New and Improved Shaft Chart

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  • Deuce78Deuce78 Posts: 1,238
    This is the most useful chart I have ever come across! Fantastic! thank you! man_in_love.gif
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  • neovaneova Members Posts: 320
    Thanks Howard for the comprehensive explanations on the follow up questions!
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  • GolfErdGolfErd Members Posts: 1
    First ever post. Fantastic information. My mind is officially blown...in a great way. Thx.
  • choo31choo31 Members Posts: 9
    Howard,



    I'm just curious to know what size clamp you use to test each make and model of shaft? I currently have two sizes, 2.5" and 5". I have heard each make and model has a different size requirement to measure the correct frequency. Is this true in your experience?



    Thanks for the information.
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,467 ✭✭
    You got different reading from those 2 clamps. (just try and see for yourself)

    The 2.5 clamp is for RIFLE shafts, while the 5 inch is the most common to use on everything else when you measure BUTT cpm like the chart in this tread. If you wants to measure zone cpm, you need a 4 inch clamp for that, and the 454 gram weight

    http://www.mitchellgolf.com/catalog/Frequency_Clamps-117-1.html
  • choo31choo31 Members Posts: 9


    You got different reading from those 2 clamps. (just try and see for yourself)

    The 2.5 clamp is for RIFLE shafts, while the 5 inch is the most common to use on everything else when you measure BUTT cpm like the chart in this tread. If you wants to measure zone cpm, you need a 4 inch clamp for that, and the 454 gram weight

    [url="http://www.mitchellgolf.com/catalog/Frequency_Clamps-117-1.html"]http://www.mitchellg...amps-117-1.html[/url]




    Thanks for confirming what I have been doing. I've always used the 2.5" clamp for Rifle shafts and the 5" clamp for True Temper and graphite wood shafts.



    Can you clarify what "Zone CPM" refers to?
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,467 ✭✭
    The chart only contains data for BUTT cpm, but the shaft got more than butt flex.

    All parts of the shaft can be measured, but the systems is different around, so like many other stuff in Golf, there aint no standards.



    Zone flex is each and every part of the shaft who is NOT butt CPM so that means the rest of the shaft, but the way we split the length of the shaft/decides where we measure each zone is different from "school to school". If you have been reading in the very good post open by Tom Wishon, you will get to know more about this subject. The idea is to get the complete bend profile of the shaft, so you can compare 2 shaft as a hole shaft, not only by butt cpm



    Miyazaki has launched their own system, who is based on 4 different point to be measured

    Wishon uses another system with 7 points (5 inch apart) to be judged for his work, and Michell school were i took my classes uses a 3 system with 10 inch apart, so what system to use?



    Here is Tom Wishons way of doing this

    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/552963-10-myths-about-shafts/page__st__126



    There is no standard, so only experience will guide you right here i guess, and Tom got a few more years in this then i do (VERY large understatement), so for now i think i will lay that part of the debate down, because im not the man to tell whats right or wrong here, because the opinions about this is different, depending on who you talk to.
  • neovaneova Members Posts: 320
    edited Jan 12, 2012 #69
    Found a Chart from PX website that anwsers my question precisely, because Howard's chart does not include FCM values for Flighted PX shafts.



    [url="http://pxshaft.com/pxshaft/images/ProjectXFlexChart.pdf"]http://pxshaft.com/p...tXFlexChart.pdf[/url]



    So based on PX's chart, and Howards recommendation to go up .5 flex for flighted (in terms of FEEL), but does that mean in terms of FCM the Flighted PX plays .5 flex softer than non-flighted as well?



    So if I were to switch from PX 6.0 Flighted to Non-Flighted I should look at PX 5.5?
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  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,467 ✭✭
    neova wrote:


    Found a Chart from PX website that anwsers my question precisely, because Howard's chart does not include FCM values for Flighted PX shafts.



    [url="http://pxshaft.com/pxshaft/images/ProjectXFlexChart.pdf"]http://pxshaft.com/p...tXFlexChart.pdf[/url]



    So based on PX's chart, and Howards recommendation to go up .5 flex for flighted (in terms of FEEL), but does that mean in terms of FCM the Flighted PX plays .5 flex softer than non-flighted as well?



    So if I were to switch from PX 6.0 Flighted to Non-Flighted I should look at PX 5.5?




    YES !

    True Temper suggest going UP one flex for flighted, so you got it right, but dont forget shaft weight Standard flight is constant weight and lighter, Flighted is descending weight starting heavy in the long to light in the short, but on average, flighted is more weight, and thats good news for some, not for others
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,467 ✭✭


    Any idea where black gold regular flex would fit on that chart?




    CPM slope progression compare. DG vs Black Gold



    Swing weight D3, no grip

    This are avarage results of 3 sets,(DG) so this values might vary due to tolerances and FLO, but they do give a snapshot of the differences. Black Gold are converted numbers from published CPM values from TT



    Length / Butt cpm



    DGS300 Taper




    39.00 = 307

    38.50 = 312

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 323

    37.00 = 328

    36.50 = 335

    36.00 = 340

    35.50 = 347



    DGR300 Taper



    39.00 = 281

    38.50 = 286

    38.00 = 292

    37.50 = 297

    37.00 = 303

    36.50 = 308

    36.00 = 313

    35.50 = 317



    Black Gold S flex - Converted numbers Published CPM numbers from TT



    39.00 = 322

    38.50 = 326

    38.00 = 330

    37.50 = 334

    37.00 = 339

    36.50 = 343

    36.00 = 347

    35.50 = 351



    Black Gold R flex



    39.00 = 309

    38.50 = 313

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 321

    37.00 = 326

    36.50 = 330

    36.00 = 334

    35.50 = 338



    Im not done with over length shafts, so at the moment i cant give you those numbers, but they will be included in my next chart with 0.5, 1.0 and 1.5 over length
  • SlugsySlugsy Posts: 332 ✭✭
    Howard, apologies for cutting in on the thread but do you do custom fits and if you do, where are you based? Sorry if this seems rude but couldn't ascertain the information from your profile?
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,467 ✭✭
    Slugsy wrote:


    Howard, apologies for cutting in on the thread but do you do custom fits and if you do, where are you based? Sorry if this seems rude but couldn't ascertain the information from your profile?




    Yes i do both fitting and club making, but im on the other side of the globe for most of you on the WRX, Im located in Denmark, Europe where players like Thomas Bjorn, Soren Kjeldsen and Anders Hansen comes from (Kjeldsens home course is 18 miles from my shop, and thats my previous Golf club) PS! None of them are my customers, but they are most welcome :-)



    There are several very good fitters on this forum located in the US, and i guess thats more convenient for most of you.
  • clubmaster13clubmaster13 Members Posts: 18
    Great Work Guys. Thanks a million.
  • siagolfsiagolf Posts: 97
    edited Jan 21, 2012 #75
    Outstanding work -- a tremendous boon to the community! image/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    Question: what would a PX FLIGHTED 6.0 softstepped once FCM at? Would that essentially be the FCM of the PX NON-FLIGHTED 5.5 soft-stepped once?



    Also, I'm looking for help in picking the right iron shaft and would love to get the input of the brains from this thread! I posted a new topic (http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/574985-help-with-iron-shaft-decision/) and would sincerely appreciate your thoughts, comments, input, and recommendations!
  • hoping this chart will be updated with the PXi and MODUS-3 stats image/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    Any possilbe insight on Ping AWT or CFS?

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  • dnongdnong Members Posts: 131 ✭✭
    how do these numbers make it 5.8? please elaborate.



    DGS300 Taper



    39.00 = 307

    38.50 = 312

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 323

    37.00 = 328

    36.50 = 335

    36.00 = 340

    35.50 = 347





    Any idea where black gold regular flex would fit on that chart?




    CPM slope progression compare. DG vs Black Gold



    Swing weight D3, no grip

    This are avarage results of 3 sets,(DG) so this values might vary due to tolerances and FLO, but they do give a snapshot of the differences. Black Gold are converted numbers from published CPM values from TT



    Length / Butt cpm



    DGS300 Taper




    39.00 = 307

    38.50 = 312

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 323

    37.00 = 328

    36.50 = 335

    36.00 = 340

    35.50 = 347



    DGR300 Taper



    39.00 = 281

    38.50 = 286

    38.00 = 292

    37.50 = 297

    37.00 = 303

    36.50 = 308

    36.00 = 313

    35.50 = 317



    Black Gold S flex - Converted numbers Published CPM numbers from TT



    39.00 = 322

    38.50 = 326

    38.00 = 330

    37.50 = 334

    37.00 = 339

    36.50 = 343

    36.00 = 347

    35.50 = 351



    Black Gold R flex



    39.00 = 309

    38.50 = 313

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 321

    37.00 = 326

    36.50 = 330

    36.00 = 334

    35.50 = 338



    Im not done with over length shafts, so at the moment i cant give you those numbers, but they will be included in my next chart with 0.5, 1.0 and 1.5 over length
  • rjkrutschrjkrutsch Members Posts: 112
    I want to thank for the great information
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,467 ✭✭
    dnong wrote:


    how do these numbers make it 5.8? please elaborate.



    DGS300 Taper



    39.00 = 307

    38.50 = 312

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 323

    37.00 = 328

    36.50 = 335

    36.00 = 340

    35.50 = 347





    Any idea where black gold regular flex would fit on that chart?




    CPM slope progression compare. DG vs Black Gold



    Swing weight D3, no grip

    This are avarage results of 3 sets,(DG) so this values might vary due to tolerances and FLO, but they do give a snapshot of the differences. Black Gold are converted numbers from published CPM values from TT



    Length / Butt cpm



    DGS300 Taper




    39.00 = 307

    38.50 = 312

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 323

    37.00 = 328

    36.50 = 335

    36.00 = 340

    35.50 = 347



    DGR300 Taper



    39.00 = 281

    38.50 = 286

    38.00 = 292

    37.50 = 297

    37.00 = 303

    36.50 = 308

    36.00 = 313

    35.50 = 317



    Black Gold S flex - Converted numbers Published CPM numbers from TT



    39.00 = 322

    38.50 = 326

    38.00 = 330

    37.50 = 334

    37.00 = 339

    36.50 = 343

    36.00 = 347

    35.50 = 351



    Black Gold R flex



    39.00 = 309

    38.50 = 313

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 321

    37.00 = 326

    36.50 = 330

    36.00 = 334

    35.50 = 338



    Im not done with over length shafts, so at the moment i cant give you those numbers, but they will be included in my next chart with 0.5, 1.0 and 1.5 over length







    Ohaa that a long story, so im not going deeply into that, because the numbers provided in THIS post, was only to compare DG vs DG Black Gold

    Im still working on a new an much larger chart with a lot of variables who is not included here, but the main thing is, there will be a uniformed standard, witch is not present at the moment.



    The Rifle system or FCM system was made using a 2,5 inch long clamp, while most club makers using a 5 inch clamp

    Some is measuring the raw uncut shaft with a tip weight of 205 grams, other uses 255 on iron shafts

    Some is measuring ready made clubs with the actual club head, but with different swing weight -

    The Rifle system uses a club who is 0.5 shorter than todays norm, and with SW value D3



    Its all a mess, a specially when a shaft changes differently when cut down to play length. That means numbers measured uncut 2 inch longer is useless in the real world

    For example DGSL X100 and DGSL S300 changes by 7 CPM for each 0.5 inch when going longer (almost one flex class drop at 0.5 only if using the same heads)

    Imagine the numbers the other way around. You measure a raw uncut shaft, and find it to be right. Then you cut of 2 inch butt to get to playing lenght, thinking flex is the same, sorry its not. So i try to make a chart where a #6 iron shaft is "cut" to a standard playing length of 37.50, but in the CPM reader with a 255 gram tip weight



    The chart im working on is based on this parameters

    Mitchell Digiflex

    #6 Iron shaft - Uncut , marked at different playing lengths

    255 gram Mitchell Tip weight

    5.0 inch Clamp

    FLO aligned - Softest side

    Raw shaft full length is only one column, but NOT the one the FCM value will be sorted from



    By using a "std" #6 head with average hosel length and insertion dept,(30 mm) shafts is marked for cut to play length



    39.50 - 2.0 longer

    39.00 - 1.5 longer

    38.50 - 1.0 longer

    38.00 - 0.5 longer

    37.50 - "my standard" included grip cap

    37.00 - 0.5 Shorter



    So please be patient and wait a bit longer. I will provide you with someting everyone can use,because thats not the case with the chart starting this post or any other chart ive seen :-(
  • jrshields3jrshields3 Lefty Boomers Posts: 580 ✭✭
    WOW!!!! Great iformation! Thanks Howard for your detail and passion.



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  • siagolfsiagolf Posts: 97
    Howard, I echo everyone's sentiments here -- tremendous work and thank you for being so open with this information! Can't wait for the updated chart! image/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
  • HoselRocketHoselRocket Members Posts: 212
    siagolf wrote:


    Howard, I echo everyone's sentiments here -- tremendous work and thank you for being so open with this information! Can't wait for the updated chart! image/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />






    Couldn't have said it any better myself. Thanks again!
  • hpr3hpr3 Members Posts: 216
    Thank you Howard for taking the time to share your expertise. It's invaluable.
  • dnongdnong Members Posts: 131 ✭✭

    dnong wrote:


    how do these numbers make it 5.8? please elaborate.



    DGS300 Taper



    39.00 = 307

    38.50 = 312

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 323

    37.00 = 328

    36.50 = 335

    36.00 = 340

    35.50 = 347





    Any idea where black gold regular flex would fit on that chart?




    CPM slope progression compare. DG vs Black Gold



    Swing weight D3, no grip

    This are avarage results of 3 sets,(DG) so this values might vary due to tolerances and FLO, but they do give a snapshot of the differences. Black Gold are converted numbers from published CPM values from TT



    Length / Butt cpm



    DGS300 Taper




    39.00 = 307

    38.50 = 312

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 323

    37.00 = 328

    36.50 = 335

    36.00 = 340

    35.50 = 347



    DGR300 Taper



    39.00 = 281

    38.50 = 286

    38.00 = 292

    37.50 = 297

    37.00 = 303

    36.50 = 308

    36.00 = 313

    35.50 = 317



    Black Gold S flex - Converted numbers Published CPM numbers from TT



    39.00 = 322

    38.50 = 326

    38.00 = 330

    37.50 = 334

    37.00 = 339

    36.50 = 343

    36.00 = 347

    35.50 = 351



    Black Gold R flex



    39.00 = 309

    38.50 = 313

    38.00 = 317

    37.50 = 321

    37.00 = 326

    36.50 = 330

    36.00 = 334

    35.50 = 338



    Im not done with over length shafts, so at the moment i cant give you those numbers, but they will be included in my next chart with 0.5, 1.0 and 1.5 over length







    Ohaa that a long story, so im not going deeply into that, because the numbers provided in THIS post, was only to compare DG vs DG Black Gold

    Im still working on a new an much larger chart with a lot of variables who is not included here, but the main thing is, there will be a uniformed standard, witch is not present at the moment.



    The Rifle system or FCM system was made using a 2,5 inch long clamp, while most club makers using a 5 inch clamp

    Some is measuring the raw uncut shaft with a tip weight of 205 grams, other uses 255 on iron shafts

    Some is measuring ready made clubs with the actual club head, but with different swing weight -

    The Rifle system uses a club who is 0.5 shorter than todays norm, and with SW value D3



    Its all a mess, a specially when a shaft changes differently when cut down to play length. That means numbers measured uncut 2 inch longer is useless in the real world

    For example DGSL X100 and DGSL S300 changes by 7 CPM for each 0.5 inch when going longer (almost one flex class drop at 0.5 only if using the same heads)

    Imagine the numbers the other way around. You measure a raw uncut shaft, and find it to be right. Then you cut of 2 inch butt to get to playing lenght, thinking flex is the same, sorry its not. So i try to make a chart where a #6 iron shaft is "cut" to a standard playing length of 37.50, but in the CPM reader with a 255 gram tip weight



    The chart im working on is based on this parameters

    Mitchell Digiflex

    #6 Iron shaft - Uncut , marked at different playing lengths

    255 gram Mitchell Tip weight

    5.0 inch Clamp

    FLO aligned - Softest side

    Raw shaft full length is only one column, but NOT the one the FCM value will be sorted from



    By using a "std" #6 head with average hosel length and insertion dept,(30 mm) shafts is marked for cut to play length



    39.50 - 2.0 longer

    39.00 - 1.5 longer

    38.50 - 1.0 longer

    38.00 - 0.5 longer

    37.50 - "my standard" included grip cap

    37.00 - 0.5 Shorter



    So please be patient and wait a bit longer. I will provide you with someting everyone can use,because thats not the case with the chart starting this post or any other chart ive seen :-(




    is there a chart that says what cpm a standard length irons with x100 are? 5 iron being 38" long.
  • vicsith1vicsith1 Members Posts: 33
    wow, I know I'm late to the party, but thank you so much for this, it's so helpful..
  • Barto78Barto78 Members Posts: 3,017 ✭✭
    Well ****.....i just ordered a set of AP2's w/ KBS C-Taper shafts, soft stepped 1 time. I was trying to get them as close to my DGS300's as possible. Per the chart, i actually need the SS twice. I just placed my order last night with a guy on this site who is going to order them for me. I just sent him a PM and hopefully he can change the order. If not, looks like i'll be swinging basically a 5.9 shaft per the chart.



    Where was this chart yesterday......DOH!
  • PingDrv00PingDrv00 Members Posts: 2,294 ✭✭
    Barto78 wrote:


    Well ****.....i just ordered a set of AP2's w/ KBS C-Taper shafts, soft stepped 1 time. I was trying to get them as close to my DGS300's as possible. Per the chart, i actually need the SS twice. I just placed my order last night with a guy on this site who is going to order them for me. I just sent him a PM and hopefully he can change the order. If not, looks like i'll be swinging basically a 5.9 shaft per the chart.



    Where was this chart yesterday......DOH!




    Did you get the Standard C-Taper Stiff is so soft stepped once is dead on. If you went S+ then it would be twice. Also, did you get you clubs yet? I am interested to see how you liked them?
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  • PingDrv00PingDrv00 Members Posts: 2,294 ✭✭


    OUTSIDE the chart



    Since a lot of you are searching for info about how one shaft performs vs another, id like to fill you inn with some info about the 2 shafts i know the best, and who they are the best match for, and thats DG vs PX



    First pay attention to weight.

    Weight is a factor, not only for the potential of club speed, but it also influence on your swing tempo and stability in your swing plane

    Since standard flight PX and comparable flex DG is far apart in weight, the comparable flexes is not meant for the same player.



    DG is heavy, and better if there is a need to slow down and smooth out swing tempo, while PX is for the player in CONTROL of his own swing tempo. If more weight than standard flight PX offers is wanted, Flighted PX one flex class up will get us closer in weight, but then as descending weight



    Release timing

    The later and more CONSTANT the players release timing is, the better he will be able play a PX shaft

    The PX shaft is more sensitive to variables in release timing vs DG, so if the players release is variable, he will, not get good dispersion with a PX shaft. For this player the shaft profile of DG is more "forgiving". He will see better dispersion with DG.



    The key here is CONTROL

    The better the player is in control of his swing, and the later he releases the club, on a constant release timing, the better he will be able to play a PX shaft. Any need for smoothing out a players errors or inconstancy, will bias the shaft choice against a DG shaft.



    WHY is this different you might ask.

    Bend profile and step pattern or lack of step pattern is the answer



    If we go by the rules of energy in the nature, we know that we cant make energy, only transfer or convert it if it already exist. In Golf, you the player provides the energy, and the shaft is the transmission of this energy.

    A shaft dont ADD energy to the swing or impact, but different shaft profiles eats different amounts of energy in transmission, so the efficiency of 2 shafts might be different, yes even with the same zone flexes.



    A stepped shaft like DG, looses energy in transfer of power in each step from butt to tip, but also the lenght of the parallel section, and the speed of the stepping influence on how much power who gets lost here.

    DG also has the relative softest part of the shaft in the BUTT, so this is the profile who provides less dynamic loft in the first place.



    PX is a non stepped shaft. Is was a stepped shaft half way done, but every step is smoothed out in a taper pattern, as constant as possible, to lower the loss of energy in transmission. PX got it weakest part in the mid section, and that provides more dynamic loft at impact than a soft butt does.



    So PX will respond more to different release timing, than DG does, and now you know why.

    PX got a lower bend point, and a higher power transfer, when released right, and thats whats make them more sensible to the players release, vs DG




    Howard, I appreciate all the great info, and I have never really given much thought to the tempo piece as it relates to shaft fitting. Can you tell me if my thinking is correct regarding Dynamic Gold? I have tried lighter weight shafts, including KBS Tour 90's and really struggle with hitting the sweet spot. I can pick up Dynamic Gold, and wala dead center time and time again. If I am swinging smoothly I can do this as well, with the heavier weight KBS Tour, but not as consistently. I have similar results with Project X as well. The only other shaft I have had a lot of luck with are the C-Tapers, but they are a bit pricy. The question I have would this point to the fact that I may actually need the heavier weight shaft to smooth out the inconsistencies in terms of swing speed and tempo? I appreciate any thoughts.
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  • ForTourUseOnlyForTourUseOnly 009M SSS WeldNeck Members Posts: 1,044 ✭✭
    Howard, any idea on how the new PXi relates to the normal PX for freq?
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  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,467 ✭✭
    edited Mar 2, 2012 #91


    Howard, any idea on how the new PXi relates to the normal PX for freq?




    True feel of flex is impossible to predict from butt CPM only, and i only got 1 set of PXi so i only had 1 single #6 iron/39.00 shaft to measure, but there is no doubt that this shaft is softer butt side compared to the standard.



    Marked for cut down to standard #6 iron at 37.50 with butt cap, measured with a 2.5 clamp and 255 gram head weight:



    PX 6.5 - 340

    PX 6.5 F - 336

    PXi 6.5 - 314



    As you ca see BUTT is much softer, but the label say 6.5 but PX is NOT FCM matched, and since i have not got anyone to test this shaft side by side with the others yet, i cant tell much about spin, launch or if it really feels softer than 5.5 (see below)



    For reference



    PX 6.5 = 340

    PX 6.5F = 336

    PX 6.0 = 338

    PX 6.0F = 335

    PX 5.5 `= 330

    PX 5.5F = 326



    Numbers are not ready to convert to FCM values. They are only for direct compare
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