Benifits to a mixed iron set

[Golf Rat]

I am going to get new irons and will probably get the titleist cb irons, but I was wondering what the pros and cons would be for getting mb irons as well. I was thinking 4-7 in cb and 8-P in mb. What are the benifits and drawbacks from doing this?

 

Thanks!

[square]

No benefit to a mixed set.
Even "progressive sets" are counter productive.

[PINGWRXforeme]

More forgiving long irons and more workable scoring irons. Love my set.

[baseballfrk8998]

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No benefit to a mixed set.
Even "progressive sets" are counter productive.
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There are a lot of touring pros that would disagree with you.

[Jamboy72]

I think there is a lot of upside if done correctly as you can get certain performance benefits out of each iron...forgiveness, workability, etc...in fact, one of my favorite iron sets of all time are the J33 Combos.....wish more companies would have a dedicated combo set, but I don't know if it makes financial sense...

In terms of drawbacks, if you have clubs with drastically different toplines, offset, etc, it may look a bit bizarre

[col902]

Pretty much just the fact that the long irons are more forgiving and easier to hit.

[smellysell]

[quote name='topekareal' timestamp='1342409203' post='5283060']
I think there is a lot of upside if done correctly as you can get certain performance benefits out of each iron...forgiveness, workability, etc...in fact, one of my favorite iron sets of all time are the [b]J33 Combos[/b].....wish more companies would have a dedicated combo set, but I don't know if it makes financial sense...

In terms of drawbacks, if you have clubs with drastically different toplines, offset, etc, it may look a bit bizarre
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Have a set of those on the way. So excited!

[Thrillhouse]

I love having a little help in my long irons. It's made a big difference for me. You get all the fun of blades in the clubs you hit out of the middle of the face and none of the pain of stinging clanks off the toe of your 3 iron.

[undertheplane]

I have a set of mp59 in the 4-6 and mp69 7-w and absolutely love them. All in all I think it's personal preference tho. If I would have went 59 throughout the set, I think I still would be happy.

[feedlotdoc]

As long as you are hitting it well, it is awesome! My set was 4-6 mx 300, 7,8 in mp 30, and 9,P in mp 37. Great progression, but my swing went to hell so I went away. The swing is almost back, so I'm about to switch it up again. Try it, you'll like it.

[Guia]

There is no benefit, just a lot physic crap. The clubs will have a different feel when switching from one to another, different trajectories, look, and weight. Muscle backs are heavier and it is extremely hard to match shaft flex point between the two.

Now we will hear from those who disagree.

[Love2Slice]

I feel like it has to be done at a certain point in the set which IMO is at the 6 iron.. Meaning the 6 iron should be an MB.
5 iron for me is a long iron, I don't try to take much of a divot if any because I want a flatter flight that won't balloon.
6 iron is just a normal divot and it gets steeper from there. I prefer to not use a combo set though.

[kylemacca01]

More control in the scoring clubs with more forgiveness instead of 'difficult to hit' blades in the long irons. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me if you like that sort of things. Personally im happy with blades all the way through.

[Thrillhouse]

[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1342412503' post='5283318']
There is no benefit, just a lot physic crap. The clubs will have a different feel when switching from one to another, different trajectories, look, and weight. Muscle backs are heavier and it is extremely hard to match shaft flex point between the two.

Now we will hear from those who disagree.
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You're not wrong, I have two different irons in the bag, different weights, different ball flight, all this is true. I just like the extra help, they don't flow seamlessly, my 5 is different than my 6 that's for sure. That's the compromise, do you want them to match or do you need the help? At this point where I dont play every day I need the help, so I compromise.

[BoomerSooner214]

[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1342412503' post='5283318']
There is no benefit, just a lot physic crap. The clubs will have a different feel when switching from one to another, different trajectories, look, and weight. Muscle backs are heavier and it is extremely hard to match shaft flex point between the two.

Now we will hear from those who disagree.
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Yup going to disagree. I think my S3 Pros transition pretty seamlessly from the 7MB to the 6CB. Ball flight is very similar and the weight doesn't feel much different. I will agree that the feel is slightly different but that doesn't bother me in the least bit. I do wish I would have done a 6 iron MB instead of starting the CBs at the 6 iron.

[Thrillhouse]

[quote name='BoomerSooner214' timestamp='1342421896' post='5283686']
[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1342412503' post='5283318']
There is no benefit, just a lot physic crap. The clubs will have a different feel when switching from one to another, different trajectories, look, and weight. Muscle backs are heavier and it is extremely hard to match shaft flex point between the two.

Now we will hear from those who disagree.
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Yup going to disagree. I think my S3 Pros transition pretty seamlessly from the 7MB to the 6CB. Ball flight is very similar and the weight doesn't feel much different. I will agree that the feel is slightly different but that doesn't bother me in the least bit. I do wish I would have done a 6 iron MB instead of starting the CBs at the 6 iron.
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Agreed, the 5 is the best place to start with the cb.

[MelloYello]

[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1342421365' post='5283674']
[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1342412503' post='5283318']
There is no benefit, just a lot physic crap. The clubs will have a different feel when switching from one to another, different trajectories, look, and weight. Muscle backs are heavier and it is extremely hard to match shaft flex point between the two.

Now we will hear from those who disagree.
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You're not wrong, I have two different irons in the bag, different weights, different ball flight, all this is true. I just like the extra help, they don't flow seamlessly, my 5 is different than my 6 that's for sure. That's the compromise, do you want them to match or do you need the help? At this point where I don't play every day I need the help, so I compromise.
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I agree with all of that. When folks combine 2 different types of irons things get a little out-of-whack. It's tolerable but at some point the look, feel and resulting ball-flight changes immediately. For awhile I played a VR combo set that was half Split Cavity and half TW Blade. I like those but found the TW Blades to play quite differently than their Split Cavity cousins.

The sets which are designed from the ground up to be different are smoother in that regard.

I've elected to carry all Titleist ZM blades but only go down through the 5 iron which I can get out to about 200 if I need to. I think moving forward my 22* A7 hybrid can act as a fine replacement for the 3i and 4i. The hybrid is much easier to hit obviously but it's workable and controllable enough and right in between on the yardage.

[jkumar2324]

Have people been gaming combo sets for a long time or has it become a trend since Nike came out with their progressive combo set?

[ZachK]

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Have people been gaming combo sets for a long time or has it become a trend since Nike came out with their progressive combo set?
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There were some manufacturers that had combo sets before Nike, but they have been getting more popular since the first pro combo.

[golfingchuck]

Thinking about keeping my MP-52 4&5 paired p with the MP-68 6-pw

[FLOGMR]

Combo or progressive sets have been around for ages....I had my first set around 1993...Wilson Staff Progressive. There was also a great Mizuno set around that time called Mizuno Grads (graduated from blades to cavities as you went up the set)
If you get any of the current MB to CB combos made up for you and your club-fitter knows what he is doing the transition will be seamless and there will be no weight or flex differences at all.
I have made up a couple of sets of Miura combos for myself that were awesome......no transition problems of any kind.......Just takes tweaking and a little time........If your club-fitter can't do this for you....Time for a new fitter!!

[crapula]

[quote name='FLOGMR' timestamp='1342505467' post='5290654']
Combo or progressive sets have been around for ages....I had my first set around 1993...Wilson Staff Progressive. There was also a great Mizuno set around that time called Mizuno Grads (graduated from blades to cavities as you went up the set)
If you get any of the current MB to CB combos made up for you and your club-fitter knows what he is doing the transition will be seamless and there will be no weight or flex differences at all.
I have made up a couple of sets of Miura combos for myself that were awesome......no transition problems of any kind.......Just takes tweaking and a little time........If your club-fitter can't do this for you....Time for a new fitter!!
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Agree. A good club maker should absolutely be able to make a set that feels and plays the same.

But, I would say if you are a single digit hcp, go with all mb's, f*ck it. Or, get cb's in the scoring clubs and mb's in the long irons, think about it, wouldn't you want more "forgiveness" in the clubs you use to hit greens rather than the clubs you will rarely use except to lay up on a par five or a long par 3?

Then again, if you aren't going to get a 3 iron, why even get any mb's, go with all cb's.

[baseballfrk8998]

[quote name='crapula' timestamp='1342543145' post='5292854']
[quote name='FLOGMR' timestamp='1342505467' post='5290654']
Combo or progressive sets have been around for ages....I had my first set around 1993...Wilson Staff Progressive. There was also a great Mizuno set around that time called Mizuno Grads (graduated from blades to cavities as you went up the set)
If you get any of the current MB to CB combos made up for you and your club-fitter knows what he is doing the transition will be seamless and there will be no weight or flex differences at all.
I have made up a couple of sets of Miura combos for myself that were awesome......no transition problems of any kind.......Just takes tweaking and a little time........If your club-fitter can't do this for you....Time for a new fitter!!
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Agree. A good club maker should absolutely be able to make a set that feels and plays the same.

But, I would say if you are a single digit hcp, go with all mb's, f*ck it. Or, get cb's in the scoring clubs and mb's in the long irons, think about it, wouldn't you want more "forgiveness" in the clubs you use to hit greens rather than the clubs you will rarely use except to lay up on a par five or a long par 3?

Then again, if you aren't going to get a 3 iron, why even get any mb's, go with all cb's.
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Wouldn't you want more forgiveness in the clubs that are more difficult to hit consistently?

Your post makes 0 sense to me.

[markp]

[quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1342548260' post='5293452']
[quote name='crapula' timestamp='1342543145' post='5292854']
[quote name='FLOGMR' timestamp='1342505467' post='5290654']
Combo or progressive sets have been around for ages....I had my first set around 1993...Wilson Staff Progressive. There was also a great Mizuno set around that time called Mizuno Grads (graduated from blades to cavities as you went up the set)
If you get any of the current MB to CB combos made up for you and your club-fitter knows what he is doing the transition will be seamless and there will be no weight or flex differences at all.
I have made up a couple of sets of Miura combos for myself that were awesome......no transition problems of any kind.......Just takes tweaking and a little time........If your club-fitter can't do this for you....Time for a new fitter!!
[/quote]

Agree. A good club maker should absolutely be able to make a set that feels and plays the same.

But, I would say if you are a single digit hcp, go with all mb's, f*ck it. Or, get cb's in the scoring clubs and mb's in the long irons, think about it, wouldn't you want more "forgiveness" in the clubs you use to hit greens rather than the clubs you will rarely use except to lay up on a par five or a long par 3?

Then again, if you aren't going to get a 3 iron, why even get any mb's, go with all cb's.
[/quote]

Wouldn't you want more forgiveness in the clubs that are more difficult to hit consistently?

Your post makes 0 sense to me.
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+1

[Oldboy]

I have never seen someone with a set of cb short and mb long irons..

[Veng]

Odds are you've already done this. Your 9 iron may be the same set as your 10 iron, but less likely as your 11, and doubtful your 12, 13, and 14 irons are the same set. Oh, did I say irons? I meant wedges. You'd just be adding another break in the middle of your set.

[Guia]

If they played the same and felt the same why would you want a mixed set?

[kellygreen]

[quote name='Golf Rat' timestamp='1342272650' post='5273626']
I am going to get new irons and will probably get the titleist cb irons, but I was wondering what the pros and cons would be for getting mb irons as well. I was thinking 4-7 in cb and 8-P in mb. What are the benifits and drawbacks from doing this?

Thanks!
[/quote]

The biggest drawback is that you wind up with different clubs that look different, and have a different sweetspot. So you have difficulty going back and forth between the different designs.

But the Titliest CBs were designed with possible blending with the MBs in mind, so that shouldn't really be a problem.

The benefit is that you get the nimbleness and increased workability in the short irons...but increased forgiveness and greater (a little bit) help in getting the ball up in the air.

A blade long-iron is difficult to hit off the deck even for the most polished swings. I played blades for year, but eventually got to the point where I took the 2-iron out of the bag because it was too hard to hit off the ground...and the trajectory too low to be useful.

I added it back when I got my set of 712 cbs...and I was so startled when I hit the 2-iron for the first time, I had to take a look to make sure I was hitting the club I thought I was. Because that 2-iron took off at a trajectory that I was more accustomed to seeing a blade 4-iron fly on.

The increased sole-weighting in the cb long irons (compared to the blades) has turned the 2-iron back into a useable club for me.

[chiguy]

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I have never seen someone with a set of cb short and mb long irons..
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I'm gonna put together a set now and then sell it on the BST. You just wait. It's gonna be all the rage in no time.

[crapula]

[quote name='chiguy' timestamp='1342568551' post='5295662']
[quote name='zerofade' timestamp='1342558006' post='5294634']
I have never seen someone with a set of cb short and mb long irons..
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I'm gonna put together a set now and then sell it on the BST. You just wait. It's gonna be all the rage in no time.
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Also, put together a 52 degree hybrid and a 60 degree driver. If golf was a game of opposites... all of this wouldn't make sense.