Confessions 12 --- Exploding Heads

[Conrad1953]

So, who was it that was mocking that TBaG commercial with Jason

hitting the M2 irons??!!

 

He hit an M2 2 iron 308 off the tee on 18 today. That's disgusting!!!!

 

Those have to be tramp face irons for the ball to go that far, lol.

 

Meh....it was downwind. :cheesy:

 

Everyone on the tee must have passed gas. Mushed Fartatos!!!!

 

If he takes that to Troon....LOOKOUT!!

 

Ya, I would think so. Just leave driver and FWs at home, lol. He could

probably do the same at Oakmont.

 

I think last time at Oakmont in '07 they had a 300 yard par 3. No prob

with that 2 iron.

 

I think it's funny that the USGA sets up a course and breaks their own

rules for how long a hole can be based on the par. Maybe they'll have an

800 yard par 5 at Oakmont this year, lol.

[DeNinny]

What is the loft of the M2 2i?

[Matt J]

7 degrees?

 

:)

[DeNinny]

7 degrees?

 

:)

 

Hee hee. I saw the 3i m2 tour retail was 18.5*, so maybe the 2i is 16.5*. That's a 4w. But still a 300 yd 4w is insane too.

[Michael C.]

So, who was it that was mocking that TBaG commercial with Jason

hitting the M2 irons??!!

 

He hit an M2 2 iron 308 off the tee on 18 today. That's disgusting!!!!

 

Those have to be tramp face irons for the ball to go that far, lol.

 

Meh....it was downwind. :cheesy:

 

Everyone on the tee must have passed gas. Mushed Fartatos!!!!

 

If he takes that to Troon....LOOKOUT!!

 

Ya, I would think so. Just leave driver and FWs at home, lol. He could

probably do the same at Oakmont.

 

I think last time at Oakmont in '07 they had a 300 yard par 3. No prob

with that 2 iron.

 

I think it's funny that the USGA sets up a course and breaks their own

rules for how long a hole can be based on the par. Maybe they'll have an

800 yard par 5 at Oakmont this year, lol.

 

USGA always does that. They'll take a par 72 and make it par 70 with 2 par 4s playing 500 yards. I can't identify with the game the men play. The courses are so long and the greens slicker than....bikini wax. ;)

 

It does bring out the best, though. They always talk about high Jason hits the ball and that most people that think they hit it too high really aren't hitting it high enough. It'll be exciting to go watch the Web.com guys when they come here. I want to watch their trajectory. I went and watched the LPGA a few times and they're the opposite, I thought. They hit their irons with a lower trajectory.

[Conrad1953]

7 degrees?

 

:)

 

Hee hee. I saw the 3i m2 tour retail was 18.5*, so maybe the 2i is 16.5*. That's a 4w. But still a 300 yd 4w is insane too.

 

These irons/driving irons may end up rendering hybrids/FWs obsolete. I've

yet to hit one. I guess I better get with it and try a few out.

[DeNinny]

7 degrees?

 

:)

 

Hee hee. I saw the 3i m2 tour retail was 18.5*, so maybe the 2i is 16.5*. That's a 4w. But still a 300 yd 4w is insane too.

 

These irons/driving irons may end up rendering hybrids/FWs obsolete. I've

yet to hit one. I guess I better get with it and try a few out.

 

It depends if they have any better dispersion at those distances. I have seen Sergio nuke a 5i blade 250 yds off a tee once too. But still, 300 yards is freaking insane. And yes, a lot of it does have to do with that speed pocket trampoline face. If you can nut that thing pure, the ball will come off that face with as minimal spin as possible and thus it will fly like a flier lie. I can see Day nuking that thing pure all 'day' long.

[Conrad1953]

 

 

Meh....it was downwind. :cheesy:

 

Everyone on the tee must have passed gas. Mushed Fartatos!!!!

 

If he takes that to Troon....LOOKOUT!!

 

Ya, I would think so. Just leave driver and FWs at home, lol. He could

probably do the same at Oakmont.

 

I think last time at Oakmont in '07 they had a 300 yard par 3. No prob

with that 2 iron.

 

I think it's funny that the USGA sets up a course and breaks their own

rules for how long a hole can be based on the par. Maybe they'll have an

800 yard par 5 at Oakmont this year, lol.

 

USGA always does that. They'll take a par 72 and make it par 70 with 2 par 4s playing 500 yards. I can't identify with the game the men play. The courses are so long and the greens slicker than....bikini wax. ;)

 

It does bring out the best, though. They always talk about high Jason hits the ball and that most people that think they hit it too high really aren't hitting it high enough. It'll be exciting to go watch the Web.com guys when they come here. I want to watch their trajectory. I went and watched the LPGA a few times and they're the opposite, I thought. They hit their irons with a lower trajectory.

 

Ya, I know. In 07', according to their own guidelines the max for a par 3

was 250 yards I think.......so they did a 300 yarder at Oakmont.

 

It's no sweat of my back, lol, and I enjoy watching the pros get tested.

It's gonna be interesting to see how they set up Oakmont this time

around.

 

BTW, I was playing a course once in Illinois and was talking to the

asst pro about the tee boxes. I mentioned liking par 5s I could reach

in 2 and she said if you can reach a par 5 in 2 and there are tee boxes

behind you then you should move back and play the course as it's

supposed to be played.

 

Do any of you do this, i.e., move back until you can no longer reach a

par 5 in 2? It makes sense but flies in the face of all this tee it forward

stuff.

 

It only matters on one course (Senator) where I play. The other 2 courses

(Judge and Ledge) from the whites I can't reach the par 5s anyway, lol,

And there are 3 more tee boxes behind the whites.

[Conrad1953]

7 degrees?

 

:)

 

Hee hee. I saw the 3i m2 tour retail was 18.5*, so maybe the 2i is 16.5*. That's a 4w. But still a 300 yd 4w is insane too.

 

These irons/driving irons may end up rendering hybrids/FWs obsolete. I've

yet to hit one. I guess I better get with it and try a few out.

 

It depends if they have any better dispersion at those distances. I have seen Sergio nuke a 5i blade 250 yds off a tee once too. But still, 300 yards is freaking insane. And yes, a lot of it does have to do with that speed pocket trampoline face. If you can nut that thing pure, the ball will come off that face with as minimal spin as possible and thus it will fly like a flier lie. I can see Day nuking that thing pure all 'day' long.

 

I haven't looked myself but saw in another thread that the standard, off the

rack M2 irons has a 21.5 degree 5 iron. That is insane, too, lol.

[DeNinny]

7 degrees?

 

:)

 

Hee hee. I saw the 3i m2 tour retail was 18.5*, so maybe the 2i is 16.5*. That's a 4w. But still a 300 yd 4w is insane too.

 

These irons/driving irons may end up rendering hybrids/FWs obsolete. I've

yet to hit one. I guess I better get with it and try a few out.

 

It depends if they have any better dispersion at those distances. I have seen Sergio nuke a 5i blade 250 yds off a tee once too. But still, 300 yards is freaking insane. And yes, a lot of it does have to do with that speed pocket trampoline face. If you can nut that thing pure, the ball will come off that face with as minimal spin as possible and thus it will fly like a flier lie. I can see Day nuking that thing pure all 'day' long.

 

I haven't looked myself but saw in another thread that the standard, off the

rack M2 irons has a 21.5 degree 5 iron. That is insane, too, lol.

 

...which brings us full circle back to why I mocked the TBag commercial, jack loft!

[Michael C.]

7 degrees?

 

:)

 

Hee hee. I saw the 3i m2 tour retail was 18.5*, so maybe the 2i is 16.5*. That's a 4w. But still a 300 yd 4w is insane too.

 

These irons/driving irons may end up rendering hybrids/FWs obsolete. I've

yet to hit one. I guess I better get with it and try a few out.

 

It depends if they have any better dispersion at those distances. I have seen Sergio nuke a 5i blade 250 yds off a tee once too. But still, 300 yards is freaking insane. And yes, a lot of it does have to do with that speed pocket trampoline face. If you can nut that thing pure, the ball will come off that face with as minimal spin as possible and thus it will fly like a flier lie. I can see Day nuking that thing pure all 'day' long.

 

I haven't looked myself but saw in another thread that the standard, off the

rack M2 irons has a 21.5 degree 5 iron. That is insane, too, lol.

 

Those M2 2 irons will be on back order by 10 am Monday morning. Lol.

[Matt J]

Day plays the RSi's not the M2's. The RSi 3 iron is 20 degrees, so his 2 iron was custom, probably 17 degrees. He also plays their UDI driving irons on some courses. I hit the six iron the length of my 5 hybrid in the M2's I don't think they market these clubs to a guy that can hit long irons. I don't even know if you can get a 2 or 3 iron in the M2's. *Just checked, you can't. They only make a 4 iron and up and the 4i is 19 degrees of loft. That's what I'll remember about that iron was that it was pretty much a 6 iron hybrid hybrid. Double hybrid. A hybrid made to look like a Frankenstein iron. I hit it the same distance as a 24 degree hybrid.

 

Speaking of... just noticed looking those lofts up that I think I've opened up a 7 degree loft gap between my 5 hybrid and 6 iron. The distances seem to be okay though, so I guess I'll leave it that way. I think probably 165 to 175 isn't covered that well, but so be it.

 

Day certainly has plenty of distance. I don't know why, but I have a hard time cheering for him. I was really hoping Matsuyama would chase him down today.

[Matt J]

'Rad, as far as reaching the par 5's in two...

 

depends on the day. IMO, it hones different parts of your game to tee it forward versus playing a box that offers more challenge. I typically play from whichever tee boxes are appropriate for the entire group meaning the shortest player is still going to have fun.

 

Sometimes we have a group of better players and move back and that's fun. From our Championship tees at 7,200 I can't reach any of the par 5's and two of the par 4's become tough for me to reach in two, but from the next box up at 6,600, it's unlikely but possible on two of the four par 5's. From the next box up at 6,000 yards I can usually reach 2 of them if I hit a good drive.

[Palauan Hammer]

From what I could see in the telecast Day's 2 iron looks like and RSI TP, or basically MAWBAB.

 

Speaking of tee box selection, one of the best things that I ever did for my game was playing from whites (or reds), basically the shortest set of tees or the next set back. The whole idea is to go as low as possible. It teaches you how to get comfortable going low and you'd be surprised how easily it translates when you move back. Its fun, and good for your game too!

[Palauan Hammer]

So today I decided to swing my new irons outside today. I've been trying not to wear them out on my crappy hard pan, rocky yard but I can't keep swinging my old clubs. First off, I almost couldn't tell them apart at address LOL, these MB's don't really look all that different, except the 3 and 4, those are butter knifes. I like that I can feel the head weight more with the MB's through the swing, and those modus shafts feel nice through the impact area. Like all the bad vibrations are filtered out. I also notice they are considerably fatter in the mid section of the shaft which doesn't surprise me as I know they really beefed up the mid section of these Modus 130's. When I take a divot, after finding grass LOL, I can feel that the tip on these iron shafts are fairly smooth and active. These things are gonna be great when I get back out there.

 

That was my attempt to feel like I'm a golfer, nothing like an equipment review without hitting balls ;)

[Pigems]

I finally found a decent push cart, got'er for $50. Only used twice and then the fella got a new Knee and can't walk anymore. I'm stoked to try it out!! Gonna need a new cart bag though lol.

[billh17]

I finally found a decent push cart, got'er for $50. Only used twice and then the fella got a new Knee and can't walk anymore. I'm stoked to try it out!! Gonna need a new cart bag though lol.

 

looks like a good find ! hard to find one that isn't dinged up

[billh17]

hey RAD just read an interview with Clay Long....the guy who used to make The Golden Bear's clubs......Turns out that Jack

had a standard grind on his wedges...narrow soul- high bounce- about 17 degrees-and a standard heel.....

He is the designer of the Taylormade ATV and the Tour preferred wedges. Was a very interesting article.

[Conrad1953]

I know Jason plays the RSI 2 irons. They said on the radio he had an M2

2 iron he was hitting off the tee instead of his 3 wood. Maybe they were

just helping TBaG market the M2 irons, lol.

 

I heard parts of his presser where he talked about not having confidence with

his 3 wood and was gonna use a 2 iron instead. I got the impression it wasn't

his RSI 2 2 iron. Maybe it was the UDI but I swear I thought I heard them say

it was an M2 2 iron.

 

Oh well, whichever one it was he was smoking it for sure.

 

WRX needs to put up his Players winning WITB. I looked for it but didn't see

it.......yet.

[Conrad1953]

hey RAD just read an interview with Clay Long....the guy who used to make The Golden Bear's clubs......Turns out that Jack

had a standard grind on his wedges...narrow soul- high bounce- about 17 degrees-and a standard heel.....

He is the designer of the Taylormade ATV and the Tour preferred wedges. Was a very interesting article.

 

I'm not surprised Bill. I'm thinking that maybe these courses are so well

conditioned now that the players no longer need that much bounce......

 

I noticed on the Ping website that the Eye 2 Gorge wedges have

"effective bounce" listed and it's 7.5 degrees.

 

We now see all these sole size and grind options and "effective" bounce

listings that maybe a single bounce number is no longer meaningful.

[DeNinny]

Yesterday I was examining the new Titleist K grind 60* wedges. I looked at the bottom of the 08* and 12* bounce versions. When I set both shafts verticle and set the leading edges to the same height, the 08* bounce bottom was nearly level flat (<-there was a little curvature) and the 12* bounce bottom was about 1-2 mm lower than the leading edge about 1 cm back from it. (FYI this was measurement 1) per my 'quiz'.) I didn't see any big difference in the leading edge roundedness. That 1-2 mm lower bottom will just hit the ground first compared to the flatter bottom 08* bounce wedge.

[scotee]

I know Jason plays the RSI 2 irons. They said on the radio he had an M2

2 iron he was hitting off the tee instead of his 3 wood. Maybe they were

just helping TBaG market the M2 irons, lol.

 

I heard parts of his presser where he talked about not having confidence with

his 3 wood and was gonna use a 2 iron instead. I got the impression it wasn't

his RSI 2 2 iron. Maybe it was the UDI but I swear I thought I heard them say

it was an M2 2 iron.

 

Oh well, whichever one it was he was smoking it for sure.

 

WRX needs to put up his Players winning WITB. I looked for it but didn't see

it.......yet.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...-day-witb-2016/

 

I don't know if it is correct but here ya go

 

WITB Notes: Day switches between a TaylorMade UDI 1 iron, a UDI 2 iron, an RSi 2-iron and an RSi TP 3-iron depending on course conditions. His 52-degree wedge is bent to 54 degrees, and his 58-degree wedge is bent to 60 degrees.

[Reasonability]

Scotee - many more happy returns and well done to have celebrated another great year - even though moving sucked. Keep on keeping on. Keep the mass turning. One day there will be a Masters practice round and we both will be selected in the lottery - See you there my friend.

 

BTW - all those who haven't should enter the lottery online for next year's Masters.

 

Ham - I don't underestimate this crowd one bit when it comes to absorbing truly solid swing and practice drills. Many of these guys are just like anyone in that they take in some things - deflect other things. But I have to say your notions of swinging with the eyes closes, swinging SLOWLY at first, "soft eyes" when putting, playing more forward tees to get the mind accustomed to better scoring.... you have an entire repertoire of purely golden ideas that so many golfers would absolutely benefit from. Well played!

 

Pige - nice cart! Why change the bag? (curiosity)

 

MC - Glad you exchanged emails or PMs with your pro. Considering an actual video lesson with him? Those latest approaches you're taking in terms of swing feels and thoughts - Were it me, I'd stick with exactly those same ideas. That "L" formed between your lead side arm the and shaft will operate smoothly and efficiently as you continue down those paths (IMO). You will SMOOTHLY roll that whole "unit" or "structure" formed at the top (that being the trail elbow, bend in the back of the trail wrist, the shaft, your lead arm)... that whole smash will roll down from the top on plane... that "L" might even grow in angle slightly on the way down... and that "L" will indeed dump with ease off of a straighter lead side arm... and do so as the handle gets near your lead side thigh....by heading down the path you are on. I REALIZE it's YOUR journey and not mine. I KNOW you like controlling your own destiny. And I APPRECIATE my nonsense is not necessary going to make it's way into how YOU manage things. All I'm flopping out there is I absolutely HAVE to believe that you are setting the stage by focusing on the things you mentioned... for things to sort of go on autopilot. Effortless power - as they say. I know you, MJ, and several of the guys here work HARD on your game and swing. Many of you fellers are putting in the reps - just as Ham does. But there is very purposeful practice that drives forward great feels and leads to a simpler swing that requires less and less of a checklist and extraneous manipulations and corrections to execute.

 

Big Stu - I must say you too are impressing the living crap out of me lately. You also have had others analyze and go into tell mode trying to get you to do this or don't do that (including your dad - rest his soul). And through all those years you were bound and determined to do your own thing since it all gave you very nice results. BUT... here you are lately openly discussing changes you've incorporated, both to your swing and your equipment. And your GIRs and such are on the climb. You too are clearly always be your own best coach on these things... but holy cow... you're engaging in very purposeful and clear pathways to make things work and your ball striking is even better that before. My compliments.

 

Matt goes out there an practices until his hands bleed - blows out his back lately. Another HARD working confessioner putting in the reps - another man who knows what FOR HIM is allowed "in" is way of computing things and what is "out". Another club bender and shaft experimenter. Who better to learn from than these guys who grind it out day and night getting things dialed-in on they own journey?

 

Bill - hoping the physical mending continues. It was interesting to read how your confidence soars as the shorter clubs hit your hands. Would love to continue being kept informed as your physical side continues to mend and your journey on shaft lengths and such continues. Great stuff.

 

If Sixty has "left the building" so to speak.... that represents a loss. IF you're out there lurking 60.... you are missed. And if you see this post... I "get it" when it comes to feeling about ready to pack it in. (Believe me - I meant that one with my very soul). But please know you would be counted in anyone's book as one of the best of the best on this board. Not having your voice to cling to form time to time represents a loss. Maybe the day will come when you can rejoin us and figure out which hills to die on and which ones to sort of pass by without getting too personally absorbed in. We all would love having you back if/when that day comes. If not.... BELIEVE ME.... I "get it". If you see this and this one is good-bye... please KNOW you are missed and its our loss.

 

Rad - your summation of the way equipment - longer par 3s - and the upcoming US Open might lay out is some GOOD reading my friend. You continue to amaze me...and all of us for that matter. Somehow - despite the thousands of miles rolling under your arse - the long spells between play - your wisdom from swings to equipment to the tour talk - to finite details about course management - not to mention your kindness of spirit here on the board... it's crazy how in touch you are and how deeply you relate to all things golf.... especially the GOLFERS. You're one in a million.

 

9-3 drills... Hogan wrote about in the 1950s, Slicefixer in recent times, MC's favorite instructor posts about it from time to time, and any golfer I've ever personally seen who commits to it... Have never once seen it hurt anyone's game but have seen it help many-o-game....for what it's worth. Must be something to it?

 

Oh and one last moment of ranting here as I tend to chime in a little less of late....

 

Something back there was said about bicycles being some "off limits" topic. LMAO... that one goes right back to comments from yours truly. Guys - I have ZERO editing, control, censorship, domain, rule, or moderation chops. Say whatever you want and don't let my personal wants and will have one iota of weight in what YOU want or care to share. I'll deal with me and my reactions to anything and everything - but you owe ME nothing on these fronts.

 

It so happens (just to reiterate)...I believe it's a matter of design and intent when it comes to the interstates and highways. As I see it - people die on the roads enough as it is. 99.9999% of collisions are preventable. We don't teach our children to play in the street.... but somewhere along the way it became OK to place motor vehicles and bikes in the same space - and in doing so we decided its not only the motorists responsibility - but FAULT lies with he who has the motorized vehicle if/when a situation arises. By popular demand - and despite the fact original design and intent is being subordinated - drivers are ALL being forced to deal with 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag while off-road biking, stationary bikes and gyms, and quiet neighborhoods filled with miles of cul-de-sacs sit idle. Just because this is MY take on it does NOT mean any of you who see it entirely differently aren't fully entitled to your take. Now where I draw the line is....Its more than a little possible that the first golfer who shows up on the first tee sporting a spandex outfit, rear view mirrored wrap-around glasses, and an aero-dynamic golf hat... and tees it up with me???? That guy need to ALWAYS be playing and standing BEHIND me. I could bring a whole new meaning to friendly fire in such cases - lol.

 

End of rant. (and come home 60...if you want to at least).

[Conrad1953]

I know Jason plays the RSI 2 irons. They said on the radio he had an M2

2 iron he was hitting off the tee instead of his 3 wood. Maybe they were

just helping TBaG market the M2 irons, lol.

 

I heard parts of his presser where he talked about not having confidence with

his 3 wood and was gonna use a 2 iron instead. I got the impression it wasn't

his RSI 2 2 iron. Maybe it was the UDI but I swear I thought I heard them say

it was an M2 2 iron.

 

Oh well, whichever one it was he was smoking it for sure.

 

WRX needs to put up his Players winning WITB. I looked for it but didn't see

it.......yet.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...-day-witb-2016/

 

I don't know if it is correct but here ya go

 

WITB Notes: Day switches between a TaylorMade UDI 1 iron, a UDI 2 iron, an RSi 2-iron and an RSi TP 3-iron depending on course conditions. His 52-degree wedge is bent to 54 degrees, and his 58-degree wedge is bent to 60 degrees.

 

Thanks. I saw that and they say it's accurate for the Player's but

we know how these players will switch something up and they

don't exactly send a memo, lol.

 

In another thread someone said he was using the RSI 2 2 iron

and had a pic of it.

 

Maybe I'll go look at the TBaG website. They'll be bragging I

would guess on whatever it was! LOL.

[Conrad1953]

OK, went to TBaG. According to them he had the RSI 2 2 iron

in the bag.

 

He's a beast with that thing.

[Reasonability]

One more last adder to the convo.

 

I can sit here all day and all night suggesting things to MC.... and for those a little newer to the confessions crew who did not know this... I'll put something out there that he has rarely mentioned in detail. He won't do it so I'll do it for him...

 

Some time back - the man came close to severing one hand right off his arm. And here we see him videoing his swing and grinding it out. Yea - me - others - a teaching pro - we can all yak in his ear till the cows come home about swing stuff.... but I'll just come out and say it... He is fortunate to even be able to hold a club in two hands and swing it at all. So MC - I do admire and respect how well you have come back from that one. Props to you sir.

 

There are lots of stories here amongst us and the general golfing populous to be told. Things is... most of us are not into excuses but we sure are in love with the journey. I never cease to be amazed at just how far some golfers have come in the face of adversity. We are all might just be amongst the world's most stubborn people imaginable. But we sure have the ability to persevere and maintain some sense of perspective (Most of us do anyway = lol). Didn't mean to embarrass you MC but I've been meaning for a while to come back to my interjections into your swing and how at the end of the day - NO MAN beyond yourself will ever truly be able adapt, fix, tweak, what works for you like you will be able to know deep down on your own.

[Conrad1953]

Yesterday I was examining the new Titleist K grind 60* wedges. I looked at the bottom of the 08* and 12* bounce versions. When I set both shafts verticle and set the leading edges to the same height, the 08* bounce bottom was nearly level flat (<-there was a little curvature) and the 12* bounce bottom was about 1-2 mm lower than the leading edge about 1 cm back from it. (FYI this was measurement 1) per my 'quiz'.) I didn't see any big difference in the leading edge roundedness. That 1-2 mm lower bottom will just hit the ground first compared to the flatter bottom 08* bounce wedge.

 

Don't forget that this method of "using the bounce" from tight lies

involves intentionally hitting the ground before the ball. The notion

is that the club will indent the ground a little bit and slide under or

into the bottom of the ball.

 

The reasoning behind this is that it grants a little larger margin for

error compared to trying to fit the leading edge in there cleanly in

that tiny spot.

 

As far as what degree of bounce is best I guess that depends on

the exact lie and the way the player swings but I would guess low

to no more than medium bounce is best. The main thing is you

don't want the leading edge to dig....and on the opposite side of

the scale too much bounce may cause a bladed shot.

[SixtySomePing]

Dropped off without explanation...

[Conrad1953]

Dropped off without explanation...

 

LOL, glad to see you back!!

 

Now, don't do this again!!! Hahaha.

[DeNinny]

Yesterday I was examining the new Titleist K grind 60* wedges. I looked at the bottom of the 08* and 12* bounce versions. When I set both shafts verticle and set the leading edges to the same height, the 08* bounce bottom was nearly level flat (<-there was a little curvature) and the 12* bounce bottom was about 1-2 mm lower than the leading edge about 1 cm back from it. (FYI this was measurement 1) per my 'quiz'.) I didn't see any big difference in the leading edge roundedness. That 1-2 mm lower bottom will just hit the ground first compared to the flatter bottom 08* bounce wedge.

 

Don't forget that this method of "using the bounce" from tight lies

involves intentionally hitting the ground before the ball. The notion

is that the club will indent the ground a little bit and slide under or

into the bottom of the ball.

 

The reasoning behind this is that it grants a little larger margin for

error compared to trying to fit the leading edge in there cleanly in

that tiny spot.

 

As far as what degree of bounce is best I guess that depends on

the exact lie and the way the player swings but I would guess low

to no more than medium bounce is best. The main thing is you

don't want the leading edge to dig....and on the opposite side of

the scale too much bounce may cause a bladed shot.

 

Don't forget that NOT hitting the ground is ALWAYS better than hitting the ground. The low bounce wedge WON'T hit the ground by 1-2 mm when the high bounce wedge will. This is NEVER better for the high bounce wedge.

 

The leading edge is set equal in this case so the chance of digging is THE SAME with both.

 

You keep assuming the lower bounce edge will dig more. This is a FALSE ASSUMPTION since you are NOT setting the leading edge to the same height in your evaluation. When you set both leading edges the same, the low bounce wedge has MORE ROOM FOR ERROR. Always. And this is for both bladed and fat shots. Your method of hitting the ground with a tight lie with a high bounce wedge is UNNECESSARY with a low bounce wedge.

 

And then on player's swing and AoA, once again you are not setting ALL THINGS EQUAL in your evaluation. When using the same swing, the lower bounce wedge is ALWAYS better.

 

And lastly, the high bounce wedge will always dig slower. Soft ground will NOT deflect it. And the shaft. And the arms. And the hands. You keep missing this fact.

 

So once again, ALL THINGS EQUAL, the high bounce wedge offers ZERO technical benefit compared to the low bounce wedge. The low bounce wedge offers more room for error for clean ball contact. Always. And it moves through ALL substrates faster.