Champions tour vs PGA tour....

[Shilgy]

> @grm24 said:

> > @golfandfishing said:

> > Not in terms of the Hall of Fame, the subject of the question. 8 wins and a handful of top tens at majors won’t get you on the ballot. But his senior career coupled with his minority status and third world upbringing put him squarely in the HOF. Aside from media and administration he must be, by far, the least qualified based on an under 50 playing record.

> >

> > > @grm24 said:

> > > > @golfandfishing said:

> > > > Chi Chi Rodriguez had a relatively nothing of a Pga tour career and a splendid Sr Pga Tour career and is in the hall of fame.

> > > >

> > > Chi-Chi won 8 times on the PGA Tour. That's a pretty good step above a relatively nothing career.

> > >

> >

> >

> There are some players in the WGHOF with less wins on the PGA Tour than Chi Chi. My point is calling his career relatively nothing, HOF related discussion or not, is not accurate.

 

And no majors? Heck he only had one top ten in a major. There are no inductees to the WGHOF with a worse record that were inducted as players. Chi Chi was inducted more for his humanitarian record per his hof bio.

[Titleist99]

> @Forged4ever said:

> > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > @JaNelson38 said:

> > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > @ksgolfcoach said:

> > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > @dlygrisse said:

> > > > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > > I think Vijay Singh could have dominated the Champions Tour had he embraced it at the age of fifty, but he could not let it go.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yeah, so? Why would he hang out with a bunch of "has beens" when he can still compete on the biggest stage in the world? He made tons of money, that's not the issue, he like competing. The Senior tour was big in the 1980's because it gave guys like Trevino, Chi Chi, Colbert, then Irwin, a chance to earn some real money as the tour didn't really make anyone rich back in the day. Only guys like Palmer, Nicklaus and Watson really made a lot, and that was mostly from outside business interests. Those guys needed the money to retire comfortably. If I were Phil I would NOT play...maybe the US Senior Open, or British, but thats it. Tiger, no freaking way....why destroy your back chasing senior tour wins when you are a billionaire? As for guys like Stricker....I guess it's whether or not they like hanging out and traveling with old friends, does the competitive fire still burn? Trevino called the Senior tour his annuity, he was dead broke, and became the best senior ever till Irwin came along. Jack just did it for fun, and usually won when he played.

> > > > > > > While I agree with most of what you are saying.....I have to say that the object of being competitive is winning, picking up the trophy. I would rather rule in **** than serve in heaven (so to speak). The lower tier guys may play ffor money but the others play for the thrill of victory. The best years on the Champion tour is from 50-55....don't waste them trying to make the cut on the junior tour. Phil do not have many 50 year old friend out there....LOL!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > So by this logic DJ should go play on mini tours because it’s easier to win? Some guys want to compete against the best no matter their age

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> > > > >

> > > > > > @ksgolfcoach said:

> > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > @dlygrisse said:

> > > > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > > I think Vijay Singh could have dominated the Champions Tour had he embraced it at the age of fifty, but he could not let it go.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yeah, so? Why would he hang out with a bunch of "has beens" when he can still compete on the biggest stage in the world? He made tons of money, that's not the issue, he like competing. The Senior tour was big in the 1980's because it gave guys like Trevino, Chi Chi, Colbert, then Irwin, a chance to earn some real money as the tour didn't really make anyone rich back in the day. Only guys like Palmer, Nicklaus and Watson really made a lot, and that was mostly from outside business interests. Those guys needed the money to retire comfortably. If I were Phil I would NOT play...maybe the US Senior Open, or British, but thats it. Tiger, no freaking way....why destroy your back chasing senior tour wins when you are a billionaire? As for guys like Stricker....I guess it's whether or not they like hanging out and traveling with old friends, does the competitive fire still burn? Trevino called the Senior tour his annuity, he was dead broke, and became the best senior ever till Irwin came along. Jack just did it for fun, and usually won when he played.

> > > > > > > While I agree with most of what you are saying.....I have to say that the object of being competitive is winning, picking up the trophy. I would rather rule in **** than serve in heaven (so to speak). The lower tier guys may play ffor money but the others play for the thrill of victory. The best years on the Champion tour is from 50-55....don't waste them trying to make the cut on the junior tour. Phil do not have many 50 year old friend out there....LOL!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > So by this logic DJ should go play on mini tours because it’s easier to win? Some guys want to compete against the best no matter their age

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What I'm saying is that Kenny Perry (missed cut), David Toms-(31st / $39,663) Should have played the Champions tour and let a young player have a chance. While Jim Furyk came in 13th - $136,875, he could dominate the Champions tour and win about $400K instead of trying to make cuts. Remember, in the history of the PGA tour only 7 players have won over the age of 50, one being Sam Snead.

> > > >

> > > > These guys are still competitors. The PGA Tour is still the top dog in golf, so guys will want to play there as long as they can, with any means available. They've earned the exemptions they use, whether it be past champions of a certain event or money earned over their career.

> > > >

> > > > There are plenty of guys out there in the "old guard" who still play at a very high level, and even compete for wins. DL3 won a couple years ago at age 51. Vijay Singh was in the middle of it all at the Honda Classic earlier this year. Jim Furyk nearly won the Players and has 8 top-25 finishes out of 14 events this year.

> > > >

> > > > Steve Stricker got an invitation from Jack to play the Memorial this week because of his past champion status. What, is he supposed to say "no" because he feels a "young guy" on the alternate list should play instead, while because of his age he should tee it up on the Champions Tour in Des Moines instead? That's absurd.

> > >

> > > If there's a Champions Tour event opposite the Memorial he should tell Jack …. Sorry I can't attend give my spot to a young player, I'm going where I have a great chance to win.....I don.t like playing to make the cut.

> >

> > Endless he "should" and that guy "should" and moving the goalposts with the argument.

> >

> > No "should" about it.

> >

> > Jack invites people for a reason, they accept for their own reasons and none of which has anything to do with your reasons, nor "should" you care.

>

> You obviously have never spoken to a Champion or have ANY Clue as to their psyche, mentality and

> Thought Processes.

>

> And if your response is gonna be that you have spoken to a Champion or Champions, names please?!!

>

> Seriously, I, and I’m sure the guys, would like to know to whom you’ve spoken with.

>

> Regardless 99, I respect your posting a thread and one, staying in the thread and secondly, responding as a Gentleman!

>

> Nicely Played?

>

> My Best,

> RP

I will keep my opinion until someone convince me otherwise. remember it just my opinion in a lively debate that's all. Having said that, Stricker is 25th and If he stays there and that's a big IF he will pocket about 80k, If he falls back to 30th he will get 62k. He would have to finish 8th at the Memorial to pocket the same as the winning check on the Champions tour $277K. Perel is over there stealing money. One thing though, his buddy Tiger is tied at 25th, they may play together tomorrow.

 

 

[rangersgoalie]

There are certainly players that may hang on too long. I don’t think the Toms and Stricker are examples are that.

 

There are also a lot of hanging around too long on the Champions.

 

But, you’re not going to find many players as successful as Stricker, Toms, Lov, that look at a schedule and feel like “wow, that’s easier money over there!”

 

You don’t become that good looking for easy

 

 

 

 

[Titleist99]

> @Forged4ever said:

> > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > @JaNelson38 said:

> > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > @ksgolfcoach said:

> > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > @dlygrisse said:

> > > > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > > I think Vijay Singh could have dominated the Champions Tour had he embraced it at the age of fifty, but he could not let it go.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yeah, so? Why would he hang out with a bunch of "has beens" when he can still compete on the biggest stage in the world? He made tons of money, that's not the issue, he like competing. The Senior tour was big in the 1980's because it gave guys like Trevino, Chi Chi, Colbert, then Irwin, a chance to earn some real money as the tour didn't really make anyone rich back in the day. Only guys like Palmer, Nicklaus and Watson really made a lot, and that was mostly from outside business interests. Those guys needed the money to retire comfortably. If I were Phil I would NOT play...maybe the US Senior Open, or British, but thats it. Tiger, no freaking way....why destroy your back chasing senior tour wins when you are a billionaire? As for guys like Stricker....I guess it's whether or not they like hanging out and traveling with old friends, does the competitive fire still burn? Trevino called the Senior tour his annuity, he was dead broke, and became the best senior ever till Irwin came along. Jack just did it for fun, and usually won when he played.

> > > > > > > While I agree with most of what you are saying.....I have to say that the object of being competitive is winning, picking up the trophy. I would rather rule in **** than serve in heaven (so to speak). The lower tier guys may play ffor money but the others play for the thrill of victory. The best years on the Champion tour is from 50-55....don't waste them trying to make the cut on the junior tour. Phil do not have many 50 year old friend out there....LOL!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > So by this logic DJ should go play on mini tours because it’s easier to win? Some guys want to compete against the best no matter their age

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > @ksgolfcoach said:

> > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > @dlygrisse said:

> > > > > > > > > @Titleist99 said:

> > > > > > > > > I think Vijay Singh could have dominated the Champions Tour had he embraced it at the age of fifty, but he could not let it go.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yeah, so? Why would he hang out with a bunch of "has beens" when he can still compete on the biggest stage in the world? He made tons of money, that's not the issue, he like competing. The Senior tour was big in the 1980's because it gave guys like Trevino, Chi Chi, Colbert, then Irwin, a chance to earn some real money as the tour didn't really make anyone rich back in the day. Only guys like Palmer, Nicklaus and Watson really made a lot, and that was mostly from outside business interests. Those guys needed the money to retire comfortably. If I were Phil I would NOT play...maybe the US Senior Open, or British, but thats it. Tiger, no freaking way....why destroy your back chasing senior tour wins when you are a billionaire? As for guys like Stricker....I guess it's whether or not they like hanging out and traveling with old friends, does the competitive fire still burn? Trevino called the Senior tour his annuity, he was dead broke, and became the best senior ever till Irwin came along. Jack just did it for fun, and usually won when he played.

> > > > > > > While I agree with most of what you are saying.....I have to say that the object of being competitive is winning, picking up the trophy. I would rather rule in **** than serve in heaven (so to speak). The lower tier guys may play ffor money but the others play for the thrill of victory. The best years on the Champion tour is from 50-55....don't waste them trying to make the cut on the junior tour. Phil do not have many 50 year old friend out there....LOL!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > So by this logic DJ should go play on mini tours because it’s easier to win? Some guys want to compete against the best no matter their age

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What I'm saying is that Kenny Perry (missed cut), David Toms-(31st / $39,663) Should have played the Champions tour and let a young player have a chance. While Jim Furyk came in 13th - $136,875, he could dominate the Champions tour and win about $400K instead of trying to make cuts. Remember, in the history of the PGA tour only 7 players have won over the age of 50, one being Sam Snead.

> > > >

> > > > These guys are still competitors. The PGA Tour is still the top dog in golf, so guys will want to play there as long as they can, with any means available. They've earned the exemptions they use, whether it be past champions of a certain event or money earned over their career.

> > > >

> > > > There are plenty of guys out there in the "old guard" who still play at a very high level, and even compete for wins. DL3 won a couple years ago at age 51. Vijay Singh was in the middle of it all at the Honda Classic earlier this year. Jim Furyk nearly won the Players and has 8 top-25 finishes out of 14 events this year.

> > > >

> > > > Steve Stricker got an invitation from Jack to play the Memorial this week because of his past champion status. What, is he supposed to say "no" because he feels a "young guy" on the alternate list should play instead, while because of his age he should tee it up on the Champions Tour in Des Moines instead? That's absurd.

> > >

> > > If there's a Champions Tour event opposite the Memorial he should tell Jack …. Sorry I can't attend give my spot to a young player, I'm going where I have a great chance to win.....I don.t like playing to make the cut.

> >

> > Endless he "should" and that guy "should" and moving the goalposts with the argument.

> >

> > No "should" about it.

> >

> > Jack invites people for a reason, they accept for their own reasons and none of which has anything to do with your reasons, nor "should" you care.

>

> You obviously have never spoken to a Champion or have ANY Clue as to their psyche, mentality and

> Thought Processes.

>

> And if your response is gonna be that you have spoken to a Champion or Champions, names please?!!

>

> Seriously, I, and I’m sure the guys, would like to know to whom you’ve spoken with.

>

> Regardless 99, I respect your posting a thread and one, staying in the thread and secondly, responding as a Gentleman!

>

> Nicely Played?

>

> My Best,

> RP

 

Wow...this software is terrible.....make me want to throw some clubs. But I digress. Posting is very difficult.

[Titleist99]

> @rangersgoalie said:

> There are certainly players that may hang on too long. I don’t think the Toms and Stricker are examples are that.

>

> There are also a lot of hanging around too long on the Champions.

>

> But, you’re not going to find many players as successful as Stricker, Toms, Lov, that look at a schedule and feel like “wow, that’s easier money over there!”

>

> You don’t become that good looking for easy

>

 

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I agree with you....My real point was, go to the Champions Tour while you still have game. You only have a short window from 50-55 (unless you are Irwin or Langer). I know that the circumstances are different for each player and that some can't or don't want to make the transition. The Senior tour is very competitive these days. To each his own.

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[Hawkeye77]

> @JaNelson38 said:

> > @games said:

> > Steve Stricker makes the cut. But, in all fairness, he should really give his spot on the weekend to a young guy who really deserves it like Tony Finau, Rory McIlroy, Cameron Champ, Jhonny Vegas, Jason Day, or Sung Kang.

> > LMFAO...

>

> If it wasnt for a shoddy back 9 on Friday, Strick is squarely in contention to win this week. Shoots 67 today.

>

> Should be in Des Moines though.... *eyeroll*

Pretty sure Games was being sarcastic.