How many wraps equal mid-size?

[801]

GP Tour Velvet standard 60 core on a .600 butt iron (standard stuff here).

How many wraps of tape would bring it up to equal GP Tour Velvet Mid-size? Anyone know?

I've got two wraps under my standard TV's right now ... and want to go a little bigger ... but not quite to mid-size ...

so before I start gripping and ripping and re-gripping ... thought I'd throw this out to the experts here on wrx. thanks all.

[Matt J]

Depends on the tape. If you use standard Golfsmith double-sided grip tape, I've had good luck with 3 wraps. Actually prefer the stretched feel of the standard with less taper than the mid-size that seems heavier and has more taper.

[Puppetmaster]

For me, it seems like +4 wraps is closer to midsize, but it also depends on what midsize grip you're comparing to. I've found that Lamkin midsize is a tough larger than GP, followed by Winn midsize, which is the thinnest feeling. And as posted above, it depends on the tape, but +3 is probably a safe bet since you want something a little less than midsize.

[Golfrnut]

To get to midsize with standard grip tape....6-8. Normal double sided tape is about .007-.01" thick.

 

And to be aware, that much grip tape usually ends up pretty bulky...and to some can feel a bit "mushy" or "soft". Going to be different for everyone.

[Stuart_G]

Based on what Golfworks reports (I wont get into what's 'normal' or not), their double sided adds about 0.014" and their build up tape adds about 0.010". Yes, the thickness of the tape is less but remember for grip size we are dealing with diameters, not radius so have to double the thickness to get how much the size increases. Yes, obviously different sources for tape can have different thicknesses and different results.

 

Midsize (+1/16th) would mean about 6 extra layers of build-up tape or an extra 4-5 layers of double sided. That's extra layers, doesn't include the final double sided layer.

[trying2scratch]

Print off the chart from the link at the bottom of the page.

 

http://www.golfworks.ca/grip-sizing/a/483/

 

Just remember that std masking tape is NOT the same thickness as the golf specific build up tape.

[801]

Nice chart. Well done. I knew the answer to my question was out there.

So it looks like 6 wraps to get to mid-size with my 60 on .600 Tour Velvets. Maybe 4 wraps of the double-sided tape I use.

Thanks again, trying2scratch .... this chart is awesome and is going right up on my basement workshop wall right above my gripping station.

[trying2scratch]

No probs, def a good reference tool. Still might need some slight tweaking due to variances in tapes and grips but a good guideline.

 

Using air to install makes life alot easier too, especially if your building up. I found I really liked just between midsize and jumbo with an extra wrap or 2 under the low hand. Never would have even tried that if I knew I would have to deal with grip tape and solvent and removal. Experiment, you may be pleasantly surprised with your ball flight.

[puttitin]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600.

Can the experts help explain?

[Stuart_G]

"under the grip" mean he put the extra wraps between the shaft and the grip - not just on the bottom half of the shaft - so no not 1/2 of +1/32

[Golfrnut]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

 

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900"

 

3 wraps = .030"+-

 

so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

[Socrates]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

 

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900"

 

3 wraps = .030"+-

 

so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ?

 

If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

[Golfrnut]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900" 3 wraps = .030"+- so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ? If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

 

Nah.

 

The .010 is the effective diameter change.

 

I guess I should have clarified that in my earlier post.

[Stuart_G]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

 

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900"

 

3 wraps = .030"+-

 

so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ?

 

If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

 

.600 butt + .600 core grip + 1 wrap of double sided tape = 0.900.

 

+2 wraps of double sided tape ~= +0.030 or +1/32.

 

Would need +3 wraps of build up take to get the same results.

 

+0.010 is the add, not the thickness. Thickness is more like 0.005-0.006.

[Golfrnut]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900" 3 wraps = .030"+- so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ? If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

.600 butt + .600 core grip + 1 wrap of double sided tape = 0.900. +2 wraps of double sided tape ~= +0.030 or +1/32. Would need +3 wraps of build up take to get the same results.

 

Build-up tape is normally thicker than the standard stuff. At least the build-up tape that I am thinking about, which is the kind that you buy from places like Mitchell that is .015 per layer. Now, if we are talking about using one-sided tape as build-up...then whole different ball game.

[Socrates]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900" 3 wraps = .030"+- so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ? If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

.600 butt + .600 core grip + 1 wrap of double sided tape = 0.900. +2 wraps of double sided tape ~= +0.030 or +1/32. Would need +3 wraps of build up take to get the same results.

 

Build-up tape is normally thicker than the standard stuff. At least the build-up tape that I am thinking about, which is the kind that you buy from places like Mitchell that is .015 per layer. Now, if we are talking about using one-sided tape as build-up...then whole different ball game.

The Mitchell stuff is thick like you mention. I tried to get some "build up tape" from Billy Bobs and I got .005 which I could have got down at Home Depot. Just wanted it to be clear on the above measurements.

[Stuart_G]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900" 3 wraps = .030"+- so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ? If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

.600 butt + .600 core grip + 1 wrap of double sided tape = 0.900. +2 wraps of double sided tape ~= +0.030 or +1/32. Would need +3 wraps of build up take to get the same results.

 

Build-up tape is normally thicker than the standard stuff. At least the build-up tape that I am thinking about, which is the kind that you buy from places like Mitchell that is .015 per layer. Now, if we are talking about using one-sided tape as build-up...then whole different ball game.

 

I use the Golfworks build up tape, it's thinner then the standard double sided tape - thickness more like 0.005. Most build up tape I've seen is thinner - but I've never seen or used the Mitchell tape or shopped around that extensively either.

[Golfrnut]

Thicker than the normal stuff so it directly upsizes by 1/64". Makes the math easier. Also less wraps if doing multiple wraps.

 

http://www.mitchellgolf.com/1-64-Thick-Grip-Build-Up-Tape-2-x-60-Yard-Roll.html

[Stuart_G]

Interesting thanks. But 0.010 makes the math pretty simple too. I never like fractions :-)

[Golfrnut]

.015 then?!?! :)

[The General]

all Lamkins are .580 core and GP are .600

[Webb26]

For me, it seems like +4 wraps is closer to midsize, but it also depends on what midsize grip you're comparing to. I've found that Lamkin midsize is a tough larger than GP, followed by Winn midsize, which is the thinnest feeling. And as posted above, it depends on the tape, but +3 is probably a safe bet since you want something a little less than midsize.

 

I'm on you with this one. I usually just wrap and measure the diameter with my caliper till it hits the +1/16 from whatever diameter was without wrap, but I always start with 3 and then go on from there.

[Socrates]

all Lamkins are .580 core and GP are .600

Not true. There are variations of both core sizes from both companies for many styles.

[Wolfpack7]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

 

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900"

 

3 wraps = .030"+-

 

so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ?

 

If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

 

.600 butt + .600 core grip + 1 wrap of double sided tape = 0.900.

 

+2 wraps of double sided tape ~= +0.030 or +1/32.

 

Would need +3 wraps of build up take to get the same results.

 

+0.010 is the add, not the thickness. Thickness is more like 0.005-0.006.

 

I'm starting to tinker with my grips and I can't follow how these things are measured. Someone, please help me understand this.

 

The butt of the shaft is .600 in diameter. Easy enough. I have also heard the term ".600 core grip". I'm assuming that means the interior diameter of the grip is .600? If so, how does adding that, plus the butt... equal .900?

[Golfrnut]

My club builder shows my grips have Quote 3 wraps under the grip = +1/32" Unquote . I understand this to mean he put on the tape wrap on the under side of the shaft. So to me the thickness would be Half of 1/32". Maybe I don't understand this at all. The Grip is .600 core and the shaft butt is also .600. Can the experts help explain?

 

60 grip + .600 shaft = .900"

 

3 wraps = .030"+-

 

so you are + 1/32 of an inch....

Wouldn't that be 3 wraps = .060 ?

 

If you have a tape thickness of .010 and each wrap of tape adds .20 to the diameter (.010 to the radius).

 

.600 butt + .600 core grip + 1 wrap of double sided tape = 0.900.

 

+2 wraps of double sided tape ~= +0.030 or +1/32.

 

Would need +3 wraps of build up take to get the same results.

 

+0.010 is the add, not the thickness. Thickness is more like 0.005-0.006.

 

I'm starting to tinker with my grips and I can't follow how these things are measured. Someone, please help me understand this.

 

The butt of the shaft is .600 in diameter. Easy enough. I have also heard the term ".600 core grip". I'm assuming that means the interior diameter of the grip is .600? If so, how does adding that, plus the butt... equal .900?

 

You are correct, a "60" or .600 grip is referencing the inside diameter. Grips are actually one thing that have a general standard that everyone references. A "standard" grip is built to have a .900 outside diameter when installed on an equivalent shaft diameter. (I.E. a standard 60 grip on a .600 shaft will install to .900. Same for say a 58 on a .580 shaft.) When you install say a 58 on a .600, a 58 is thicker due to building a .580 shaft up to .900, so you end up with a larger finished grip size because you are now installing a thicker grip on a shaft that is larger than what it was designed for. The .900 references the outside diameter, the grip number references the inside diameter. It is a bit confusing.

 

Just for reference, the finished grip diameter(outside) measurement is normally taken 2" down from the ridge of the grip cap.

[Wolfpack7]

 

I'm starting to tinker with my grips and I can't follow how these things are measured. Someone, please help me understand this.

 

The butt of the shaft is .600 in diameter. Easy enough. I have also heard the term ".600 core grip". I'm assuming that means the interior diameter of the grip is .600? If so, how does adding that, plus the butt... equal .900?

 

You are correct, a "60" or .600 grip is referencing the inside diameter. Grips are actually one thing that have a general standard that everyone references. A "standard" grip is built to have a .900 outside diameter when installed on an equivalent shaft diameter. (I.E. a standard 60 grip on a .600 shaft will install to .900. Same for say a 58 on a .580 shaft.) When you install say a 58 on a .600, a 58 is thicker due to building a .580 shaft up to .900, so you end up with a larger finished grip size because you are now installing a thicker grip on a shaft that is larger than what it was designed for. The .900 references the outside diameter, the grip number references the inside diameter. It is a bit confusing.

 

Just for reference, the finished grip diameter(outside) measurement is normally taken 2" down from the ridge of the grip cap.

 

I follow now. Great explanation Golfrnut, much appreciated. One question remains. What's the outside diameter for a midsize .600? I've seen 1/32 and 1/16 over standard mentioned on various threads, but debate seems to surround which is the "standard for midsize".

[Golfrnut]

I'm starting to tinker with my grips and I can't follow how these things are measured. Someone, please help me understand this.

 

The butt of the shaft is .600 in diameter. Easy enough. I have also heard the term ".600 core grip". I'm assuming that means the interior diameter of the grip is .600? If so, how does adding that, plus the butt... equal .900?

 

You are correct, a "60" or .600 grip is referencing the inside diameter. Grips are actually one thing that have a general standard that everyone references. A "standard" grip is built to have a .900 outside diameter when installed on an equivalent shaft diameter. (I.E. a standard 60 grip on a .600 shaft will install to .900. Same for say a 58 on a .580 shaft.) When you install say a 58 on a .600, a 58 is thicker due to building a .580 shaft up to .900, so you end up with a larger finished grip size because you are now installing a thicker grip on a shaft that is larger than what it was designed for. The .900 references the outside diameter, the grip number references the inside diameter. It is a bit confusing.

 

Just for reference, the finished grip diameter(outside) measurement is normally taken 2" down from the ridge of the grip cap.

 

I follow now. Great explanation Golfrnut, much appreciated. One question remains. What's the outside diameter for a midsize .600? I've seen 1/32 and 1/16 over standard mentioned on various threads, but debate seems to surround which is the "standard for midsize".

 

If memory serves me right they are 1/32.

[Wolfpack7]

I'm starting to tinker with my grips and I can't follow how these things are measured. Someone, please help me understand this.

 

The butt of the shaft is .600 in diameter. Easy enough. I have also heard the term ".600 core grip". I'm assuming that means the interior diameter of the grip is .600? If so, how does adding that, plus the butt... equal .900?

 

You are correct, a "60" or .600 grip is referencing the inside diameter. Grips are actually one thing that have a general standard that everyone references. A "standard" grip is built to have a .900 outside diameter when installed on an equivalent shaft diameter. (I.E. a standard 60 grip on a .600 shaft will install to .900. Same for say a 58 on a .580 shaft.) When you install say a 58 on a .600, a 58 is thicker due to building a .580 shaft up to .900, so you end up with a larger finished grip size because you are now installing a thicker grip on a shaft that is larger than what it was designed for. The .900 references the outside diameter, the grip number references the inside diameter. It is a bit confusing.

 

Just for reference, the finished grip diameter(outside) measurement is normally taken 2" down from the ridge of the grip cap.

 

I follow now. Great explanation Golfrnut, much appreciated. One question remains. What's the outside diameter for a midsize .600? I've seen 1/32 and 1/16 over standard mentioned on various threads, but debate seems to surround which is the "standard for midsize".

 

If memory serves me right they are 1/32.

 

Awesome. Thanks again for all the help.

[Stuart_G]

One question remains. What's the outside diameter for a midsize .600? I've seen 1/32 and 1/16 over standard mentioned on various threads, but debate seems to surround which is the "standard for midsize".

 

If memory serves me right they are 1/32.

 

Awesome. Thanks again for all the help.

 

Yes some "midsize" grips are +1/32 and some will be +1/16. I believe the later is actually more common but I've seen nothing to indicate any uniform standard exists (or ever did) - hence why such debates continue to happen. And to make it worse, unfortunately many grip companies don't always publish that particular spec so it's not always easy to check which is which.

[kiwii]

Just to be clarify, +3 wraps entails 4 wraps total because there is always going to be one wrap assumed. So for those who are saying +3 wraps and those who say "4 wraps" they are both right. I believe the golfworks chart assume this as well.