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Went to the range today. First time hitting of grass this season. I started off horrifically. Shanks, tops, chunks. This is par for the course for me however. I find that until my muscles have loosened up a bit, it's sometimes like I have never played golf in my life. The couple hitting next to me must have thought I was a complete chopper! I wasn't too worried though and when I got going, I ended up hitting it pretty well.

 

There was a guy a few bays down from me who was having a really hard time. I felt bad for him. He had one of those painfully slow backswings then kind of lunged at the ball. It wasn't pretty. He was chunking everything, badly and getting very frustrated. I'm no pro but I felt like I could have had him hitting it better with a few simple changes - the main one being to loosen up...a lot. I would never offer unsolicited advice to anyone though, so I left him to it.

 

I then spent an hour and a half chipping, practicing three types of shot - the trap chip, high lob and the 'Runyan'. That practice was extremely productive, even if I wasn't hitting into a proper green - just some short mown grass. I was just focussing on quality of strike and distance control. I'm feeling a lot better about my chipping after that, having lost my way with it after the winter lay off.

 

Might try and get a game in next weekend, depending on the weather.

 

Excellent to hear Wolf, for me it's been a little over 2 years since I last played golf. My plan is to start with some drills that I use to build my swing. It's basically setting up a practice station, couple clubs on the ground for alignment (train tracks) , tee the ball up, grab a 7 iron. I then take the club back to hip high and stop, then hit the ball going to a full finish. It usually starts off rough, but you'll develop a sense of how you use your body through the ball, any hit impulse is punished. It's amazing how far the ball can go swing from just the hip once everything gets sequenced. My favorite drill. I then go into the "faldo drill". I'll probably do that for an entire large bucket, then start hitting full shots.

 

Short game work is a must, and that's a good system you have there. The short game is a great insurance policy for the full swing!

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PD - Beauties!!! TYFP. Really like the look of those. Play report when you get the chance. Was it you PD that had HC's made from a 'special' leather jacket? IIRC. Are those them? I'm a sucker for kool hc's and those look great.

 

Pigs - You're on to something. I'm a hack at photoshop.

 

I have a few leather head cover sets. One of the sets was created from a 'special' jacket, but the set has only seen range time. It's too mucky out for the white leather at the moment. I'll wait for the sun to shine before I break out Grandpa's covers.

 

As for the 575's. Beautiful profile at address. Minimal offset, thin top-line, shorter blade length. They feel 'dense' on well struck balls and have a crisp sound at impact. Ball-flight was medium to high with a boring trajectory. No issues cutting through the wet turf and they performed really well inside 100 yards. In the past two rounds I've pitched in twice from 20 yards with the PW. I find it easier to move the ball right to left, but that is related to my swing. Distance was about 5 yards short of my standard distances with the 560s, but this may be due to lofts (which I had bent this evening to match the 560s). In truth, I didn't hit an iron shot that I was displeased with today. There were a few thin balls but the results were positive overall.

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Welcome to Vater and Skull. Good to see you gents around these here parts.

 

Speaking of which, Sixty say it ain't so?

 

Really happy to read that you were able to hit balls of the turf Wolf, even if a few were a bit sideways. Been there (many times) and done that (many times).

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Ninja, I thoroughly enjoy every post, so if I haven't said it in while, thank you! For some reason when I want to type something extensive my brain goes a bazillion miles an hour and my typing skills can't keep up. What ends up happening is I lose my point, and train of thought. I'm a much better talker (trust me lol) . So sometimes, when we discuss things that are on the more complex side I freeze up. I will say, I've learned more hanging out here from you, the Judge, Stu, and everyone else than my entire previous 31 years on this Earth. I feel like I've earned a golf diploma. So thank you, and I'll will share this knowledge with my teammates and golf buddies once I'm free and golfing again. I will also share more of my experiences/findings on the course, as they relate to the things we discuss here, with the group once I'm golfing again.

 

Lastly Ninja, what's your take on finding the "balance point" of a golf ball (check go pro)?? As a former bowler, bowling balls are designed with different shaped cores varying in materials and density. All "hooking" or particle resin/ urethane bowling balls are marked with the CG location. Also, RG has a big influence on rotation (obviously). More weight distributed toward the coverstock equals a higher rg, the ball holds energy further down the lane (good for light/med oil conditions) , conversely a low rg has more mass near the center as a result it's "easier" to rev up, begins hooking earlier due to higher rev rate (good for heavy oil). Guess what I'm saying is I can see how this could be true, but not sure as golf balls aren't designed with weight bias cores (on purpose).........I just confused myself LOL

 

So, would finding the "balance point" of a golf ball have that big of an effect on putting and full shots? I can see it having a very very small influence, but the outside factors like ground slope,wind, clubface path, AOA, etc. could make finding the balance point kinda insignificant perhaps.

 

Hamboozled I am the same way typing. I can easily lose my original point. And I like to read your stream of consciousness typing. It's not confusing to me.

 

And thanks for the RG links. It is basically related to MOI so we could refer to either one in discussing the relative differences between high and low RG. Conceptually it means the same thing. And in terms of finding a balance point for a golf ball, I would say yes that is true there should be one. As to how to derive it, I don't know. That is a tough one. Way too many variables. The math of spin is too complicated and with dimples and compression differences and such, there is just too much going on for me to determine how one would find the ideal RG. I would guess that different ball constructions and layers changes the RG because the different materials should have different densities and are at different radii around the ball. BUT...I don't know how significant core and layer changes will change the ball RG.

 

I still say ball spin is determined as much from compression differences at least as much as it is from RG. So at this point all I can do is just speculate that the manufacturers have either found a good RG balance point and they mess with other variables like compression in order to change the spin. But again theoretically the RG also has to change when the materials and their internal distribution changes. I just don't know if it is significant or not in terms of how much the manufacturers change it based on all the different ball designs.

 

And yes the physics of changing a ball's RG is the same as a bowling ball's. So to answer your question about changing it for putting and full shots, absolutely changing could have a very significant impact. But again as stated above, I just don't know if the manufacturers can and are actually changing it. There may be manufacturing limitations. But if you could, say, change it so that one ball has an RG that is 10x another ball's RG, then that effect would be huge on putting and full shots. RG is related to MOI which is a directly proportional variable in determining the ball's spin rate, so changing RG significantly would have huge effects on ANY shot.

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Actually just to nitpick myself, RG is directly related to the square root of the MOI.

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Interesting, taking a minute to absorb what I just read...Also realizing that there are LOTS of variables in play here, it kinda just blew my mind LOL I've also seen/heard Bryson finds the balance in his golf balls by filling a bathtub and putting the balls in there, I'd imagine you'd have to add something to the water (epson salt?) . They mentioned it in passing as I was watching a tournament that he was playing, they even showed a pic of his balls (golf) in the tub (teeheeeeehehee) :D

 

 

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I got out for nine after lunch. My concentration level was low and I really slopped it around for a 42 considering my driver was really long today for me, with four drives over 280 and one over 300! Passive (active) brag now being over, does anyone have a particularly helpful method of getting into "the zone" for a round when you're struggling? The last two times I was out was for league rounds and knowing I was posting the score helps me really focus, but I was actively aware today that my head wasn't in it but being aware of it and being able to correct it are two different things!

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Interesting, taking a minute to absorb what I just read...Also realizing that there are LOTS of variables in play here, it kinda just blew my mind LOL I've also seen/heard Bryson finds the balance in his golf balls by filling a bathtub and putting the balls in there, I'd imagine you'd have to add something to the water (epson salt?) . They mentioned it in passing as I was watching a tournament that he was playing, they even showed a pic of his balls (golf) in the tub (teeheeeeehehee) :D

 

 

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I misunderstood what you asked about balance point based on what you said about Bryson! Sorry!

 

Yes based on what Bryson is doing it is insignificant. He is finding where the CG is offset from perfect center. In theory this may cause the put to wobble offline if not lined up properly but I highly doubt it matters for reasons stated about too many variables.

 

What I thought you meant about balance point was if there was an ideal RG for a golf ball.

 

Also sorry I did not know the CG was offset in a bowling ball. Hence my ignorance of balance point.

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When I was bowling getting the right drilling "layout" was very important to getting the proper lane reaction. Of course certain bowing balls were for certain lane conditions or shots. My rev rate was in the low 300's (rpms) ball speed of 18 mph on average, that makes me a "tweener" or in between a "stroker" (less revs and overall hook) and "cranker" (lots of revs, lots of hook and lane coverage). Anyway, ball conditions and specs make a huge difference in bowling, so it would seem logical that it should make a difference in golf, I would think it would have a greater effect on full shots, but I don't have anything to back that up. But because of the random nature of golf, and a higher number of variables in golf swing and course conditions maybe it just gets lost in the whole "golf is hard" thing.

 

 

 

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Matt, hope you played well in your tournament today!

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When I was bowling getting the right drilling "layout" was very important to getting the proper lane reaction. Of course certain bowing balls were for certain lane conditions or shots. My rev rate was in the low 300's (rpms) ball speed of 18 mph on average, that makes me a "tweener" or in between a "stroker" (less revs and overall hook) and "cranker" (lots of revs, lots of hook and lane coverage). Anyway, ball conditions and specs make a huge difference in bowling, so it would seem logical that it should make a difference in golf, I would think it would have a greater effect on full shots, but I don't have anything to back that up. But because of the random nature of golf, and a higher number of variables in golf swing and course conditions maybe it just gets lost in the whole "golf is hard" thing.

 

 

 

While I'm here,

 

PD nice covers and new sticks!

 

Fella, sweet sweet Hogans!

 

Matt, hope you played well in your tournament today!

 

It really depends on how far "off balance" a ball's CG is from perfect center. Without knowing that, it is hard to tell how much it will influence the spin and a shot or putt.

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Nins, that's what I was thinking about putting and balance point. Probably more mental than anything else, but thinking about RG, now that could be interesting to learn more about. Maybe that's why (to me) "tour level" golf balls feel heavier to me in the hand. I'm not sure they weigh more, probably dont, but maybe it's because the core is more dense, you'd think you want a dense core to get more spin, right?

 

This is me trying to convey my thoughts through my stupid fingers LOL, sorry Ninjiujitsu

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When I was bowling getting the right drilling "layout" was very important to getting the proper lane reaction. Of course certain bowing balls were for certain lane conditions or shots. My rev rate was in the low 300's (rpms) ball speed of 18 mph on average, that makes me a "tweener" or in between a "stroker" (less revs and overall hook) and "cranker" (lots of revs, lots of hook and lane coverage). Anyway, ball conditions and specs make a huge difference in bowling, so it would seem logical that it should make a difference in golf, I would think it would have a greater effect on full shots, but I don't have anything to back that up. But because of the random nature of golf, and a higher number of variables in golf swing and course conditions maybe it just gets lost in the whole "golf is hard" thing.

 

 

 

While I'm here,

 

PD nice covers and new sticks!

 

Fella, sweet sweet Hogans!

 

Matt, hope you played well in your tournament today!

 

It really depends on how far "off balance" a ball's CG is from perfect center. Without knowing that, it is hard to tell how much it will influence the spin and a shot or putt.

 

Gotcha, yeah they have different shaped cores, plus different materials, and some cores are symmetrical and some are asymmetrical. With bowling balls these are spec'd out, so they give you the RG rating, along with everything else.

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Nins, that's what I was thinking about putting and balance point. Probably more mental than anything else, but thinking about RG, now that could be interesting to learn more about. Maybe that's why (to me) "tour level" golf balls feel heavier to me in the hand. I'm not sure they weigh more, probably dont, but maybe it's because the core is more dense, you'd think you want a dense core to get more spin, right?

 

This is me trying to convey my thoughts through my stupid fingers LOL, sorry Ninjiujitsu

 

Yes RG and MOI both indicate where the mass is most dense around a golf ball. And low RG means it is closer to the center. High RG means more mass is closer to the surface. Low RG spins easier and yes a denser core creates this.

 

But the ball weight should not feel different unless it really is different. If it has a denser core but same weight that means it is lighter towards the surface.

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Nins, that's what I was thinking about putting and balance point. Probably more mental than anything else, but thinking about RG, now that could be interesting to learn more about. Maybe that's why (to me) "tour level" golf balls feel heavier to me in the hand. I'm not sure they weigh more, probably dont, but maybe it's because the core is more dense, you'd think you want a dense core to get more spin, right?

 

This is me trying to convey my thoughts through my stupid fingers LOL, sorry Ninjiujitsu

 

Yes RG and MOI both indicate where the mass is most dense around a golf ball. And low RG means it is closer to the center. High RG means more mass is closer to the surface. Low RG spins easier and yes a denser core creates this.

 

But the ball weight should not feel different unless it really is different. If it has a denser core but same weight that means it is lighter towards the surface.

 

So 1.62 oz is the max weight of a golf ball under the rules. Me thinking something weighs more is probably wrong LOL.

 

Thanks for humoring me Ninja, I'm now reading about bowling balls, technology has come a long way since I last bowled. At least with bowling they don't try to sell "forgiveness" in bowling balls, and there are no handicap requirements for bowling balls either lol :D

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Nins, that's what I was thinking about putting and balance point. Probably more mental than anything else, but thinking about RG, now that could be interesting to learn more about. Maybe that's why (to me) "tour level" golf balls feel heavier to me in the hand. I'm not sure they weigh more, probably dont, but maybe it's because the core is more dense, you'd think you want a dense core to get more spin, right?

 

This is me trying to convey my thoughts through my stupid fingers LOL, sorry Ninjiujitsu

 

Yes RG and MOI both indicate where the mass is most dense around a golf ball. And low RG means it is closer to the center. High RG means more mass is closer to the surface. Low RG spins easier and yes a denser core creates this.

 

But the ball weight should not feel different unless it really is different. If it has a denser core but same weight that means it is lighter towards the surface.

 

So 1.62 oz is the max weight of a golf ball under the rules. Me thinking something weighs more is probably wrong LOL.

 

Thanks for humoring me Ninja, I'm now reading about bowling balls, technology has come a long way since I last bowled. At least with bowling they don't try to sell "forgiveness" in bowling balls, and there are no handicap requirements for bowling balls either lol :D

 

I really like to discuss ball spin. It is where I have some technical gaps because of all the variables. Too many things define and change it. For example I look at all these cores and layers and for the life of me I can't understand why five are needed.

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LOL, that's why I saying when I sat back and really thought about it my mind nearly exploded. Yeah, 3 and 4 piece seem to be "standard", 5 was different, I did play those Pentas when they came out, they were ok. My usual ball is the Bridgestone B330, it was a 4 piece, but the latest version is back to a 3 piece, plus is has some kind of "self repairing" resin cover. Not sure about the self repairing part, but I'm looking forward to trying them, someday...

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I got out for nine after lunch. My concentration level was low and I really slopped it around for a 42 considering my driver was really long today for me, with four drives over 280 and one over 300! Passive (active) brag now being over, does anyone have a particularly helpful method of getting into "the zone" for a round when you're struggling? The last two times I was out was for league rounds and knowing I was posting the score helps me really focus, but I was actively aware today that my head wasn't in it but being aware of it and being able to correct it are two different things!

 

I had the same today Chief. 45/39 with 2 birdies and 2 doubles and not enough pars. Was killing my drives for a change though. Consistently 250 and a few over 270, with 12/14 FIRs. Crushed some 3ws too. Even the stepdaughter was giving me 'nice shot' comments, which she usually reserves for when she plays with one of the young studs in our area. But my iron and wedge striking was on/off. If I were hitting my irons like I was 2 weeks ago I coulda gone low. Stupid game.

 

BTW, she wanted to play a match with me, but I wanted her to work on shotmaking by playing a money game. Front 9 I give her $2 per FIR or GIR. Back 9 I give her $5 per par, $20 for a birdie. She cleaned house and won $40. She shot 80, and would have cleaned my clock in a match straight up (not too long ago I gave her 9 strokes), but it would have only been $15 for a $5 Nassau.

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LOL, that's why I saying when I sat back and really thought about it my mind nearly exploded. Yeah, 3 and 4 piece seem to be "standard", 5 was different, I did play those Pentas when they came out, they were ok. My usual ball is the Bridgestone B330, it was a 4 piece, but the latest version is back to a 3 piece, plus is has some kind of "self repairing" resin cover. Not sure about the self repairing part, but I'm looking forward to trying them, someday...

 

I like the Penta but it is not a game changer. The 330 is easily on par with the ProV line. All multilayer balls are pretty good.

 

And LOL here is how my brain explodes when I think about all the variability of spin:

 

To start we look at impact. Spin comes from a) how much one side of the ball compresses relative to the other side and/or b) a tangential shear force on the surface of the ball. Two variables to evaluate so far. The velocity of the clubhead and the face angle were also variables, so add another two into the mix. Then the ball leaves the face at an initial spin rate, a specific launch angle, a specific velocity, and a specific acceleration rate. Add four more variables. And then there are all the ball properties...coefficient of friction of the surface material, coefficient of restitution of all the materials, the distribution of the materials, the dimple pattern, the number of dimples, multiple cores and layers...all of these can influence spin. And then on top of all this the math itself isn't pretty when you start getting into turbulence of air around the ball. It is just a mathematical mess to sift through it all.

 

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Ninja don't forget the Coriolis Effect :D LOL I keed

 

 

Chief, as far as focus goes I'm always trying to shoot a score. I'm always trying for par or better on every hole, every round. That's all I've ever known how to play lol. For the life of me I can't just go out and hit a few balls and not keep score, I'll do it mentally anyway. I visualize each shot, pre shot routine, hit the shot, accept result and move on. Between shots I'll chat it up or think about something else. Singing in my head usually works to shift my thoughts between shots. I guess, when I play I'm there with a killer instinct LOL even if it's nine during twilight, then I'm trying to break my 9 hole scoring record haha. Hope that helped is some way, BTW 280-300 off the tee very nice indeed!!!

 

Thug, sounds like a nice outing regardless of your play! Glad to hear your Daughter is progressing with her game and more importantly has a passion to play and improve! I wish ANYONE in my family played golf, but no one is interested unfortunately. True story, when I was younger I encouraged NOT to play golf, grew up very "old school" islander, you work or join the military, you have kids, golf??? That's for the rich lol

 

 

 

Edit: I sure have posted a bit today, I think this is the hardest I've ever blown in my WRX life LOL

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LOL Haminster Abbey, Bryson has a swing for the northern hemisphere and the southern one because of the Coriolis effect. He's working on moon position grip changes too.

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At a point I realized that my search was based on a false premise so to speak. I tried and tried to find THE correct datum that would somehow miraculously make me better. It never happened. Because I found that I was asking the wrong question. Instead of asking “where or what is the truth” I should have been asking “How do I determine what is the truth for me?” Not how can I convince others that this is the truth.

 

 

Hi vater, it sure is good to have you on here...

More thought for you. So if you determine what is the truth 'for you', then truth becomes variable, therefore truth is not Truth, only truth. So to convince others that to determine that what is simply truth for them (or what you have determined is the truth for you) is the truth is not really 'The Truth', but a personal interpretation of the truth. There is one Truth, it does not vary, nor is it open to individual interpretation. I think you were right in asking your original question, 'where or what is truth?' because there is an answer.

Isn't this place wonderful? :)

Your rendition here is almost art. That lies in the very definition of Truth.

Couldn't agree more.

For the Truth to be Truth it can only be the Truth if the person observing it is observing it on his own determinism and evaluation. Reality is though that truth is open to interpretation and the result is endless biggering. By observation it seems that seeing or realizing Truth can be unpleasant for many which is unfortunate. We see then that finding Truth relies wholy on the ability and willingness to observe what is.

 

Intelligent arguments in debates (in my opinion which may not be a Truth) are invitations to observation. At the other end of the scale you have arguments that are rendered as dictation and authority. They do not inspire observation thus leading you away from Truth.

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SSP, Vater & Ninz:

 

"It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him."

Max Planck

 

​And if anyone remembers Sun Ra, he was out there conceptually, this is perfect:

 

"What I'm dealing with is so vast and great that it can't be called the truth. It's above the truth."

Sun Ra

Damn… Planck nailed it with this one.

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Gah! TOOL.

 

Confession: I don't normally get involved in the blades vs GI debates but read some utter nonsense today from one of the usual suspects and I couldn't help myself. Saying a 6 time major winner is an idiot because he recommends beginners start the game using blades so they can learn how to strike the ball properly, then stating "I'm right and he's wrong" is beyond laughable.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...r/page__st__120

 

I was just lurking that thread and went TOOL whilst liking your posts in it!!! I gotta say, Wolf, I didn't know you had it in you. That was some artful post-fu. You were tangling with some of the most enabled and narcissistic blades trolls on WRX. Posts like yours bring out the best in them. Well done and well played. :hi:

 

Ha ha. Thank you Sir. You know me, I'm normally polite and refined, but my tolerance for BS like his is pretty much zero. It's not just the content, but the tone of it as well. Sometimes these people need to be called out. :stop:

 

 

 

 

Representing for my brothas!

 

That is classic. Love it!

Good Job there brothah---- spread the blade gospel!!

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Putter -- Cleveland Designed By 8802 style

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Here they are in all their glory . . .

 

 

 

Beauties lurk beneath . . .

 

 

Those are good looking heads there I have seen some of those in person. do I spot lead tape there? I must be having an effect on yet another person.

Driver--- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha--- Speeder 565 R flex

7W --- TM V Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex

9W--- TM V Steel Stock V Steel R flex shaft

Irons 4 thru PW 1985 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW -- Cleveland 588 56* Shaft Unknown

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Or something like this, tweaked accordingly.

 

 

There you go you have it. Like it. For some reason it was lurking in my mind that you Wolfie would come up with something!!!

Driver--- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha--- Speeder 565 R flex

7W --- TM V Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex

9W--- TM V Steel Stock V Steel R flex shaft

Irons 4 thru PW 1985 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW -- Cleveland 588 56* Shaft Unknown

LW Vokey SM5 L Grind 58* 04 bounce Stock Vokey Shaft

Putter -- Cleveland Designed By 8802 style

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Because 'El Bandito' had an impulsive moment this morning (snooze, you loose) and excess Paypal kapital needing dispersement:

 

 

 

Much better apparent condition than the current set.

 

Eff'ing WRX.

Great find Fella! You have a eye and skill set for finding good classic Hogans like I do with the Macs-- Do not despair in our classic world you have to jump when you find them--- It ain't like they still make hundreds of those sets everyday--- Feel good about finding them now someone has them that will appreciate them and play with them!!

Driver--- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha--- Speeder 565 R flex

7W --- TM V Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex

9W--- TM V Steel Stock V Steel R flex shaft

Irons 4 thru PW 1985 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW -- Cleveland 588 56* Shaft Unknown

LW Vokey SM5 L Grind 58* 04 bounce Stock Vokey Shaft

Putter -- Cleveland Designed By 8802 style

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Interesting, taking a minute to absorb what I just read...Also realizing that there are LOTS of variables in play here, it kinda just blew my mind LOL I've also seen/heard Bryson finds the balance in his golf balls by filling a bathtub and putting the balls in there, I'd imagine you'd have to add something to the water (epson salt?) . They mentioned it in passing as I was watching a tournament that he was playing, they even showed a pic of his balls (golf) in the tub (teeheeeeehehee) :D

 

 

TooLeD

 

I misunderstood what you asked about balance point based on what you said about Bryson! Sorry!

 

Yes based on what Bryson is doing it is insignificant. He is finding where the CG is offset from perfect center. In theory this may cause the put to wobble offline if not lined up properly but I highly doubt it matters for reasons stated about too many variables.

 

What I thought you meant about balance point was if there was an ideal RG for a golf ball.

 

Also sorry I did not know the CG was offset in a bowling ball. Hence my ignorance of balance point.

Maltby was into that balancing thing years ago. He did a video on it and at one time sold a solution that you put into water that made the balls float. It may have been Epson Salts I have no idea at all what it was. I do know what Epson Salts does in regard to speficic gravity in water just like the Dead Sea just about anything will float and it makes sense to me that the heavy side would turn down. I can see that theory with the wound liquid core balls back in the day. But with the manufacturing techniques and machinery today I do not really see it--- But I will defer to Bryson because he has a great mind from what I have seen and read so he in all probability knows something I do not

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7W --- TM V Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex

9W--- TM V Steel Stock V Steel R flex shaft

Irons 4 thru PW 1985 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW -- Cleveland 588 56* Shaft Unknown

LW Vokey SM5 L Grind 58* 04 bounce Stock Vokey Shaft

Putter -- Cleveland Designed By 8802 style

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LOL Haminster Abbey, Bryson has a swing for the northern hemisphere and the southern one because of the Coriolis effect. He's working on moon position grip changes too.

 

I knew it!!! Unturned no stone leaves does he (Yoda voice) :D

 

Coriolis Effect. I'll be dipped, learn something new everyday around here. Since hanging around this locale, read more about physics than I have in the last 40 years. (Except for occasional Quantum readings). This explains why I seemingly miss putts to the right, the northern hemisphere Coriolis Force.

 

Ninz, based on the following equation, need a correction factor to account for the 'Force'. Your expertise in such matters is greatly admired. Therefore, we are dependent upon you to provide us with the necessary computations. TIA.

 

The equation may be multiplied by the mass of the relevant object to produce the Coriolis force:

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Edit Note: Just went back to the Coriolis Wiki page. There are a slew of additional equations to vector. By head hurts looking at them all this early in the morning. Could I get that correction factor by 3:00 p.m. EDT? Playing a Mother's Day 9 with the Mrs.

Laissez les bons temps rouler!

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