2019 RBC Heritage

[lowheel]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> Awesome win for Pan. Life-changer for him. Great job CT!

 

We saw he had what it takes to win at the wyndham last year.Great for him and his family!

[redfirebird08]

> @youdamantiger said:

> > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > > > @00steven said:

> > > > > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

> > > >

> > > > I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

> > >

> > > For sure. But his extracurricular activities during his heyday and Haney's book paint a picture of a man who, from 2006 onward, didn't work nearly as hard at his game as people think he did.

> >

> > The extracurricular stuff was at night though. Heck, one of his mistresses said he left her in the middle of the night to drive to some corporate golf obligation way off somewhere else. I think the dude barely slept (probably still barely sleeps). Worked hard on his golf game during the day, played hard at night with the girls.

>

> I don't think his practice time was as insulated from his debauchery as you like to think.

>

> "Haney described a period when Woods was distracted from his golf game. He wrote about one particular issue that would be a hint of times to come: Tiger also started allowing another distraction to interfere with his practice. His cell phone was going off a lot more, and whereas before, he either turned it off or simply ignored it, now he was taking time to answer it or check out the texts."

>

> There's just no way the guy was able to maintain an elite level of practice after 2006 with so many irons in the fire, new marriage, new baby, mistresses, Navy SEAL training, corporate commitments, his foundation, etc. With so many demands on his time, his desire faded and that was reflected in his diminished practice time. That is, if Haney and common sense are to be believed.

>

> It's not a knock on the guy to say he didn't practice as much. Even with little practice he was still head and shoulders above the other pros at the time. But, take 2005 for instance, Tiger won the Masters and, with the Open being held at St Andrews, the Grand Slam was not out of the question. But Haney wrote that, instead of putting in the requisite practice for the US Open, Tiger blew off practice to go train with the SEALS, eventually finishing second to Michael Campbell at Pinehurst.

 

His win rate from 2005 to 2009 was pretty incredible, especially 2006 to 2009.

[bladehunter]

> @youdamantiger said:

> > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > @00steven said:

> > > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> > >

> > > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> > >

> > > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> > >

> > > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

> >

> > I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

>

> For sure. But his extracurricular activities during his heyday and Haney's book paint a picture of a man who, from 2006 onward, didn't work nearly as hard at his game as people think he did.

 

Accepting Haneys words as facts are equal to accepting the fox’s word in the hen house.

[bspn]

> > @lowheel said:

> Well to be fair 150 pages of the masters thread was Gator md posts ... ;)

With the other 50 being CR arguing with everyone else using his "fact" based logic

 

 

[youdamantiger]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @youdamantiger said:

> > > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > > @00steven said:

> > > > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> > > >

> > > > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> > > >

> > > > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

> > >

> > > I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

> >

> > For sure. But his extracurricular activities during his heyday and Haney's book paint a picture of a man who, from 2006 onward, didn't work nearly as hard at his game as people think he did.

>

> Accepting Haneys words as facts are equal to accepting the fox’s word in the hen house.

 

Yeah I've heard this a lot from Tiger apologists. But not one thing Haney wrote in that book has ever been seriously denied by Tiger or anyone else. There are plenty of folks in golf media who took Haney to task for supposedly breaking the unwritten rule of not divulging the private interactions between player and coach, as if he was some sort of priest at confession, but none of them have taken him to task for fabricating.

 

With all we know now, the injuries, the personal peccadilloes, the SEALS themselves who have come out to verify parts of the book, do you _honestly_ believe it was made up? Come on.

[Darth Putter]

> @bspn said:

> > > @lowheel said:

> > Well to be fair 150 pages of the masters thread was Gator md posts ... ;)

> With the other 50 being CR arguing with everyone else using his "fact" based logic

>

>

 

Geometric logic and he did prove that a duplicate key to the Champions Locker Room did exist.

[iBanesto]

> @davechen said:

> Congrats to CT, Taiwan's finest!

 

Don't forget T.C. Chan. 1st Taiwanese golfer to win on the PGA Tour.

 


 

[rafal]

What's notable is the irreverent tone of the press article above. These days no sports writer would survive writing about current "Stars" "Young Talents" and "Athletes" in this way.

[bladehunter]

> @youdamantiger said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > @redfirebird08 said:

> > > > > @youdamantiger said:

> > > > > > @00steven said:

> > > > > > Sorry to say, DJ is not a closer nor clutch. Somewhat wasting his talent.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think there are players who take their God-given (or Nature-given, if that's your thing) talent and maximize it, wring every single drop out of their natural abilities. I'm thinking of guys like Lee Trevino, Hogan, Gary Player, Jim Furyk, Zach Johnson, Jordan, Faldo, Vijay, probably a million I'm forgetting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are players who take their talent and work hard but probably not quite as hard as those in the first group. I think most fall into this category. Tiger, Arnie, Watson, Seve, Justin Rose, Ernie, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are the underachievers, guys who had/have otherworldly talent but have either completely squandered it or have not maximized it to anywhere near their potential. Norman, Rory, DJ, Jason Day, John Daly, Weiskopf, Fred Couples, Davis Love, Snead, and...yes....Jack Nicklaus. A lot of those guys in the underachiever category have impressive records (like Rory, DJ, Snead, and Jack) but given the immeasurable talent they were gifted with, I don't think they reached their ceiling. Jack is very forthright about this. He has admitted numerous times that he coasted at different points in his career and if he had put in the hours he could have won more.

> > > >

> > > > I would say Tiger was an extremely hard worker. He was just a lot more talented than guys like Trevino or Furyk and the results showed this for them.

> > >

> > > For sure. But his extracurricular activities during his heyday and Haney's book paint a picture of a man who, from 2006 onward, didn't work nearly as hard at his game as people think he did.

> >

> > Accepting Haneys words as facts are equal to accepting the fox’s word in the hen house.

>

> Yeah I've heard this a lot from Tiger apologists. But not one thing Haney wrote in that book has ever been seriously denied by Tiger or anyone else. There are plenty of folks in golf media who took Haney to task for supposedly breaking the unwritten rule of not divulging the private interactions between player and coach, as if he was some sort of priest at confession, but none of them have taken him to task for fabricating.

>

> With all we know now, the injuries, the personal peccadilloes, the SEALS themselves who have come out to verify parts of the book, do you _honestly_ believe it was made up? Come on.

 

I honestly believe he broke trust that he was paid for. Therefore cannot trust anything he says. True or not.

[3jacker]

> @rafal said:

> What's notable is the irreverent tone of the press article above. These days no sports writer would survive writing about current "Stars" "Young Talents" and "Athletes" in this way.

 

It's Rick Reilly.

That's as reverent as he gets.

[tsecor]

 

Dustin Johnson

[sjones130]

I went to the event on Friday. I'm from Ireland so I wanted to follow Power and Lowry to watch their rounds. I saw Seamus Power making a run, tied for the lead, then hooking his tee shot on the par 3 14th and that was it. He dropped 4 shots to finish +1 on the day and -2 overall. Such a shame. He made a great run over the weekend to finish 3 shots behind C.T Pan.

 

I saw Poulter, Bryson, DJ and a few others. It's insane to see DJ hit driver on a par 5 in person. The wind was bad and his ball seemed to do this weird loop in the air, as if it hadn't formed back properly after he hit it. Insane power. He's also way thinner than I expected.

 

I watched Lowry tee off on 1. Nice low shot under the wind. He birdied the next 2 holes for the lead before we were told to leave the course due to the storm that rolled in and the fear of tornadoes.

 

There wasn't that many there on Friday and it was easy to get near all of the players. I love the course setup, it's narrow and the greens are tiny. Hilton Head Island is also a lovely spot with some great restaurants. I went golfing on Saturday and there was hardly anyone on the courses in the area, which was awesome. I will definitely go to the event again next year, and perhaps make it a week long vacation.

 

I'm considering going to the Wells Fargo as it's just a 2 hour drive from where I am now. This was my first PGA Tour Event so I have the bug now. :smiley:

[3jacker]

I've always wanted to see that area - SC Lowcountry. For the golf as well as other things. The course looks difficult for sure, very cramped. Do you live there/play any courses there? Or on an extended visit?

[DavePelz4]

Kuch has won $5,400,000.00 so far this year. He's going to easily surpass his career high earnings of $5.6M. Helluva year.

[Krt22]

> @DavePelz4 said:

> Kuch has won $5,400,000.00 so far this year. He's going to easily surpass his career high earnings of $5.6M. Helluva year.

 

He saved a bunch stiffing el toucan as well

I too was surprised how bad DJ choked. I wonder if that new ventus is going into the trash

[BearQ]

Now we’re discussing Haney in depth here lol. Tiger apologists, neat way of phrasing it.

 

If my coach ratted me out or some of y’all. It’d be a lot worse than navy seal workouts and not offering ice cream.

 

Broke the bro code dude. The most sacred of all rules. Would we trust someone if they did the same to us? I’m with @bladehunter. although some of what Haney is accurate, a lot of is heavily exaggerated or simply unwarranted/not important. It’s a book designed to make you look at his former client as a complete weirdo. Now when you consider most of us know Haney cause of TW and the financial benefit of being attached to him even briefly. That particular book was Not a noble cause and mostly a stab in the back.

 

Joe LaCava the friend we need not Haney.

[TorreyPines]

> @redfirebird08 said:

> His win rate from 2005 to 2009 was pretty incredible, especially 2006 to 2009.

Thank God someone gets it. It's funny that TW's work ethic supposedly dropped off from 2006 onward, yet July 2006 - November 2009 was the peak of his career by a considerable margin in terms of win percentage and consistency, being in contention on Sunday almost every time he teed it up. I believe he won something like 27 out of 51 official tournaments played during this time-frame (29 out of 53 if you include The Hero) and had an exceptional amount of top 10s to boot.

 

I hate the BS narrative that Tiger lost his way after his Dad died. It's overly cutesy and completely discounts the fact that (a) if talking about his affairs, these started way before his Dad died, and (b) if talking about his golf game, his best every 3.5 year stretch of golf started shortly after this (from his Open win at Hoylake through the fire hydrant incident).

 

 

[rafal]

> @DavePelz4 said:

> Kuch has won $5,400,000.00 so far this year. He's going to easily surpass his career high earnings of $5.6M. Helluva year.

 

It's not the same now that he's out $50k to some Mexican caddy. His kids might end up going to a state college after all. All in all very unfortunate.

[jmvargas]

been watching some replays of the 1st 2 days and I think they showed CTPan only 2 times so far...

[redfirebird08]

> @DavePelz4 said:

> Kuch has won $5,400,000.00 so far this year. He's going to easily surpass his career high earnings of $5.6M. Helluva year.

 

Very impressive season so far for Kuchar, no doubt. Would not surprise me if he wins a major or the FedEx Cup.

[Golfjack]

Go CT! Didn't really expect this since he hasn't been playing that well overall. Also thought he was the first Chinese or Taiwanese to win a PGA Tour win. Didn't know about TC Chen. Pretty cool story.

[3jacker]

> @rafal said:

> > @DavePelz4 said:

> > Kuch has won $5,400,000.00 so far this year. He's going to easily surpass his career high earnings of $5.6M. Helluva year.

>

> It's not the same now that he's out $50k to some Mexican caddy. His kids might end up going to a state college after all. All in all very unfortunate.

 

Having to fork out the extra cash really lit the fire under him didn't it?

[rafal]

> @3jacker said:

> > @rafal said:

> > > @DavePelz4 said:

> > > Kuch has won $5,400,000.00 so far this year. He's going to easily surpass his career high earnings of $5.6M. Helluva year.

> >

> > It's not the same now that he's out $50k to some Mexican caddy. His kids might end up going to a state college after all. All in all very unfortunate.

>

> Having to fork out the extra cash really lit the fire under him didn't it?

 

He'll get as many top 10's in alternate/off-season events as possible while occasionally choking 54-hole leads to secure as many 2nd and 3rd place finishes as it takes to make the nightmare go away.

[Hankshank]

> @TorreyPines said:

 

>

> I hate the BS narrative that Tiger lost his way after his Dad died. It's overly cutesy and completely discounts the fact that (a) if talking about his affairs, these started way before his Dad died, and (b) if talking about his golf game, his best every 3.5 year stretch of golf started shortly after this (from his Open win at Hoylake through the fire hydrant incident).

>

>

He lost his ways when he discovered that all blondes are not dumb. Daughters of top politicians and journalists is not where you want to look if you want one.