Chamblee goes Easy on Tiger

[tw68ca]

I am pretty sure Tiger is thinking about competing with the best players in the world. To do so that means hitting the ball with a degree of accuracy and distance. Like I said early days but I suspect he will amp up both as he gets the rust off.

 

 

[Santiago Golf]

Tigers problem with his swing is his mental game

 

I think off the course Tiger might be a mental wreck. But when he is in between the ropes, there is still no one better.

 

Tiger is not practicing as hard as he use to and he playing against ALOT deeper fields than his hay day (not saying the fields he played against were easy). Is driving got better as he tried to hit a punch cut down there; its going to give him much in the way of distance but its going to keep him in play. Short Game and Putting were where they should be. Putter got a little on the back 9 today, but he was playing for nothing at that point. Iron Play is slightly above average.

 

I can see him making the cut in Dubai, but I don't see him making cut at LA or Honda with his current game. He needs to step it up. Though with his current game, he could still probably top 10 at Augusta, though a win is out of the question right now until he figure out what he wants to do off the tee, to much back and forth between a controlled cut and power draw that hits 1 out 5 tries

[RBImGuy]

I am pretty sure Tiger is thinking about competing with the best players in the world. To do so that means hitting the ball with a degree of accuracy and distance. Like I said early days but I suspect he will amp up both as he gets the rust off.

 

He cant, his lower back is fragile, it will crash at some point if he tries to go for distance.

[starsail85]

Tigers problem with his swing is his mental game

 

I think off the course Tiger might be a mental wreck. But when he is in between the ropes, there is still no one better.

 

Tiger is not practicing as hard as he use to and he playing against ALOT deeper fields than his hay day (not saying the fields he played against were easy). Is driving got better as he tried to hit a punch cut down there; its going to give him much in the way of distance but its going to keep him in play. Short Game and Putting were where they should be. Putter got a little on the back 9 today, but he was playing for nothing at that point. Iron Play is slightly above average.

 

I can see him making the cut in Dubai, but I don't see him making cut at LA or Honda with his current game. He needs to step it up. Though with his current game, he could still probably top 10 at Augusta, though a win is out of the question right now until he figure out what he wants to do off the tee, to much back and forth between a controlled cut and power draw that hits 1 out 5 tries

 

This goes against everything I've observed the last two rounds

 

Iron play slightly above average? It was a million miles worse than hero , and not even close to his 2013 quality . Hit a nice long iron on the back 9 par 5 and a good t shot on 17 but remarkably POOR iron play overall the two days

 

• missing in the wrong spots

• looked like he had a lot of fear with the driver. Steering the driver nonaggression

•consistently proven he can't bounce back like he used to and stays on the bogey train until the end of the line turning under par into 5 over see Thursday

•played a fairly consistent draw at hero , looked confident and hit a high percentage of good drives. He hit what 5-6 ok drives this week and all wierd stance stabs with the exception of his last drive today which was exceptional and 30 yards longer than he had been hitting it the previous 35 holes.. this is not a confident man, this is a scared driver of the ball

[tw68ca]

I never said anything about "going for distance". I said "competing with the best players in the world". As tiger gets more competitive rounds under his belt, hits some better shots and shoots some lower scores, some distance will return as a simple byproduct. Confidence breeds confidence. I don't share your opinion based on 2 rounds in chilly weather on a long, tough, wet course. On the contrary, for a guy clearly rusty and steering it, I thought there were some very decent signs esp this afternoon.

 

He hit some pure tee shots , no trouble throwing long irons up in the air. I'll say it again. It's early.

[Medic]

I honestly believe Tiger would benefit from going back to Butch. I know he never will but cannot help but believe that if he did he/his swing would benefit.

[Santiago Golf]

Tigers problem with his swing is his mental game

 

I think off the course Tiger might be a mental wreck. But when he is in between the ropes, there is still no one better.

 

Tiger is not practicing as hard as he use to and he playing against ALOT deeper fields than his hay day (not saying the fields he played against were easy). Is driving got better as he tried to hit a punch cut down there; its going to give him much in the way of distance but its going to keep him in play. Short Game and Putting were where they should be. Putter got a little on the back 9 today, but he was playing for nothing at that point. Iron Play is slightly above average.

 

I can see him making the cut in Dubai, but I don't see him making cut at LA or Honda with his current game. He needs to step it up. Though with his current game, he could still probably top 10 at Augusta, though a win is out of the question right now until he figure out what he wants to do off the tee, to much back and forth between a controlled cut and power draw that hits 1 out 5 tries

 

This goes against everything I've observed the last two rounds

 

Iron play slightly above average? It was a million miles worse than hero , and not even close to his 2013 quality . Hit a nice long iron on the back 9 par 5 and a good t shot on 17 but remarkably POOR iron play overall the two days

 

• missing in the wrong spots

• looked like he had a lot of fear with the driver. Steering the driver nonaggression

•consistently proven he can't bounce back like he used to and stays on the bogey train until the end of the line turning under par into 5 over see Thursday

•played a fairly consistent draw at hero , looked confident and hit a high percentage of good drives. He hit what 5-6 ok drives this week and all wierd stance stabs with the exception of his last drive today which was exceptional and 30 yards longer than he had been hitting it the previous 35 holes.. this is not a confident man, this is a scared driver of the ball

 

Hero had pretty wide fairways. He could get a way with his power draw there. Its tough to say what his iron ability is right now when half his shots were played form long thick rough.

[Hawkeye77]

You aren't fooling me, Brandel you pussycat.

[airjammer]

Tigers problem with his swing is his mental game

 

I think off the course Tiger might be a mental wreck. But when he is in between the ropes, there is still no one better.

 

Tiger is not practicing as hard as he use to and he playing against ALOT deeper fields than his hay day (not saying the fields he played against were easy). Is driving got better as he tried to hit a punch cut down there; its going to give him much in the way of distance but its going to keep him in play. Short Game and Putting were where they should be. Putter got a little on the back 9 today, but he was playing for nothing at that point. Iron Play is slightly above average.

 

I can see him making the cut in Dubai, but I don't see him making cut at LA or Honda with his current game. He needs to step it up. Though with his current game, he could still probably top 10 at Augusta, though a win is out of the question right now until he figure out what he wants to do off the tee, to much back and forth between a controlled cut and power draw that hits 1 out 5 tries

 

This goes against everything I've observed the last two rounds

 

Iron play slightly above average? It was a million miles worse than hero , and not even close to his 2013 quality . Hit a nice long iron on the back 9 par 5 and a good t shot on 17 but remarkably POOR iron play overall the two days

 

• missing in the wrong spots

• looked like he had a lot of fear with the driver. Steering the driver nonaggression

•consistently proven he can't bounce back like he used to and stays on the bogey train until the end of the line turning under par into 5 over see Thursday

•played a fairly consistent draw at hero , looked confident and hit a high percentage of good drives. He hit what 5-6 ok drives this week and all wierd stance stabs with the exception of his last drive today which was exceptional and 30 yards longer than he had been hitting it the previous 35 holes.. this is not a confident man, this is a scared driver of the ball

 

Hero had pretty wide fairways. He could get a way with his power draw there. Its tough to say what his iron ability is right now when half his shots were played form long thick rough.

The fairways were wet this week so it made them play pretty wide. After working on his swing with at least some input from Como I expected a lot better. It played worse as bad as it looked. To my eye it didn't a lot like his hero swing..I'm willing to bet that the pressure made subconsciously revert bad to a old pattern. He must have had some comfort with this pattern..back comfort or known miss comfort I'm not sure.

[Guia]

Chamblee is a Tiger fan. Also, one or two rounds after a 17 month layoff are not enough to give a good critique. If he is going to be very critical it will happen around the time of the Masters.

 

It takes awhile to get into competition mode. Lets wait and see.

[Hawkeye77]

Chamblee is a Tiger fan. Also, one or two rounds after a 17 month layoff are not enough to give a good critique. If he is going to be very critical it will happen around the time of the Masters.

 

It takes awhile to get into competition mode. Lets wait and see.

 

LOL, Brandel is not a Tiger fan.

[Guia]

Brandel has said a number of times that Tiger is the best golfer of all time. This does not keep him from making critical analysis.

[mosesgolf]

IMO Brandel has Tiger envy and has at numerous times called Tiger GOAT. Brandel gets paid to be a WEENIE so he's got that going for him. :D

[Hawkeye77]

Brandel has said a number of times that Tiger is the best golfer of all time. This does not keep him from making critical analysis.

 

You have a very selective memory.

 

Here is Brandel quoted extensively from a serious piece he wrote in 2012 - not even close, Jack is the greatest.

 

http://www.linkslifegolf.com/2012/09/17/brandlee-chamblee-jack-is-the-best-ever/

 

Since then Brandel has called him a cheater, ripped his swing and approach to the game, insulted Tiger's approach to dealing with his own injuries, and on and on. Before then there were outbursts of over the top criticism - Brandel made his bones at Tiger's expense starting with Tiger's accident and fall from grace.

 

Hmmmm ..... tell me what Tiger has accomplished in just the last couple years that would realistically have changed Brandel's opinion - win anything since 2013 let alone a major? Appeared any less fragile?

 

Some serious backlash against Brandel from his own colleagues and the public, and his being savvy about how to be a little more popular and by magic Tiger is the best ever.

 

He just started saying it about a year or so ago for publicity and air time, and nothing he says reconciles with his previously and long and passionately held position. No credibility.

 

How easily media types can fool people.

[Sun Devil]

I honestly believe Tiger would benefit from going back to Butch. I know he never will but cannot help but believe that if he did he/his swing would benefit.

 

I agree, but I'm not sure Butch wants Tiger back.

[Ghost of Snead]

I am pretty sure Tiger is thinking about competing with the best players in the world. To do so that means hitting the ball with a degree of accuracy and distance. Like I said early days but I suspect he will amp up both as he gets the rust off.

 

He cant, his lower back is fragile, it will crash at some point if he tries to go for distance.

 

Doesn't need to .. he averaged 307 today on wet fairways.

[Hawkeye77]

I am pretty sure Tiger is thinking about competing with the best players in the world. To do so that means hitting the ball with a degree of accuracy and distance. Like I said early days but I suspect he will amp up both as he gets the rust off.

 

He cant, his lower back is fragile, it will crash at some point if he tries to go for distance.

 

Doesn't need to .. he averaged 307 today on wet fairways.

 

RBIm means going for that 400 yards Tiger was calling him about when he made that appointment for a lesson.

[tigers9iron]

This is going to be a long year of missed cuts or barely made cuts. Even in his prime when he went through a rebuild it took 2 years to click. By the end of the summer he will probably scrap whatever this swing is and go in another direction. He'll need to stay healthy for a 2 year rebuild and he's looking at 44 or 45 before it clicks, if it ever does. This is the only framework he knows. Get to #1 and tear apart your game, fail for a few years then dominate again with a new swing. Repeat. Insanity cannot even describe this. He outsmarted himself, it backfired terribly and he missed out on what would've easily been a 20 major career.

[Shilgy]

Brandel has said a number of times that Tiger is the best golfer of all time. This does not keep him from making critical analysis.

 

You have a very selective memory.

 

Here is Brandel quoted extensively from a serious piece he wrote in 2012 - not even close, Jack is the greatest.

 

http://www.linkslifegolf.com/2012/09/17/brandlee-chamblee-jack-is-the-best-ever/

 

Since then Brandel has called him a cheater, ripped his swing and approach to the game, insulted Tiger's approach to dealing with his own injuries, and on and on. Before then there were outbursts of over the top criticism - Brandel made his bones at Tiger's expense starting with Tiger's accident and fall from grace.

 

Hmmmm ..... tell me what Tiger has accomplished in just the last couple years that would realistically have changed Brandel's opinion - win anything since 2013 let alone a major? Appeared any less fragile?

 

Some serious backlash against Brandel from his own colleagues and the public, and his being savvy about how to be a little more popular and by magic Tiger is the best ever.

 

He just started saying it about a year or so ago for publicity and air time, and nothing he says reconciles with his previously and long and passionately held position. No credibility.

 

How easily media types can fool people.

Oh geez, now I'm really confused Hawk. We all know Brandel says stuff just to get noticed and ratings. Does that mean he was lying 4 years ago when he said Jack or the other day when he said Tiger was goat? :(

[Guia]

I guess it depends on his mood.

[Guia]

Hawkeye77: That was a reaction to finding that his hero had feet of clay. Its like finding that Superman can't really fly. The result is distain.

[Hawkeye77]

Obviously Brandel is the greatest journalist of all time. ;-)

[acy274]

Brandel : Tiger :: Skip Bayless : LeBron

 

Both Brandel/Skip claim to be fans of Tiger/LeBron, but will frequently rip them in order to stir the pot and get ratings. They're paid trolls who I doubt really feel that strongly in real life about Tiger/LeBron. However, at least Skip is funny every once in a while... Brandel usually comes off as either a giant dbag, or a slighty less giant dbag.

[bogey train]

Looks to me he is back on the roids

where is WADA ?

[playa]

There has been intel floating around that Tiger had all of the speed back in his swing. Brandel pointed out something very significant ...

 

He showed video of Tiger during the '13 Farmers. His swing speed with Driver was 120 mph.

 

Yesterdays swing speed with Driver was 114 mph.

 

1 mph equals how many yards? 3?

 

I'll let the true trackman aficionados correct this if I am wrong, but I believe 1MPH of ballspeed equates to around 3 yards of carry. Assuming a constant smash factor of 1.5 (OK, that may be a little high), his drop in clubhead speed would equate to a lost of almost 10 MPH in ball speed .....or about 30 yards of carry......which was about what I think I saw to my admittedly untrained eye yesterday,

 

But its is early times......

 

There has been intel floating around that Tiger had all of the speed back in his swing. Brandel pointed out something very significant ...

 

He showed video of Tiger during the '13 Farmers. His swing speed with Driver was 120 mph.

 

Yesterdays swing speed with Driver was 114 mph.

 

1 mph equals how many yards? 3?

 

I'll let the true trackman aficionados correct this if I am wrong, but I believe 1MPH of ballspeed equates to around 3 yards of carry. Assuming a constant smash factor of 1.5 (OK, that may be a little high), his drop in clubhead speed would equate to a lost of almost 10 MPH in ball speed .....or about 30 yards of carry......which was about what I think I saw to my admittedly untrained eye yesterday,

 

But its is early times......

 

Said it endlessly, the last thing he needs to think about is speed. Needs to swing 105-110, hit the damn fairway, concentrate on courses that will suit the furyk style of play. If he could re model his game he'd still have a chance at the British, maybe a US open..

 

Swinging fast will guarantee he plays rubbish, scores rubbish, and gets injured

Graciously accepting distance loss as we age is tough for weekend warriors off double digit caps (like me), for a proud champion like Tiger it would be impossible.

[starsail85]

 

 

Not sure what is going on with tiger at the minute . If he is swinging at 114mph then it is a scared, steering swing

 

He was hitting it short the two days at torey , but on his 36th hole he flew his t shot 320 yards and was within a yard of DJ , but was 20-40 back on the other holes.

 

Seems to me that he is really holding back and not committing to his driver , like he was at hero

 

His 2015 last outings he was hammering the driver hard swings and bombing it 350 yards . A lot has changed since then .

[Holy Moses]

Bailey already calming Brandel down? The power of a woman is seen again.

[resnor]

I'm no expert, and I didn't watch every hole from both days...but the holes I watched from both days, it looked to me that on Thursday Tiger was swinging wicked hard, but Friday looked like a much smoother and controlled swing.

 

Frankly, with Day shooting +3, and DJ shooting +2, why is it a story that Tiger shot +4?

[Guia]

Hawkeye77: That makes 2 people that think he is the greatest Journalist (used very loosely), You and Him.

[Hawkeye77]

Hawkeye77: That makes 2 people that think he is the greatest Journalist (used very loosely), You and Him.

 

That's funny!