2019 RBC Heritage

[@_the_crook]

I'm really enjoying the course views. we're heading there in September.

[Darth Putter]

Solid iron by CT to get home at #18.

[lowheel]

> @"@_the_crook" said:

> I'm really enjoying the course views. we're heading there in September.

 

youll love it!! youll be snapping pics all day!

[lowheel]

my god DJ really had a meltdown...

[redfirebird08]

> @lowheel said:

> my god DJ really had a meltdown...

 

Pretty shocking from such a talented player. But I would say one of his biggest strengths is very short memory. He will shrug this off and bounce right back at his next event.

[imakaveli]

unlucky, great putt.

[lowheel]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> And now the iron game has abandoned DJ. What an ugly performance from #1 in the world.

 

He looked burned out... if he wasnt sponsored by RBC i doubt hes teeing it up this week

[Lamb]

DJ is an embarrassment to be called world number 1. Mentally weakest era - pampered and over indulged so called pro's.

[redfirebird08]

> @lowheel said:

> > @redfirebird08 said:

> > And now the iron game has abandoned DJ. What an ugly performance from #1 in the world.

>

> He looked burned out... if he wasnt sponsored by RBC i doubt hes teeing it up this week

 

I agree, although Cantlay would have just as much excuse for burnout. Both were in contention last week. Cantlay finishing strong today.

[imakaveli]

ALways fun to see Kuch giving credit to the caddie.

[Darth Putter]

DJ is so mentally weak he's won 20 times.

Maybe he just needs the USGA to give him a clown ruling in the middle of final rounds?

[redfirebird08]

Well I jinxed Cantlay. Bogey at the last hole. Not the strong finish he was hoping for.

[Darth Putter]

I think we may have an "interview the champ and go to the CBS News before the last players finish" ending.

[redfirebird08]

Awesome win for Pan. Life-changer for him. Great job CT!

[lowheel]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> > @lowheel said:

> > > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > And now the iron game has abandoned DJ. What an ugly performance from #1 in the world.

> >

> > He looked burned out... if he wasnt sponsored by RBC i doubt hes teeing it up this week

>

> I agree, although Cantlay would have just as much excuse for burnout. Both were in contention last week. Cantlay finishing strong today.

 

Oh absolutely, i meant burned out not from last week but i think unless im wrong hes played 5 out of the last 6 weeks. Thats alot of golf especially when 2 of those were the players and masters and he was in contention in 4 out of 5. I wont look into this too much.He made the turn at even and started to force the issue and got burned.

[redfirebird08]

> @lowheel said:

> > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > @lowheel said:

> > > > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > > And now the iron game has abandoned DJ. What an ugly performance from #1 in the world.

> > >

> > > He looked burned out... if he wasnt sponsored by RBC i doubt hes teeing it up this week

> >

> > I agree, although Cantlay would have just as much excuse for burnout. Both were in contention last week. Cantlay finishing strong today.

>

> Oh absolutely, i meant burned out not from last week but i think unless im wrong hes played 5 out of the last 6 weeks. Thats alot of golf especially when 2 of those were the players and masters and he was in contention in 4 out of 5. I wont look into this too much.He made the turn at even and started to force the issue and got burned.

 

Yeah, DJ has proven more than anyone that he shrugs off bad stuff easier than other players. He will bounce back at his next event.

[youdamantiger]

> @00steven said:

> Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

 

I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

 

Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

 

Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

[bladehunter]

What a snooze fest of a tournament. And I can say that. It’s The only one in my home state.

 

I’d say DJ put pressure on himself to win it since he was at home. Anyway. Terrible viewing in my opinion. But hey. I’ll live off of Augusta for at least another month.

[redfirebird08]

> @youdamantiger said:

> > @00steven said:

> > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

>

> I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

>

> Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

>

> Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

 

I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

 

He also goes into the underachiever category. Changed his golf swing numerous times when he could have left it alone and it cost him prime opportunities for wins, especially major championships. Injured himself repeatedly, in part due to an over the top workout regimen. At one point of his career he was on pace for probably 120 wins and 25 majors. He will be lucky to make it to 90/18 at the rate it has gone for him the last decade.

[youdamantiger]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> > @youdamantiger said:

> > > @00steven said:

> > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> >

> > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> >

> > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> >

> > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

>

> I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

 

For sure. But his extracurricular activities during his heyday and Haney's book paint a picture of a man who, from 2006 onward, didn't work nearly as hard at his game as people think he did.

[redfirebird08]

> @youdamantiger said:

> > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > @00steven said:

> > > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> > >

> > > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> > >

> > > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> > >

> > > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

> >

> > I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

>

> For sure. But his extracurricular activities during his heyday and Haney's book paint a picture of a man who, from 2006 onward, didn't work nearly as hard at his game as people think he did.

 

The extracurricular stuff was at night though. Heck, one of his mistresses said he left her in the middle of the night to drive to some corporate golf obligation way off somewhere else. I think the dude barely slept (probably still barely sleeps). Worked hard on his golf game during the day, played hard at night with the girls.

[SwooshLT]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> > @youdamantiger said:

> > > @00steven said:

> > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> >

> > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> >

> > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> >

> > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

>

> I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

>

> He also goes into the underachiever category. Changed his golf swing numerous times when he could have left it alone and it cost him prime opportunities for wins, especially major championships. Injured himself repeatedly, in part due to an over the top workout regimen. At one point of his career he was on pace for probably 120 wins and 25 majors. He will be lucky to make it to 90/18 at the rate it has gone for him the last decade.

 

Not 100% sure but I think the swing changes had somewhat to do with injuries and prevention do the road....also some control in the short irons....remember his 1st knee injury was due to a photographer tripping him!

[redfirebird08]

> @" SwooshLT" said:

>

> Not 100% sure but I think the swing changes had somewhat to do with injuries and prevention do the road....also some control in the short irons....remember his 1st knee injury was due to a photographer tripping him!

 

He claimed that's what it was about and yet he kept getting injured even with the Haney swing (and later the Foley swing...horrible back injuries from that one). I think his current swing might be the only one where he has seriously tried to come up with something that will protect him from injuries, but we will see how that plays out. He's one injury away from retirement.

[Pent08]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> > @youdamantiger said:

> > > @00steven said:

> > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> >

> > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> >

> > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> >

> > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

>

> I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

>

> He also goes into the underachiever category. Changed his golf swing numerous times when he could have left it alone and it cost him prime opportunities for wins, especially major championships. Injured himself repeatedly, in part due to an over the top workout regimen. At one point of his career he was on pace for probably 120 wins and 25 majors. He will be lucky to make it to 90/18 at the rate it has gone for him the last decade.

 

You can't separate the man from his methods. The kind of player who changes their swing after winning their first four majors by a combined 36 shots is a player who will win a lot and stop at nothing to succeed.

[Pent08]

What's the conversion rate for 54 hole leaders?

Soon they'll be announced on the 1st tee as the sacrificial 3rd round leader.

 

-The Masters thread had +200 pages while this thread barely squeaked out 3-4. Brutal

[youdamantiger]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> > @youdamantiger said:

> > > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > > @00steven said:

> > > > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> > > >

> > > > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> > > >

> > > > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

> > >

> > > I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

> >

> > For sure. But his extracurricular activities during his heyday and Haney's book paint a picture of a man who, from 2006 onward, didn't work nearly as hard at his game as people think he did.

>

> The extracurricular stuff was at night though. Heck, one of his mistresses said he left her in the middle of the night to drive to some corporate golf obligation way off somewhere else. I think the dude barely slept (probably still barely sleeps). Worked hard on his golf game during the day, played hard at night with the girls.

 

I don't think his practice time was as insulated from his debauchery as you like to think.

 

"Haney described a period when Woods was distracted from his golf game. He wrote about one particular issue that would be a hint of times to come: Tiger also started allowing another distraction to interfere with his practice. His cell phone was going off a lot more, and whereas before, he either turned it off or simply ignored it, now he was taking time to answer it or check out the texts."

 

There's just no way the guy was able to maintain an elite level of practice after 2006 with so many irons in the fire, new marriage, new baby, mistresses, Navy SEAL training, corporate commitments, his foundation, etc. With so many demands on his time, his desire faded and that was reflected in his diminished practice time. That is, if Haney and common sense are to be believed.

 

It's not a knock on the guy to say he didn't practice as much. Even with little practice he was still head and shoulders above the other pros at the time. But, take 2005 for instance, Tiger won the Masters and, with the Open being held at St Andrews, the Grand Slam was not out of the question. But Haney wrote that, instead of putting in the requisite practice for the US Open, Tiger blew off practice to go train with the SEALS, eventually finishing second to Michael Campbell at Pinehurst.

[BearQ]

This thread still about the tournament?

 

Good job CT...got one for the little guys! He was due for a win sooner or later. Solid player

[davechen]

Congrats to CT, Taiwan's finest!

[lowheel]

> @Pent08 said:

> What's the conversion rate for 54 hole leaders?

> Soon they'll be announced on the 1st tee as the sacrificial 3rd round leader.

>

> -The Masters thread had +200 pages while this thread barely squeaked out 3-4. Brutal

 

Well to be fair 150 pages of the masters thread was Gator md posts ... ;)

[SwooshLT]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> > @" SwooshLT" said:

> >

> > Not 100% sure but I think the swing changes had somewhat to do with injuries and prevention do the road....also some control in the short irons....remember his 1st knee injury was due to a photographer tripping him!

>

> He claimed that's what it was about and yet he kept getting injured even with the Haney swing (and later the Foley swing...horrible back injuries from that one). I think his current swing might be the only one where he has seriously tried to come up with something that will protect him from injuries, but we will see how that plays out. He's one injury away from retirement.

 

I think that's what makes this Masters win so surreal.....just knowing that he should be past Jack without the changes or injuries; shouldn't be playing because the injuries and how close is to being done with another injury!