One example of arms not being completely passive.

[MonteScheinblum]

Here is a guy who came to me for the first time this week. He shoots mid 80s, hits lots of blocks and hooks, but rarely has a "compressed draw," in his words.

 

He has been doing fire the lower body as hard as he can and letting arms and hands be passive and drop.

 

All I did was tell him to start the arms a little sooner and have them work diagonally forward. Look how much less face roll after impact. In other words, sometimes more (correct) arm action creates a better pivot and more stable release.

 

Mahan and Johnson talk about starting the arms first. Andy and Mike talk about zero tension is as bad as too much tension.

 

It's about avoiding all extremes.

[FerrisBueller]

Interesting to see how much more upright he gets in the swing on the right!

[MonteScheinblum]

Interesting to see how much more upright he gets in the swing on the right!

 

Too much hip action, creates too much right tilt.

[NCHACK85]

The "old" swing looks like mine. The wedge video helped a lot. Now all I think about is is moving my shoulder out.

[snapier]

Here is a guy who came to me for the first time this week. He shoots mid 80s, hits lots of blocks and hooks, but rarely has a "compressed draw," in his words.

 

He has been doing fire the lower body as hard as he can and letting arms and hands be passive and drop.

 

All I did was tell him to start the arms a little sooner and have them work diagonally forward. Look how much less face roll after impact. In other words, sometimes more (correct) arm action creates a better pivot and more stable release.

 

Mahan and Johnson talk about starting the arms first. Andy and Mike talk about zero tension is as bad as too much tension.

 

It's about avoiding all extremes.

 

For clarification, arms moving "diagonally" refers to diagonally to the target line, correct?

[thekru]

Wow!...If this is an improvement he still has a ways to go. I can't imagine what he looked like earlier.

[iteachgolf]

Wow!...If this is an improvement he still has a ways to go. I can't imagine what he looked like earlier.

 

The before and after is posted showing first swing and changes

[MonteScheinblum]

Here is a guy who came to me for the first time this week. He shoots mid 80s, hits lots of blocks and hooks, but rarely has a "compressed draw," in his words.

 

He has been doing fire the lower body as hard as he can and letting arms and hands be passive and drop.

 

All I did was tell him to start the arms a little sooner and have them work diagonally forward. Look how much less face roll after impact. In other words, sometimes more (correct) arm action creates a better pivot and more stable release.

 

Mahan and Johnson talk about starting the arms first. Andy and Mike talk about zero tension is as bad as too much tension.

 

It's about avoiding all extremes.

 

For clarification, arms moving "diagonally" refers to diagonally to the target line, correct?

 

Both angles. What you said and diagonally face on, as well.

[MMB1500]

Good stuff. Looks like he's got tons more space too. Right heel is also much lower to the ground at impact and right elbow more in front of the right hip.

[thekru]

Wow!...If this is an improvement he still has a ways to go. I can't imagine what he looked like earlier.

 

The before and after is posted showing first swing and changes

 

I'm seeing three photos on my computer; P6, P7 and P9. Am I missing something?

[Sean2]

This is SO confusing. Is the swing pivot driven, i.e., lower body with the arms, hands, club along for the ride, or is it upper body driven? :-)

[NCHACK85]

This is SO confusing. Is the swing pivot driven, i.e., lower body with the arms, hands, club along for the ride, or is it upper body driven? :-)

I believe they all work in sync.

[MMB1500]

Wow!...If this is an improvement he still has a ways to go. I can't imagine what he looked like earlier.

 

The before and after is posted showing first swing and changes

 

I'm seeing three photos on my computer; P6, P7 and P9. Am I missing something?

 

Click on each image and they should open up with a full side-by-side comparison.

[glk]

Wow!...If this is an improvement he still has a ways to go. I can't imagine what he looked like earlier.

 

The before and after is posted showing first swing and changes

 

I'm seeing three photos on my computer; P6, P7 and P9. Am I missing something?

yep, there are 6 photos up. 3 before 3 after . side by side. And the improvement is noticeable.

[MonteScheinblum]

This is SO confusing. Is the swing pivot driven, i.e., lower body with the arms, hands, club along for the ride, or is it upper body driven? :-)

 

I know with the smiley face that you're being coy, but the point is you don't want too much of anything and have a proper balance.

[thekru]

Wow!...If this is an improvement he still has a ways to go. I can't imagine what he looked like earlier.

 

The before and after is posted showing first swing and changes

 

I'm seeing three photos on my computer; P6, P7 and P9. Am I missing something?

 

Click on each image and they should open up with a full side-by-side comparison.

 

Thanks!...That is a big difference! Thumbs up Monte!

[Sean2]

This is SO confusing. Is the swing pivot driven, i.e., lower body with the arms, hands, club along for the ride, or is it upper body driven? :-)

 

I know with the smiley face that you're being coy, but the point is you don't want too much of anything and have a proper balance.

 

In part I was, however I know if one pivots too quickly the arms/hands/club can get "left behind", at the same time, if too much upper body the hips don't get a chance to clear and/or one can come over the top.

 

Perhaps I am overthinking it.

[MonteScheinblum]

This is SO confusing. Is the swing pivot driven, i.e., lower body with the arms, hands, club along for the ride, or is it upper body driven? :-)

 

I know with the smiley face that you're being coy, but the point is you don't want too much of anything and have a proper balance.

 

In part I was, however I know if one pivots too quickly the arms/hands/club can get "left behind", at the same time, if too much upper body the hips don't get a chance to clear and/or one can come over the top.

 

Perhaps I am overthinking it.

 

Nope, pretty much covers it.

[stuboy]

This is SO confusing. Is the swing pivot driven, i.e., lower body with the arms, hands, club along for the ride, or is it upper body driven? :-)

 

I know with the smiley face that you're being coy, but the point is you don't want too much of anything and have a proper balance.

 

In part I was, however I know if one pivots too quickly the arms/hands/club can get "left behind", at the same time, if too much upper body the hips don't get a chance to clear and/or one can come over the top.

 

Perhaps I am overthinking it.

 

Nope, pretty much covers it.

 

What are the misses/signs that would indicate that if it was a problem with the upper body being left behind or the hips not having enough time to clear?

[MonteScheinblum]

This is SO confusing. Is the swing pivot driven, i.e., lower body with the arms, hands, club along for the ride, or is it upper body driven? :-)

 

I know with the smiley face that you're being coy, but the point is you don't want too much of anything and have a proper balance.

 

In part I was, however I know if one pivots too quickly the arms/hands/club can get "left behind", at the same time, if too much upper body the hips don't get a chance to clear and/or one can come over the top.

 

Perhaps I am overthinking it.

 

Nope, pretty much covers it.

 

What are the misses/signs that would indicate that if it was a problem with the upper body being left behind or the hips not having enough time to clear?

 

Make a list of all bad shots you can think of and they're on both lists.

 

Takes one swing to see what the actual issue is.

[thekru]

So what are going to work on next with this student?

[tinman143]

Here is a guy who came to me for the first time this week. He shoots mid 80s, hits lots of blocks and hooks, but rarely has a "compressed draw," in his words.

 

He has been doing fire the lower body as hard as he can and letting arms and hands be passive and drop.

 

All I did was tell him to start the arms a little sooner and have them work diagonally forward. Look how much less face roll after impact. In other words, sometimes more (correct) arm action creates a better pivot and more stable release.

 

Mahan and Johnson talk about starting the arms first. Andy and Mike talk about zero tension is as bad as too much tension.

 

It's about avoiding all extremes.

 

For clarification, arms moving "diagonally" refers to diagonally to the target line, correct?

 

Both angles. What you said and diagonally face on, as well.

 

Sorry I'm dense but can someone help me understand diagonally? I'm assuming from dtl, it'd be hands out to ball? And fo?

[stuboy]

Here is a guy who came to me for the first time this week. He shoots mid 80s, hits lots of blocks and hooks, but rarely has a "compressed draw," in his words.

 

He has been doing fire the lower body as hard as he can and letting arms and hands be passive and drop.

 

All I did was tell him to start the arms a little sooner and have them work diagonally forward. Look how much less face roll after impact. In other words, sometimes more (correct) arm action creates a better pivot and more stable release.

 

Mahan and Johnson talk about starting the arms first. Andy and Mike talk about zero tension is as bad as too much tension.

 

It's about avoiding all extremes.

 

For clarification, arms moving "diagonally" refers to diagonally to the target line, correct?

 

Both angles. What you said and diagonally face on, as well.

 

Sorry I'm dense but can someone help me understand diagonally? I'm assuming from dtl, it'd be hands out to ball? And fo?

 

If I remember correctly then it is diagonally from face on, so you hands don't drop straight down, ring the bell, or drag straight across. Think he discusses it in a video with Brandon

[MonteScheinblum]

Here is a guy who came to me for the first time this week. He shoots mid 80s, hits lots of blocks and hooks, but rarely has a "compressed draw," in his words.

 

He has been doing fire the lower body as hard as he can and letting arms and hands be passive and drop.

 

All I did was tell him to start the arms a little sooner and have them work diagonally forward. Look how much less face roll after impact. In other words, sometimes more (correct) arm action creates a better pivot and more stable release.

 

Mahan and Johnson talk about starting the arms first. Andy and Mike talk about zero tension is as bad as too much tension.

 

It's about avoiding all extremes.

 

For clarification, arms moving "diagonally" refers to diagonally to the target line, correct?

 

Both angles. What you said and diagonally face on, as well.

 

Sorry I'm dense but can someone help me understand diagonally? I'm assuming from dtl, it'd be hands out to ball? And fo?

 

If I remember correctly then it is diagonally from face on, so you hands don't drop straight down, ring the bell, or drag straight across. Think he discusses it in a video with Brandon

 

It's both

[MonteScheinblum]

So what are going to work on next with this student?

 

Probably his left arm rotation. It rotates vey late or not at all. Has him coming in too shallow and a high ROC.

[starsail85]

That is a huge change in lower body action , is this purely the result of the diagonally forward arm movement or was there also another intent to slow the lower body dance moves?

[MonteScheinblum]

That is a huge change in lower body action , is this purely the result of the diagonally forward arm movement or was there also another intent to slow the lower body dance moves?

 

Just earlier arm action.

[starsail85]

That is a huge change in lower body action , is this purely the result of the diagonally forward arm movement or was there also another intent to slow the lower body dance moves?

 

Just earlier arm action.

 

Great stuff

 

 

Food for thought

[QB74]

Aren't his hips a bit too flat in all three new pictures? What set o issues would that lead to? Jump stall?

[MonteScheinblum]

Aren't his hips a bit too flat in all three new pictures? What set o issues would that lead to? Jump stall?

 

No, they look flatter because he doesn't have so much right tilt that used to be necessary for him to get to the ball. If I had 3D it would likely show his hips were flatter in relation to his shoulders and upper spine on the left.