Oceans Eleven Confessions to break a man's heart....

[DeNinny]

Anyone playing any golf this weekend?

 

I don't wanna talk about it. It will take me away from my happy place. All I can remember is that one birdie on my card. Must think of only that birdie...Daisy...Daisy...

 

All of you (weather permitting) get yo @$$es out on the course!!!!! :busted_cop: :D I would literally kill to go shoot 138 from the white tees right now lol. Any golf is better than no golf :)

 

 

EDIT: TOOLED

 

The next time I'm putting for triple bogey on #18 enroute to a 96, I'm just gonna think, "This one's for you, Palauan Hammer." Then I will do my best not to take up basket weaving.

[Fellaheen51]

DeNinny,

 

Haven't played since spring of last year. Got slammed with some health problems that came out of nowhere. Hope to resolve them this year, but golf this season is out. Never played Emerald Valley, but I hear it's very nice.

 

skull I'm sorry to hear that about your health. Yes, I hope things do get better soon enough. There is plenty of vicarious golf to be had here, if it helps. These threads really help me during my 'dark golf' times. It's like a virtual golf bar here. WRX's version of 'Cheers'. (FYI, I'm Diane!)

 

Cheers wasn't the first thing that came to mind. More like Alex and his Droogs at the Korova Milk Bar. Eyeballing the Trolls whilst drinking a little Moloko Plus. Guess who's Alex???

 

[media=]http://youtu.be/wdtaxRC1Log[/media]

[DeNinny]

DeNinny,

 

Haven't played since spring of last year. Got slammed with some health problems that came out of nowhere. Hope to resolve them this year, but golf this season is out. Never played Emerald Valley, but I hear it's very nice.

 

skull I'm sorry to hear that about your health. Yes, I hope things do get better soon enough. There is plenty of vicarious golf to be had here, if it helps. These threads really help me during my 'dark golf' times. It's like a virtual golf bar here. WRX's version of 'Cheers'. (FYI, I'm Diane!)

 

Cheers wasn't the first thing that came to mind. More like Alex and his Droogs at the Korova Milk Bar. Eyeballing the Trolls whilst drinking a little Moloko Plus. Guess who's Alex???

 

[media=]http://youtu.be/wdtaxRC1Log[/media]

 

RIGHT, RIGHT!!!

[Palauan Hammer]

Anyone playing any golf this weekend?

 

I don't wanna talk about it. It will take me away from my happy place. All I can remember is that one birdie on my card. Must think of only that birdie...Daisy...Daisy...

 

All of you (weather permitting) get yo @$$es out on the course!!!!! :busted_cop: :D I would literally kill to go shoot 138 from the white tees right now lol. Any golf is better than no golf :)

 

 

EDIT: TOOLED

 

The next time I'm putting for triple bogey on #18 enroute to a 96, I'm just gonna think, "This one's for you, Palauan Hammer." Then I will do my best not to take up basket weaving.

 

LOL!! That's the spirit, when you think of terrible rounds and double bogeys, think of your island bruddah Hamsky :D Because I would literally kill to shoot 156 (with 3 mulligans) from the red tees right now :)

 

[skullshot]

DeNinny,

 

Haven't played since spring of last year. Got slammed with some health problems that came out of nowhere. Hope to resolve them this year, but golf this season is out. Never played Emerald Valley, but I hear it's very nice.

 

skull I'm sorry to hear that about your health. Yes, I hope things do get better soon enough. There is plenty of vicarious golf to be had here, if it helps. These threads really help me during my 'dark golf' times. It's like a virtual golf bar here. WRX's version of 'Cheers'. (FYI, I'm Diane!)

 

Skullshot doesn't lay down for anyone. I'll be fine.

[Palauan Hammer]

Skullshot,

 

Sorry to hear about the health problems. I hope for a full and speedy recovery, golf will be waiting, patiently, for you!

[DeNinny]

DeNinny,

 

Haven't played since spring of last year. Got slammed with some health problems that came out of nowhere. Hope to resolve them this year, but golf this season is out. Never played Emerald Valley, but I hear it's very nice.

 

skull I'm sorry to hear that about your health. Yes, I hope things do get better soon enough. There is plenty of vicarious golf to be had here, if it helps. These threads really help me during my 'dark golf' times. It's like a virtual golf bar here. WRX's version of 'Cheers'. (FYI, I'm Diane!)

 

Skullshot doesn't lay down for anyone. I'll be fine.

 

...Says the guy seeing a shrink. No doubt you'll be fine.

[Palauan Hammer]

Wolf, interesting video, thanks for sharing that! Although I have never been on trackman, I do remember when I learned to hit more up on the ball with the driver, changed my game. I was finally able to use my speed instead of hitting super high "spinny" drives that went nowhere. The breakdown of the relationship between the head and lead hip is a good one, I'll remember that!

[skullshot]

DeNinny,

 

Haven't played since spring of last year. Got slammed with some health problems that came out of nowhere. Hope to resolve them this year, but golf this season is out. Never played Emerald Valley, but I hear it's very nice.

 

skull I'm sorry to hear that about your health. Yes, I hope things do get better soon enough. There is plenty of vicarious golf to be had here, if it helps. These threads really help me during my 'dark golf' times. It's like a virtual golf bar here. WRX's version of 'Cheers'. (FYI, I'm Diane!)

 

Skullshot doesn't lay down for anyone. I'll be fine.

 

...Says the guy seeing a shrink. No doubt you'll be fine.

 

Actually, most of my therapy is via email. I expressed concern that our confidential communications could become public, but my Dr. said not-to-worry; she has her own private email server so everything's secure.

[mdgboxx]

Nins, that's what I was thinking about putting and balance point. Probably more mental than anything else, but thinking about RG, now that could be interesting to learn more about. Maybe that's why (to me) "tour level" golf balls feel heavier to me in the hand. I'm not sure they weigh more, probably dont, but maybe it's because the core is more dense, you'd think you want a dense core to get more spin, right?

 

This is me trying to convey my thoughts through my stupid fingers LOL, sorry Ninjiujitsu

 

Yes RG and MOI both indicate where the mass is most dense around a golf ball. And low RG means it is closer to the center. High RG means more mass is closer to the surface. Low RG spins easier and yes a denser core creates this.

 

But the ball weight should not feel different unless it really is different. If it has a denser core but same weight that means it is lighter towards the surface.

 

So 1.62 oz is the max weight of a golf ball under the rules. Me thinking something weighs more is probably wrong LOL.

 

Thanks for humoring me Ninja, I'm now reading about bowling balls, technology has come a long way since I last bowled. At least with bowling they don't try to sell "forgiveness" in bowling balls, and there are no handicap requirements for bowling balls either lol :D

 

I really like to discuss ball spin. It is where I have some technical gaps because of all the variables. Too many things define and change it. For example I look at all these cores and layers and for the life of me I can't understand why five are needed.

 

MARKETING???

 

We started with two, then went to three, and then went crazy. I remember the old Balatas, that are still talked about today. Those were the days where you could buy a game with a ball, "Titleist DT 90", and you stayed clear of "Rock Flites", even if you were a noobie like myself (First month playing) at the time. I later learned, at the range shop, that the best ball for me, was a recycled Wilson Ultra. LOL

[mdgboxx]

At a point I realized that my search was based on a false premise so to speak. I tried and tried to find THE correct datum that would somehow miraculously make me better. It never happened. Because I found that I was asking the wrong question. Instead of asking “where or what is the truth” I should have been asking “How do I determine what is the truth for me?” Not how can I convince others that this is the truth.

 

 

Hi vater, it sure is good to have you on here...

More thought for you. So if you determine what is the truth 'for you', then truth becomes variable, therefore truth is not Truth, only truth. So to convince others that to determine that what is simply truth for them (or what you have determined is the truth for you) is the truth is not really 'The Truth', but a personal interpretation of the truth. There is one Truth, it does not vary, nor is it open to individual interpretation. I think you were right in asking your original question, 'where or what is truth?' because there is an answer.

Isn't this place wonderful? :)

Your rendition here is almost art. That lies in the very definition of Truth.

Couldn't agree more.

For the Truth to be Truth it can only be the Truth if the person observing it is observing it on his own determinism and evaluation. Reality is though that truth is open to interpretation and the result is endless biggering. By observation it seems that seeing or realizing Truth can be unpleasant for many which is unfortunate. We see then that finding Truth relies wholy on the ability and willingness to observe what is.

 

Intelligent arguments in debates (in my opinion which may not be a Truth) are invitations to observation. At the other end of the scale you have arguments that are rendered as dictation and authority. They do not inspire observation thus leading you away from Truth.

 

Yep!

 

It's official......HE's back!

 

Welcome home Vater. See? Your chair is still here. :taunt:

[Fellaheen51]

Still trying to figure out what the allure was/is with playing Balata balls. Liked putting with them because of the soft feel, compared to the Pinnacle Golds or Top-Fight XL's of the day. (Yeah, know I was cheating switching up balls. So what.) But all it took was one wrong swing with an iron or a trip off a cart path to render them useless. Thought they felt sorta "mushy" when I used them. Picked up a brand new doz of Titleist Tour 90 Balatas last year at a garage sale cheap. All excited to give them a go with some persimmons I play every now and then. Just for fun. They were OK, I guess. But I preferred the feel and performance of any number of modern balls by way of comparison. And could not get them to spin any more or less than a urethane covered ball.

 

So I'm of the belief that playing Balatas today is simply out of nostalgia, rather than realizing a game benefit. Consider that the tournament hickory golfers ball preference is typically Pro V1 or something of that ilk. Sort of tells you something.

 

And also liked those Wilson Ultras. The name alone made me believe they were a premium ball, felt I played better with them. Before I new a thing about golf balls, other than they were white and round. Finding one of those in the shrubbery was a thrill not unlike finding a Tour B330RXS today. Back in the day when I had TF XL 15 pack ball budget.

[Chief Illiniwek]

Agreed 51. I've got a couple dozen balata balls mixed into my shag bag. I find them interspersed right along with the other balls. Feel is nice though. But they certainly don't seem to spin excessively.

 

Couple other things I've learned. Top Flights absolutely deserve their rock flight nickname and Pinnacle Golds don't feel bad at all. And I kid you not that a single Warrior golf ball I had that has since disappeared was consistently a club longer than any other ball. Maybe non conforming?

[mdgboxx]

Interesting, taking a minute to absorb what I just read...Also realizing that there are LOTS of variables in play here, it kinda just blew my mind LOL I've also seen/heard Bryson finds the balance in his golf balls by filling a bathtub and putting the balls in there, I'd imagine you'd have to add something to the water (epson salt?) . They mentioned it in passing as I was watching a tournament that he was playing, they even showed a pic of his balls (golf) in the tub (teeheeeeehehee) :D

 

 

TooLeD

 

I misunderstood what you asked about balance point based on what you said about Bryson! Sorry!

 

Yes based on what Bryson is doing it is insignificant. He is finding where the CG is offset from perfect center. In theory this may cause the put to wobble offline if not lined up properly but I highly doubt it matters for reasons stated about too many variables.

 

What I thought you meant about balance point was if there was an ideal RG for a golf ball.

 

Also sorry I did not know the CG was offset in a bowling ball. Hence my ignorance of balance point.

Maltby was into that balancing thing years ago. He did a video on it and at one time sold a solution that you put into water that made the balls float. It may have been Epson Salts I have no idea at all what it was. I do know what Epson Salts does in regard to speficic gravity in water just like the Dead Sea just about anything will float and it makes sense to me that the heavy side would turn down. I can see that theory with the wound liquid core balls back in the day. But with the manufacturing techniques and machinery today I do not really see it--- But I will defer to Bryson because he has a great mind from what I have seen and read so he in all probability knows something I do not

 

He's just leaving nothing to chance if it is in his control to do so. If you have OCD tendencies (and a lot of golfers do) then stuff like this becomes part of your golf 'rituals'. If it is in your head that something matters, then it does!

 

I play blades and low bounce clubs for the same reason, but finding the balance point in a golf ball is something I'm not too worried about. My own putting error will make a much bigger difference going from putt to putt than any ball balance issue.

 

I bought a Check-Go pro, years ago when they were first advertised, The pen dried from non-use. I added a drop or two of alcohol and it has since dried again. Four months ago, I bought a bottle of Calli, waterproof, permanent China Black ink. I have yet to open the bottle. :cheesy:

 

TOOL!

[MMB1500]

Wolf, interesting video, thanks for sharing that! Although I have never been on trackman, I do remember when I learned to hit more up on the ball with the driver, changed my game. I was finally able to use my speed instead of hitting super high "spinny" drives that went nowhere. The breakdown of the relationship between the head and lead hip is a good one, I'll remember that!

 

Glad you enjoyed it Hammer. I thought it was pretty interesting. I've never actually been on Trackman either and have not tried out his suggestions yet, but I like the concept. My problem, amongst many, is sometime getting ahead of the ball, so trying to maximise the distance between head and left hip should be a good swing thought for me. Might try it at the weekend.

[mdgboxx]

At a point I realized that my search was based on a false premise so to speak. I tried and tried to find THE correct datum that would somehow miraculously make me better. It never happened. Because I found that I was asking the wrong question. Instead of asking “where or what is the truth” I should have been asking “How do I determine what is the truth for me?” Not how can I convince others that this is the truth.

 

 

Hi vater, it sure is good to have you on here...

More thought for you. So if you determine what is the truth 'for you', then truth becomes variable, therefore truth is not Truth, only truth. So to convince others that to determine that what is simply truth for them (or what you have determined is the truth for you) is the truth is not really 'The Truth', but a personal interpretation of the truth. There is one Truth, it does not vary, nor is it open to individual interpretation. I think you were right in asking your original question, 'where or what is truth?' because there is an answer.

Isn't this place wonderful? :)

Your rendition here is almost art. That lies in the very definition of Truth.

Couldn't agree more.

For the Truth to be Truth it can only be the Truth if the person observing it is observing it on his own determinism and evaluation. Reality is though that truth is open to interpretation and the result is endless biggering. By observation it seems that seeing or realizing Truth can be unpleasant for many which is unfortunate. We see then that finding Truth relies wholy on the ability and willingness to observe what is.

 

Intelligent arguments in debates (in my opinion which may not be a Truth) are invitations to observation. At the other end of the scale you have arguments that are rendered as dictation and authority. They do not inspire observation thus leading you away from Truth.

 

One of my favorite quotes is by Gloria Steinem:

 

"The truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off."

 

I'd like her to say that to one of my neighbor's wife, who almost got caught by one of the children coming home from school earlier (special day outing) than expected. :fie:

 

TOOL! (Not him)

 

I'm TOOL :yes: :rofl:

[mdgboxx]

There are lots of men that have taken that perspective over the years, they're called monks and priests.

 

I could have accomplished a lot more in life had I worried less about women. But, like most things, I wouldn't do it any different.

 

How do you like my new avatar fellas?

 

Condie's hot. Didn't she save us from a mushroom cloud?

 

The brain power and golf prowess in this thread just grew exponentially.

Leave it to skull to blow our brains out.

 

A few years back when I invited skull to join us in the "learning thread", he

saw you using your own vocabulary; such as castclutopia, bladenirvana and

differential trollquations, and then he saw sobcutosis.

 

So he came back to me and said WTH is all that?? I'm no brainiac!!!!

 

Too funny

 

TOOL

[mdgboxx]

Gah! TOOL.

 

Confession: I don't normally get involved in the blades vs GI debates but read some utter nonsense today from one of the usual suspects and I couldn't help myself. Saying a 6 time major winner is an idiot because he recommends beginners start the game using blades so they can learn how to strike the ball properly, then stating "I'm right and he's wrong" is beyond laughable.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...r/page__st__120

 

I was just lurking that thread and went TOOL whilst liking your posts in it!!! I gotta say, Wolf, I didn't know you had it in you. That was some artful post-fu. You were tangling with some of the most enabled and narcissistic blades trolls on WRX. Posts like yours bring out the best in them. Well done and well played. :hi:

 

Hovered over too. Wolf's link opens at page 5, so I backtracked some and came across his post #90, last in page 3.

He sounds, to me, like the culprit in your misadventure, Outing Himself....And proud of it!

 

See how easy they are to spot? I can get all of them to come to me in any blades vs CBs thread. I just post the detriments of CBs based on the laws of physics and then watch them insult me for it or incorrectly use science to *try* to rebut it. Either way, their trollish nature stands out. It is too easy now. They are not worth the entertainment value anymore.

 

And I've been a member watching the debate for years now. The same things are said over and over and over again. Even the same people are in a lot of them, including the one you fingered.

 

The debate is really ridiculously over now. Everybody ultimately plays what they PERCEIVE as best for their game. Period. There is absolutely no conclusive universal truth that ANY iron will change your scores.

 

But Wolf's rebuttals, especially his 'fallacy 1, 2, etc' one, now those are worth the price of lurking that thread.

 

I agree with you on Wolf's rebuttals

 

That said, I re-read my post and I sound like like "the pot stirrer". --URGENT-- Next thing on my to do list, or is it Not to Do?

 

TOOL, looks like I will be 'til tomorrow.

[Matt J]

I didn't play that well at the tournament. Nothing horrible, just not great. It's a short course and I've been playing a big high draw off the tee. Something about not really going after it had me smother hooking the ball. Kind of a flippy smother. Not pretty. I hit some good shots, but too many bad ones, and not enough decent ones. I should have probably just gone to a smooth cut off the tee after the first hook, but I it's a shotmaker's layout and I didn't want to give up the right side of the fairway.

 

Went out and putted for a couple of hours this afternoon. I've really decided that I need a proper putting warm-up. No compromise, maybe before I hit balls. I need to walk onto the practice green before every important round of golf and find the straightest putt and work my stroke until I'm confidant that I'm starting the ball on-line from different distances. Once I'm grooved I feel like I modulate distance pretty well, but I need to get into a routine of how to get ready to putt lights out. Yesterday I putted okay, but I could tell my partner was a little disappointed because it wasn't great. I didn't miss anything inside 5 feet, but I did miss a 6 footer for birdie. Never really sank a good bomb either.

[mdgboxx]

Gah! TOOL.

 

Confession: I don't normally get involved in the blades vs GI debates but read some utter nonsense today from one of the usual suspects and I couldn't help myself. Saying a 6 time major winner is an idiot because he recommends beginners start the game using blades so they can learn how to strike the ball properly, then stating "I'm right and he's wrong" is beyond laughable.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...r/page__st__120

 

I was just lurking that thread and went TOOL whilst liking your posts in it!!! I gotta say, Wolf, I didn't know you had it in you. That was some artful post-fu. You were tangling with some of the most enabled and narcissistic blades trolls on WRX. Posts like yours bring out the best in them. Well done and well played. :hi:

 

Just yesterday, a noobie (since April 13/2016) was going at it. Today, he is "BANNED" !

 

LOL that guy was no n00b. He was another also banned WRXer using a different username. You can't really mask your writing style all the time. And if you are a troll, you will eventually show your true colors. It goes back to what vaterman was saying about what truth are you really seeking and how you define it, and also putting more emphasis on observing the argument rather than trying to come to an outright answer.

 

ROTFLMAO!

 

I need to get out more.

[mdgboxx]

Took the 575's for a second spin today and the results were a mixed bag as my swing was a mixed bag. Felt tight in the small of my back and glutes and struggled with sequencing. The arms and legs felt totally disconnected. I still managed to string together some nice holes, and scrambled for some nice pars/bogeys, but today was mostly a forgettable round. Oh well, next time.

 

Happy Mother's Day to all of the PeanutsMommy's out there.

 

I think we've all had days like that PD. Many times. Sounds like your glutes weren't firing!

 

I did not have the eye of the Tiger.

 

Any Cat on the prowl needs it. Sometimes, it's a process. But the glutes have to engage, there's no way around it.

[Matt J]

Wolf great posts in that ridiculous thread. I knew I shouldn't have clicked the link. I couldn't resist... I hate it when I get trolled.

[mdgboxx]

I saw an interesting Trackman video today on YT. Here's how to pick up some yardage off the tee. Worth a watch!

 

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I kept going and watched the Mega Back Spin vid...Interesting

 

 

On the TOOL train. :cheesy:

[Matt J]

I've been hitting the ball much further with driver since I started swinging up on it like in that video. I haven't been on Trackman since, but I think if I tip this shaft or find something a little stiffer I might get a little less trajectory and even more distance. I'd say I picked up 15 to 20 yards easily. Similar swing speed, slightly higher, but a much higher angle of attack.

[Fellaheen51]

Wolf great posts in that ridiculous thread. I knew I shouldn't have clicked the link. I couldn't resist... I hate it when I get trolled.

 

Took the stroll this morning, had to find out what the chatter was about. LOL. Stupid thread with many of the usual suspects pontificating. Two things I did notice. Condi was there with her delightful smile and tOGA was rep'in. Hard. Good job guys. Need to pitch TTB to get onboard with the OGA, join the ranks. Thus completing the 1%'er assault on Trollville.

 

Thug........Get Patched!!!!

 

Seems to be a simple solution to this whole Blades v. CB never ending debate. Get one of each. Seems to be a prevalent position for many Confessioner's. That way, one has a position no matter which way the winds of conventional wisdom (WRX oxymoron?) are blowing.

 

A random thought just occurred to me. We could have crossed MB & CB in a 'skull and crossbones' sort of way on the OGA patch. With the sinister guy GIF posted earlier.

[Fellaheen51]

MJ - The trackman vid has merit. I've watched it several times now, definitely something that I would like to practice next time at the range. Saved on the phone for viewing during practice time. TFP.

 

Seen my D distance decline rather precipitously the last two years. Don't know if its because of bad swing dynamics or ravages of age. Probably a combination of both. But I've lost 30 yards or more with a "good" drive now being 215 prox. Very disconcerting. I'm very healthy, work out, have no afflictions that are interfering with swinging the club properly. So thinking it may be more swing related. Sure has made playing second shots a lot longer proposition.

 

Time and weather constraints has made range time a difficult proposition. Really need to put in some time practicing, working on several swing issues, focus on obtaining improved repeatability. The swing is slowly improving when I think tempo and follow thru. But lacking in consistency, especially when I'm on the course. The bad habits resurface all to easily. Everything starts with tempo for me, can't get quick with the downswing.

[Pigems]

Sooo its Sunny, Blue sky, with 25km winds gusting to 50km today. Great day for some golf no? Haven't played since Tuesday but had a Great range session Friday. So good in fact that my back was a little sore afterwards from swinging so hard lol. Normally when I try hit hit it harder the ball just just Tails off to the left more but not Friday. Straightest and farthest I've ever hit a golf ball before. Session started with me swinging 6i at a particular target flag/green, by the end I was hitting the same green with 8i lol. :)

[MMB1500]

Wolf great posts in that ridiculous thread. I knew I shouldn't have clicked the link. I couldn't resist... I hate it when I get trolled.

 

Lol. Thank you Sir. Like I say, I don't get involved in those sorts of things too often. Most of the time it's not worth it, but he's been spouting his crap on here for years and I'd sort of had enough. I'm sure it won't change his point of view, but it made me feel better...

[Pigems]

Wondering If i should break out the 910D2 w/ RIP Alpha 72x for todays' round to keep the ball down a little bit? I hit this Bertha Very high ATM. Hmm??

[Matt J]

Fella, it takes some getting used to. I don't exactly focus on the same stuff as the guy in the video. My keys would be: First, to tee it high. Second, play it forward in your stance. Third, envision the back inside quadrant very low on the ball (under it if you will) as your impact point. Fourth, release the club early. Fifth, keep your head back. Sixth, swing out and away from the target line for a push draw and straight down the line for a pull cut.

 

The thing I like about the high positive angle of attack are that some how it actually seems to limit spin. My draw typically just knuckles and the fade is very playable as long as you don't slide forward.

 

Pigems, have fun out there!

 

Wolf, you seem to bring a classy voice of dissension when you mix it up. I just don't understand why the axe to grind? It reminds me of the classic English novel by Laurence Sterne, Tristram Shandy. Every one has a hobby-horse, but if you ride it peaceably along the King's highway (or something along those lines) then they can even bring us together as something interesting and fun to talk about - like here in the Confessions. But, when our Hobby-horses start becoming obsessions, we become anti-social and illogical.

 

mgdboxx, keep those glutes firing!