Any new $2-3k simulator coming in 2021?

[Llortamaisey]

19 minutes ago, TD22057 said:

@From_Parts_Unknown do you have any source for that info?  I tried searching and couldn't find anything anywhere.

For what it’s worth, I’ve heard something similar. I didn’t hear the quad comparison but was told it’s a much better version of skytrak. You won’t find anything online about it because distributors and retailers are still under NDA. I guess time will tell. 

[PostandGhost]

10 hours ago, TD22057 said:

@From_Parts_Unknown do you have any source for that info?  I tried searching and couldn't find anything anywhere.

I was just making it all up.  Please forget I ever said anything about it.  

[amj6135]

I can tell you Garmin is definitely looking into a camera based system similar to SkyTrak as well.  Instead of using an expensive high speed camera.  Their system would use two much less expensive "low speed" cameras timed to take sequential photos to replicate a high speed system.  

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[BlueFab5]

On 1/23/2021 at 1:47 PM, A.Princey said:

On other sim forum it sounded like a few owners/users are dealing with nightmare CS, and issues. Ymmv

CS?  I wonder if the issue are from the hardware or can be addressed with updates. 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

On 1/15/2021 at 3:02 PM, doctorgriffo said:

From Full Swing (quoting from the other forum):

ball speed, club head speed, club path, club face, face to target, ball direction, apex, smash factor, launch angle, attack angle, carry distance, total distance, side total, side carry, spin, spin axis

Club data for that price would be huge.

[golftherapy02]

On 12/6/2020 at 9:07 PM, MH2 said:

Not much info on their site, i wonder if something like e6 can be used for sim play?

E6 can be used with the mevo plus. You can also use the golf club 2019. 

 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

On 1/31/2021 at 6:27 AM, amj6135 said:

I can tell you Garmin is definitely looking into a camera based system similar to SkyTrak as well.  Instead of using an expensive high speed camera.  Their system would use two much less expensive "low speed" cameras timed to take sequential photos to replicate a high speed system.  

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Interesting.  I read through the patent. It looks like they're going to use machine learning to "watch" the swing and the precisely time when the low speed cameras will take pictures. It also looks like they are going to try and use a microphone to help the system as well. 

 

Looks like the patent also is looking at adding a third camera to capture the ball on the club face...

 

When I read this it seems like a whoooole lot of software development to get away with cheap hardware. My interpretation is that the system will measure very little and extrapolate very much.

[amj6135]

It’s looks as though Garmin could go either way based on their patent. A system with 2 low speed cameras and timed by a microphone would be cheap and ball data could be just as accurate as skytrak’s or a GC2.  Or they could go 5 cameras with radar timing and club analysis.  
 

Trying to be optimistic, the best thing going for a Garmin product is they don’t  have a flagship product they would want to protect.

 

Flightscope’s Mevo+ is probably the best value for money technology wise.  It’s just unfortunate it’s full potential is locked as to protect the X3.  Full Swings Kit may force them to unlock club data though.

[HeeBGBz]

For an optical solution, I don't see anything being much cheaper than the Skytrak, if it was cheaper. Reading through the Garmin patent, they claim the need for 1000fps, which is probably a safe number. 150mph ball is ~220 ft/s, 200mph ball is ~293 ft/s, and 12,000 rpm spin is 200 rev/s. You'll probably want more than 2 captures to give quite a bit of wiggle room - you won't get the exact, exact moment of impact with those numbers - and you'll want to measure more than the 200 rev/s to avoid matching shutter speed with the ball spin. Single, "retail" camera for computer vision at 226fps is ~$335 (https://www.flir.com/products/blackfly-s-usb3/?model=BFS-U3-16S2C-CS), but that'd go down for bulk and even more for supplying a manufacturer, I'm sure. But, when you factor in three cameras, additional hardware to both drive general operation as well as timing the equipment, a mix of software development and R&D, and markups for profit for both Garmin and retail sellers, I'd guess it would be like the Skytrak at cheapest. Then the conversation on software licenses, etc.

 

The thing that they'd really have to get down is timing the cameras and knowing those timings well. That timing will be the basis for the calculations and appears to be a known problem in stereo systems for computer vision - which I am not super familiar with, just a casual Reddit reader at this point. I don't doubt that they can do it but that'll be the main problem to address with a setup like this. But, I'd be very interested in seeing what they make.

[Chrighton]

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[bap1130]

On 2/7/2021 at 2:14 PM, amj6135 said:

It’s looks as though Garmin could go either way based on their patent. A system with 2 low speed cameras and timed by a microphone would be cheap and ball data could be just as accurate as skytrak’s or a GC2.  Or they could go 5 cameras with radar timing and club analysis.  
 

Trying to be optimistic, the best thing going for a Garmin product is they don’t  have a flagship product they would want to protect.

 

Flightscope’s Mevo+ is probably the best value for money technology wise.  It’s just unfortunate it’s full potential is locked as to protect the X3.  Full Swings Kit may force them to unlock club data though.

 

Second this - stinks that they have the data and just refuse to show it.

[swoosh21]

Full Swing Kit is supposed to be launched in April?

[MofoJones]

Good question. I Want something that uses cameras for indoors that is under $5k. 
Hopefully someone makes one closer to gc2 than skytrak and with a very competitive price that takes over the world 

[MofoJones]

What’s this Garmin system people are mentioning?!? Exciting stuff if they have potential for way more analysis (FPS) than that of a SkyTrak and more comparable to Foresight

[doctorgriffo]

It has gone disconcertingly quiet on the full swing kit front. They didn’t show anything at the PGA show and there has been no communication to folks who paid the $100 deposit 4-5 months ago. I will be stunned if they deliver anything this summer as claimed (April round the corner, and no reviews, no updates, no leaked rumors or sightings - not a good sign)

[cardoustie]

Following as well, I’d like a 4K system of some sort

[puttbetter]

just the forum thread i needed. was about to commit on a skytrak but now will wait to see what develops. thanks in advance for any and all updates! 

[miamigolfman]

following... want to take the plunge shortly

[codylowrygolf]

On 3/28/2021 at 1:16 PM, doctorgriffo said:

It has gone disconcertingly quiet on the full swing kit front. They didn’t show anything at the PGA show and there has been no communication to folks who paid the $100 deposit 4-5 months ago. I will be stunned if they deliver anything this summer as claimed (April round the corner, and no reviews, no updates, no leaked rumors or sightings - not a good sign)

 

At least one sighting... Found in another thread. 

 

 

Personally, I'm pumped for this to come out. And hopefully followed up with a review or two from some early adopters. Sighting or not, I'm thinking fall is when it gets done. But who knows! 

 

[doctorgriffo]

2 minutes ago, codylowrygolf said:

 

At least one sighting... Found in another thread. 

 

 

Personally, I'm pumped for this to come out. And hopefully followed up with a review or two from some early adopters. Sighting or not, I'm thinking fall is when it gets done. But who knows! 

 

This was posted a couple of months ago on the golf simulator forum - I’ve given up checking in on it (others have reached out and got the same marketing spiel from FS, and nothing useful).  Anything in 2021 would be a pleasant surprise, and I’m not asking for my $100 back from them yet.

[Celeb]

Interested in this product but there is no way I would give them $100. Price would be the same when it came out (if it ever does) and no way of knowing whether it is any good. This could die before ever being released and if they are desperate for that 100 dollars because they need the cash that is big trouble. I guess losing 100 isn't the end of the world but why take a chance?

[AcesAndHoles]

On 6/11/2021 at 9:22 AM, Celeb said:

Interested in this product but there is no way I would give them $100. Price would be the same when it came out (if it ever does) and no way of knowing whether it is any good. This could die before ever being released and if they are desperate for that 100 dollars because they need the cash that is big trouble. I guess losing 100 isn't the end of the world but why take a chance?

It's refundable

[FlashinLeather]

16 hours ago, AcesAndHoles said:

It's refundable

 

Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me. 

[AcesAndHoles]

 

19 hours ago, FlashinLeather said:

 

Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me. 

Okay [Tommy], I'll buy from you

 

[supranak]

I just got a mevo plus too

[PostandGhost]

On 1/29/2021 at 11:31 PM, TD22057 said:

@From_Parts_Unknown do you have any source for that info?  I tried searching and couldn't find anything anywhere.

Looks like the Garmin R10 is better than I expected.  Here's my source.

 

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/695391

[Bigbruce]

3 hours ago, From_Parts_Unknown said:

Looks like the Garmin R10 is better than I expected.  Here's my source.

 

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/695391

There is one YouTube video review so far and it makes me want it. I’m hoping a few more come out and they compare it to the others. $599 seems to be a steal for what it can do. I told my wife seems almost to good for the price.

[AcesAndHoles]

If this is as good as advertised it will break the sim world

[AcesAndHoles]

Only 16 feet max required with a net too... 

[FlashinLeather]

2 hours ago, AcesAndHoles said:

If this is as good as advertised it will break the sim world

 

I just ordered one. It is set to ship on 7/31. Has a 30 day return policy - if it does not live up to expectations I will just return it.