [/quote] Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go. [/quote] I "feel" like I'm sitting my butt down backwards towards my left heel before I have any forward rotation of the knees, hips or shoulders, but I doubt there is any actual movement at all. At that same time, I feel like I'm squeezing my forearms togther also. [/quote] Fine looking swing. This sounds a bit like the "Snead squat" which Mac teaches (or at least did at one time). I too, think that his swing in '86 was probably his best (of what I've been able to see). I have that old, grainy video he took in '86 in Palm Springs wearing the white shorts and T-shirt. Great swing, IMO. [/quote]

I definitely feel like I'm squat city when I do it.

[virtuoso]

[quote name='Siteseer2' timestamp='1403110538' post='9524843'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403108516' post='9524539'] [quote name='PingG10guy' timestamp='1403108033' post='9524441'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403106521' post='9524235'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403106012' post='9524175'] What's the ideal ball flight you want to achieve? [/quote] All of them. But I want my stock shot to be a slightly flat, low spin fade. I figured something out this morning working on the Mac framework that took me to ball striking nirvana. Will have to continue to test it. Had to do with the feel of my center of pressure bumping toward my left heel slightly with the combination of a slight pause with the club, right shoulder and right hip (at start down), and then starting to feel the center of pressure move toward the ball of my left foot to start creating second torso tilt. Took some of the "dive" out of my left shoulder. Started to tear the cover off that bad boy. [/quote] Feel isnt real but sounds like a little bit of internal rotation of the lead hip to start things off. Sounds different though. Never heard of pressuring the left heel then letting it go. [/quote] I "feel" like I'm sitting my butt down backwards towards my left heel before I have any forward rotation of the knees, hips or shoulders, but I doubt there is any actual movement at all. At that same time, I feel like I'm squeezing my forearms togther also. [/quote] thats called left anterior pelvic tilt...happens at p 3.9 into p4.2, and it sets off a stretch shortening cycle which allows the left hip and left oblques to go into powerful extension, and helps with external rotation and adduction of left hip. It is NOT a sit down with butt...that gets right hip too low....right hip should be higher than left at p4, and compression of left anterior pelvic tilt is a one-sided move to set off the pouncing cat move of the left side...jat [/quote]

understood......I'm in absolutely no danger of getting my right hip too low. My right hip is higher than a kite.

[virtuoso]

[quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403105600' post='9524109'] [quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1403105536' post='9524097'] [quote name='tembolo1284' timestamp='1403097113' post='9522659'] What time would we say mac had the best swing? [/quote] My favorite is mid 86 through about 94ish. I'm sure Mac would say something different since he went on to develop his theories quite a bit more. [/quote] What makes that period your favorite? Just the look of the motion or something else? [/quote]

Something deep in my soul says that's what it's supposed to look like. Sounds silly but that's all i got. The day i followed him around in the first round of the 1987 T of C at La Costa, I thought to myself, "Well, looks like someone figured this whole thing out." It didn't hurt that he took it deep that day......and was playing with Bob Murphy for some contrast.

[virtuoso]

Back to work on this. Haven't swung much in the last few months so the same mechanical problems reside. But, I have some good ideas of how to proceed.

The swing as of today. Shaft still loops behind me, left shoulder dives, not enough lordosis, right hip too high, and hips out racing arms at the beginning of the downswing....steming form a bad transition sequence.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzIh3EKBxQ&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ[/media]

[chrisgilly09]

Whoever was next to you hitting 3 woods had some speed, jeez

[Ike Clanton]

[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1418173027' post='10569477']
Back to work on this. Haven't swung much in the last few months so the same mechanical problems reside. But, I have some good ideas of how to proceed.

The swing as of today. Shaft still loops behind me, left shoulder dives, not enough lordosis, right hip too high, and hips out racing arms at the beginning of the downswing....steming form a bad transition sequence.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzIh3EKBxQ&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ[/media]
[/quote]

Virtuoso,

You have lovely action.

Why do you set your hands and club shaft so low at address? Do you do this just because Mac ended up here? or do you find some kind of advantage in it?

[FrankLinnear]

[quote name='Ike Clanton' timestamp='1418180018' post='10570241']
[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1418173027' post='10569477']
Back to work on this. Haven't swung much in the last few months so the same mechanical problems reside. But, I have some good ideas of how to proceed.

The swing as of today. Shaft still loops behind me, left shoulder dives, not enough lordosis, right hip too high, and hips out racing arms at the beginning of the downswing....steming form a bad transition sequence.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzIh3EKBxQ&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ[/media]
[/quote]

Virtuoso,

You have lovely action.

Why do you set your hands and club shaft so low at address? Do you do this just because Mac ended up here? or do you find some kind of advantage in it?
[/quote]

Answer should be No . I'd post the reasons but Ogrady would spam me with caps lock letters for 6 months

[Ike Clanton]

[quote name='FrankLinnear' timestamp='1418182759' post='10570575']
[quote name='Ike Clanton' timestamp='1418180018' post='10570241']
[quote name='virtuoso' timestamp='1418173027' post='10569477']
Back to work on this. Haven't swung much in the last few months so the same mechanical problems reside. But, I have some good ideas of how to proceed.

The swing as of today. Shaft still loops behind me, left shoulder dives, not enough lordosis, right hip too high, and hips out racing arms at the beginning of the downswing....steming form a bad transition sequence.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzIh3EKBxQ&list=UU8KnRUrVF2cOn_VC6U4ZMNQ[/media]
[/quote]

Virtuoso,

You have lovely action.

Why do you set your hands and club shaft so low at address? Do you do this just because Mac ended up here? or do you find some kind of advantage in it?
[/quote]

Answer should be No . I'd post the reasons but Ogrady would spam me with caps lock letters for 6 months
[/quote]

Sorry, I asked 3 questions. Did you mean NO to "is it advantageous" ?

[FrankLinnear]

No as in are the hands that low