Tour UST Mamiya - All In putter shaft - 2022 WGC Dell Technologies Match Play

[mbry429]

I installed the steel tip .370 All In on my CMD custom and liking it over stock TT steel so far. Definitely stiffer with more feedback off the face, which I like, but have only carpet rolled it so far - planning to take it to course soon.

 

also recently picked up the Aerotech putter shaft on a whim, don’t think there will be much of a 1:1 comparison between the two though bc the Aero is like 20-25g heavier so expecting it’ll play much stiffer.

[getitdaily]

Have owned this shaft for a few weeks now and have tried it in 2 different putters; pxg Hercules and odyssey 11 ch.

 

Short putts - there is no difference in dispersion, make rate, etc compared to steel. Steel has more feel so short putts, the choice of this shaft really comes down to whether you want a bit of feel (steel) or if you want more "sturdy" (all-in).

 

Long putts - really surprised here. Distance control was TEDIOUS with the all-in. This surprised me. I thought these shafts were supposed to be better on longer putts...IT ISN'T.  Putts hopped more and skidded more with the all-in than steel. Very surprising.

[getitdaily]

I have continued using the all-in in my 11ch. Have adapted, I believe. I actually now prefer the feel of the all-in over steel. I bought a pxg 1&done and have been rolling it the last few days. It has a steel shaft. Not apples to apples because the heads are different.  But the head weight is the same on both but the pxg feels heavier. You can feel the heft of the steel shaft. 

 

I'm not sure how it's done but the all-in feels a bit lighter despite it weighing the same as steel. The "one piece" feel of the all-in is what I like the most. Going to put one in the pxg...

[QuigleyDU]

I have one of these. I am not sure what to think of it yet. To me it feels very stiff and dead. I am not sure that I like that feeling. It probably does exactly what it is supposed but I am not sure I like it.

[getitdaily]

47 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

I have one of these. I am not sure what to think of it yet. To me it feels very stiff and dead. I am not sure that I like that feeling. It probably does exactly what it is supposed but I am not sure I like it.

I was the same way. You may also feel like speed control is initially tedious.

 

However, once you get used to the feel, everything settles in. Not sure if it really makes much difference or not...all based on feel, I think.

[radiman]

Just now, getitdaily said:

I was the same way. You may also feel like speed control is initially tedious.

 

However, once you get used to the feel, everything settles in. Not sure if it really makes much difference or not...all based on feel, I think.

I think I am settled in with it now.  I hate trying to put words to something like a putter shaft because it's so much based on feel and results are kind of gathered over a very long time.  I have been putting insanely well this season right out of the gate.  I don't have any metrics.  I just know that I am lagging very well and making a lot more putts than normal.  To the point where my playing partners have been commenting on the improvement.  Same putter head I was using last season.  Only difference is the All-In.  

[QuigleyDU]

15 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

I was the same way. You may also feel like speed control is initially tedious.

 

However, once you get used to the feel, everything settles in. Not sure if it really makes much difference or not...all based on feel, I think.

 

Yeah, I am comparing it to the stroke lab. I know that while they may look similar, the goal is not the same. The strokelab has a bit more whip it seems to me. 

[radiman]

Just now, QuigleyDU said:

 

Yeah, I am comparing it to the stroke lab. I know that while they may look similar, the goal is not the same. The strokelab has a bit more whip it seems to me. 

Strokelab feels sooooo smooth.  Definitely on opposite ends of the spectrum in that regard. 

[getitdaily]

15 minutes ago, radiman said:

I think I am settled in with it now.  I hate trying to put words to something like a putter shaft because it's so much based on feel and results are kind of gathered over a very long time.  I have been putting insanely well this season right out of the gate.  I don't have any metrics.  I just know that I am lagging very well and making a lot more putts than normal.  To the point where my playing partners have been commenting on the improvement.  Same putter head I was using last season.  Only difference is the All-In.  

Yeah it's hard to specify if the shaft makes a difference. "Proof" will certainly be anecdotal for most. I won't spend the time to get on sam puttlab and I would have had to do it with steel in my 11ch first. 

 

For me, things are also hard to gauge because I was in the middle of a transition to claw grip when I put the ust shaft in. I was also working to use the line in the ball for putts 10' or less. I'm putting better but can't tell how much is shaft related. What I can say is that I like the feel of the ust now.

 

One note I do have is that with steel and claw grip I was hitting an occasional pull. That is completely gone with the ust. 

[QuigleyDU]

1 minute ago, radiman said:

Strokelab feels sooooo smooth.  Definitely on opposite ends of the spectrum in that regard. 

Yeah, it is a huge difference. like I said, they do not have the same goal. The strokelab is about balance the all in is about torque. So I am not surprised at the difference in feel. But, I am trying to decide if there is a tangible benefit to super low torque putter shafts. 

[getitdaily]

5 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

 

Yeah, I am comparing it to the stroke lab. I know that while they may look similar, the goal is not the same. The strokelab has a bit more whip it seems to me. 

That stroke lab will feel like a noodle compared to the ust.

[radiman]

Just now, QuigleyDU said:

Yeah, it is a huge difference. like I said, they do not have the same goal. The strokelab is about balance the all in is about torque. So I am not surprised at the difference in feel. But, I am trying to decide if there is a tangible benefit to super low torque putter shafts. 

I think that will take some time to decipher.  Maybe on a high end putter fitting system there can be some tangibles that can be picked that prove it.  But, if you don't have access to that tech, then it's just going to be a matter of putting it in play.  

[getitdaily]

5 minutes ago, radiman said:

Strokelab feels sooooo smooth.  Definitely on opposite ends of the spectrum in that regard. 

I hated stroke lab. Felt like there was no heft.  Steel feels like too much heft. Ust is goldilocks for me.

[radiman]

1 minute ago, getitdaily said:

I hated stroke lab. Felt like there was no heft.  Steel feels like too much heft. Ust is goldilocks for me.

I liked stroke lab.  It was something that seemed to impact my stroke itself.  It was an adjustment going away from it once I got used to it. However, I am all in on the All In lol.  For as lame as it sounds, it's true haha. 

[getitdaily]

So I figured out why I'm a fan of the all-in...heft in the grip section (or lack thereof).

 

With steel, you can feel the heft in the grip. With the all-in, despite the shaft being 130g, there's no noticeable heft in the grip section. 

 

It seems they've been able to move weight under the grip while maintaining that super stiff feeling.

 

Not heavy in grip but heavy in mid...works for me. 

[Rickrwg]

Reviving the thread guys can someone tell me how long the steel section is on the steel tip version?

 

I have bought the retrofit shaft and want to match the length of i can

 

Thanks 

[ForTourUseOnly]

On 12/9/2022 at 11:22 AM, radiman said:

Getting one of these in to go up against my MMT putter shaft.  Thankfully, swapping shafts in a putter is super easy. So, I think I will try to figure out a way to set a baseline with the MMT.  Swap to the All In.  Compare and contrast them a bit.  Can just pull and reinstall back and forth as I go through the process. 

How would you compare the All in to the MMT Putter?

[ForTourUseOnly]

On 8/27/2023 at 6:14 PM, Rickrwg said:

Reviving the thread guys can someone tell me how long the steel section is on the steel tip version?

 

I have bought the retrofit shaft and want to match the length of i can

 

Thanks 

6" just found this out from UST

[radiman]

2 hours ago, ForTourUseOnly said:

How would you compare the All in to the MMT Putter?

Honestly, pretty similar. Dampened impact a touch. But not overly so. Plenty stout. I haven’t played the MMT in a while now though, so hard to remember. 
 

I have since changed putters a few times and after going back to steel for a bit, I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that graphite doesn’t really give me any perceived performance benefit. 
 

I would do it again. But would probably be mainly for aesthetics or just cool factor haha. UST would be my choice again. Great price. 

[ForTourUseOnly]

14 hours ago, radiman said:

Honestly, pretty similar. Dampened impact a touch. But not overly so. Plenty stout. I haven’t played the MMT in a while now though, so hard to remember. 
 

I have since changed putters a few times and after going back to steel for a bit, I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that graphite doesn’t really give me any perceived performance benefit. 
 

I would do it again. But would probably be mainly for aesthetics or just cool factor haha. UST would be my choice again. Great price. 

Freq wise the MMT is quite a bit softer, even a hair softer than steel but because its super low torque it has me intrigued, I cant seem to find the Torque measurement for the UST (although everyone measures differently so who knows if its comparable anyways)

[radiman]

3 minutes ago, ForTourUseOnly said:

Freq wise the MMT is quite a bit softer, even a hair softer than steel but because its super low torque it has me intrigued, I cant seem to find the Torque measurement for the UST (although everyone measures differently so who knows if its comparable anyways)

I was interested in trying graphite.  But, after not really seeing any meaningful difference (aside from feel at impact) I realized that the only way to measure it's success would be an insane amount of data collection before and after the change. 

With as slow as the putter moves, I don't necessarily buy into the benefits, at least for me.  Especially not at the cost of a lot of the options.  Taking a flyer on a $99 or $120 option isn't nearly as hard to stomach.  

[ForTourUseOnly]

On 3/19/2024 at 12:20 PM, radiman said:

I was interested in trying graphite.  But, after not really seeing any meaningful difference (aside from feel at impact) I realized that the only way to measure it's success would be an insane amount of data collection before and after the change. 

With as slow as the putter moves, I don't necessarily buy into the benefits, at least for me.  Especially not at the cost of a lot of the options.  Taking a flyer on a $99 or $120 option isn't nearly as hard to stomach.  

Just installed the all graphite one into my putter and it is much closer to steel than the retro fit or the fuji putter shafts, its about 10g heavier effectively since its a little shorter to start. Swingweights pretty much the same as steel maybe even a point less. stiffness wides based on cpm its about 30cpm stiffer than the stock steel shaft. Feel wise its not as muted sounding of the face as the fuji, closer to the sound of steel. Not sure if I see a benefit over steel either but I like that its a bit stiffer.