Female LIV events with same purses as men? ***Moderated***

[third-times-a-charm]

11 hours ago, quackhead said:

Paige Spiranac, Belen Mozo, Blair O'Neal, ......🙂

All of the instagram 'golf women' that havent been able to hack it on the tours are just foaming at the mouth right now waiting for this to be a reality.

[AWinfortheAges]

On 7/21/2022 at 12:10 AM, quackhead said:

Paige Spiranac, Belen Mozo, Blair O'Neal, ......🙂

Hasn't Paige done some promotional work or been sponsored by Golf Saudi? I don't think her injury will allow Belen to play.

[AWinfortheAges]

https://t.co/6eWGhHdMfx

 

From a negotiation standpoint, I think Fassi and Kerr shouldn't publicly speak about locker room discussions about interest in LIV. Don't show them how eager you are and that it's basically fait accompli that players will join. 

[Lobby]

I've been pretty vocal in my disdain for the LIV tour.  

On social media, I'm blocking everyone who shills for the LIV:  journalists, players, and fans.   I don't want it in my feed.

If there's some sort of Women's LIV tour, I won't watch.

If there's a partnership between the LPGA and LIV, I'll give up watching the ladies.

[fredogolfer]

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/07/22/lpga-mollie-marcoux-samaan-liv-golf/
 

It surprises me how Mollie talks like the tour isn’t already doing business with the Saudi’s through the LET

 

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by fredogolfer

[fredogolfer]

21 hours ago, AWinfortheAges said:

https://t.co/6eWGhHdMfx

 

From a negotiation standpoint, I think Fassi and Kerr shouldn't publicly speak about locker room discussions about interest in LIV. Don't show them how eager you are and that it's basically fait accompli that players will join. 

Absolutely, show them how eager you are and your negotiating power goes down by a lot.

[Rapidcat]

18 hours ago, Lobby said:

I've been pretty vocal in my disdain for the LIV tour.  

On social media, I'm blocking everyone who shills for the LIV:  journalists, players, and fans.   I don't want it in my feed.

If there's some sort of Women's LIV tour, I won't watch.

If there's a partnership between the LPGA and LIV, I'll give up watching the ladies.

I get your opinion and hope the LPGA tour can continue on its growth spurt to the benefit of its tour members. The LIV teams structure does nothing for me as a golf spectacle and that's not even considering Saudi human rights/treatment issues.

 

However, I fear based on your comments that you won't be watching much ladies golf in the future. Not saying this is what I want but it is so easy for LIV to destroy the LPGA tour in say 1-3 months.

 

Consider:

Only 21 of the top 100 world ranked women are US. So what US pros favour is close to irrelevant. I know how hard that must read for a US-based tour that has given many of the top 100 (but not all) a decent livelihood from playing golf. I expect most pros would want to live in their home countries rather than the US, and can do this with more lucrative but less number of LIV events in other countries, plus there will be some in the US anyway.

Aramco already does a team's series (LET) incl a New York event that the Koorda's (as an example) played in rather than an LPGA event

Plenty of the top 100 play in Saudi geography events, so don't seem to have any humanitarian issue with playing.

The women's game is so under-paid and resourced vs the men's game, easy to see women pros 'defecting' for X times $ events with no cuts.

Too many dormant weeks in the LPGA calendar (hint: LPGA and LIV team up with LIV filling the gaps).

LPGA majors would be a farce if the top players 'defected" and were banned from the traditional majors.

 

I doubt LIV would have to pay much if any in sign-on fees to get the top women, just have fields with no cuts and so much better prizemoney. If any sign-on fees for say Nelly Korda, how about $5m, that may be enough.

 

If LIV did this it sends such a strong signal re the men's game that anything is do-able with enough $ and so can bring the PGA tour to the negotiating table.

 

The PGA tour execs have so botched the men's situation.

 

Never under-estimate an intelligent, commercially superior (easily the most successful golfer/businessmen) with ego, a vendetta and almost unlimited $ to get what he wants to happen.

 

It would be so easy to get the women's game across to LIV.

[North Texas]

20 hours ago, Lobby said:

I've been pretty vocal in my disdain for the LIV tour.  

On social media, I'm blocking everyone who shills for the LIV:  journalists, players, and fans.   I don't want it in my feed.

If there's some sort of Women's LIV tour, I won't watch.

If there's a partnership between the LPGA and LIV, I'll give up watching the ladies.

 

I'm right there with you. Unfortunately, it's just a matter of time based on Mollie Samaan's comments that she would listen to what the LIV has to say. 

 

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/07/22/lpga-mollie-marcoux-samaan-liv-golf/?itm_source=parsely-api

[North Texas]

17 minutes ago, Rapidcat said:

I get your opinion and hope the LPGA tour can continue on its growth spurt to the benefit of its tour members. The LIV teams structure does nothing for me as a golf spectacle and that's not even considering Saudi human rights/treatment issues.

 

However, I fear based on your comments that you won't be watching much ladies golf in the future. Not saying this is what I want but it is so easy for LIV to destroy the LPGA tour in say 1-3 months.

 

Consider:

Only 21 of the top 100 world ranked women are US. So what US pros favour is close to irrelevant. I know how hard that must read for a US-based tour that has given many of the top 100 (but not all) a decent livelihood from playing golf. I expect most pros would want to live in their home countries rather than the US, and can do this with more lucrative but less number of LIV events in other countries, plus there will be some in the US anyway.

Aramco already does a team's series (LET) incl a New York event that the Koorda's (as an example) played in rather than an LPGA event

Plenty of the top 100 play in Saudi geography events, so don't seem to have any humanitarian issue with playing.

The women's game is so under-paid and resourced vs the men's game, easy to see women pros 'defecting' for X times $ events with no cuts.

Too many dormant weeks in the LPGA calendar (hint: LPGA and LIV team up with LIV filling the gaps).

LPGA majors would be a farce if the top players 'defected" and were banned from the traditional majors.

 

I doubt LIV would have to pay much if any in sign-on fees to get the top women, just have fields with no cuts and so much better prizemoney. If any sign-on fees for say Nelly Korda, how about $5m, that may be enough.

 

If LIV did this it sends such a strong signal re the men's game that anything is do-able with enough $ and so can bring the PGA tour to the negotiating table.

 

The PGA tour execs have so botched the men's situation.

 

Never under-estimate an intelligent, commercially superior (easily the most successful golfer/businessmen) with ego, a vendetta and almost unlimited $ to get what he wants to happen.

 

It would be so easy to get the women's game across to LIV.

 

"Never under-estimate an intelligent, commercially superior (easily the most successful golfer/businessmen) with ego, a vendetta and almost unlimited $ to get what he wants to happen."

 

There is no question in my mind at all that Greg Norman wants to destroy the PGA. That''s the kind of person he is. The LIV is basically going to destroy professional golf as we know it today. 

[Rapidcat]

1 hour ago, fredogolfer said:

Absolutely, show them how eager you are and your negotiating power goes down by a lot.

Yes, but it might trigger LIV to do it, knowing they have a receptive player base.

 

Like shooting fish in a barrel, I would love (from a purely remuneration-based situation, no other moral considerations in this comment) to be the LIV exec with a bonus based KPI set for bringing the women's game across to LIV, just so easy.

[Rapidcat]

1 hour ago, North Texas said:

 

"Never under-estimate an intelligent, commercially superior (easily the most successful golfer/businessmen) with ego, a vendetta and almost unlimited $ to get what he wants to happen."

 

There is no question in my mind at all that Greg Norman wants to destroy the PGA. That''s the kind of person he is. The LIV is basically going to destroy professional golf as we know it today. 

Yes, likely I think.

 

Time for all parties to come together and agree a way forward that doesn't destroy what is already in place that is good and avert extreme conclusions.

 

Just get around a table and work it out.

[fredogolfer]

3 hours ago, Rapidcat said:

I get your opinion and hope the LPGA tour can continue on its growth spurt to the benefit of its tour members. The LIV teams structure does nothing for me as a golf spectacle and that's not even considering Saudi human rights/treatment issues.

 

However, I fear based on your comments that you won't be watching much ladies golf in the future. Not saying this is what I want but it is so easy for LIV to destroy the LPGA tour in say 1-3 months.

 

Consider:

Only 21 of the top 100 world ranked women are US. So what US pros favour is close to irrelevant. I know how hard that must read for a US-based tour that has given many of the top 100 (but not all) a decent livelihood from playing golf. I expect most pros would want to live in their home countries rather than the US, and can do this with more lucrative but less number of LIV events in other countries, plus there will be some in the US anyway.

Aramco already does a team's series (LET) incl a New York event that the Koorda's (as an example) played in rather than an LPGA event

Plenty of the top 100 play in Saudi geography events, so don't seem to have any humanitarian issue with playing.

The women's game is so under-paid and resourced vs the men's game, easy to see women pros 'defecting' for X times $ events with no cuts.

Too many dormant weeks in the LPGA calendar (hint: LPGA and LIV team up with LIV filling the gaps).

LPGA majors would be a farce if the top players 'defected" and were banned from the traditional majors.

 

I doubt LIV would have to pay much if any in sign-on fees to get the top women, just have fields with no cuts and so much better prizemoney. If any sign-on fees for say Nelly Korda, how about $5m, that may be enough.

 

If LIV did this it sends such a strong signal re the men's game that anything is do-able with enough $ and so can bring the PGA tour to the negotiating table.

 

The PGA tour execs have so botched the men's situation.

 

Never under-estimate an intelligent, commercially superior (easily the most successful golfer/businessmen) with ego, a vendetta and almost unlimited $ to get what he wants to happen.

 

It would be so easy to get the women's game across to LIV.

If LIV wanted to throw a wrench into things they’d invest in the KLPGA or JLPGA and hold a majority of events in those 2 countries and make Nelly, Jessica, Lexi and Cristie spend extended amounts of time in Asia. Danielle Kang, Lydia Ko, and others I don’t think would mind having to spend extended amounts of time in Asia as they have ties to Asian countries. Players like Hannah Green, the Jutanugarns may also appreciate being only an 7-9 hour plane ride away from home rather than up to 19 depending on where you’re flying from.

 

The Saudis already host women’s events in Europe and the USA. Trust golf hosts the Scottish open and gives a majority of exemptions to Thai players being a Thai company. There may be indeed an Asian takeover of women’s golf albeit not like Jan Stephenson thought. Most events in Asia and the middle east plus the majors and a few in North America and Europe. 
 

Have 20-25 events and the LPGA as we know it goes kaput. Not what I wish for but it’s not hard to imagine it happening.

[AWinfortheAges]

Did the PGA, LIV and DP just do to the LPGA a similar thing the Masters did to the Avian &LPGA?

 

Basically made a move that has no consideration for them.

[Lobby]

There’s no doubt the Saudi’s can do to the women’s tour what they did to the men’s. 
 

Will they?  Do they want to?  

[JungleJimbo]

 

[woahnelly]

On 6/6/2023 at 8:14 PM, JungleJimbo said:

 

 

Ok who is beating my team 

 

"4 Queens" .. like Aces on LIV.. nvm 

 

Jeeno 

Ina Yoon 

Annie Park 

Alexa Melton 

 

[JungleJimbo]

6 hours ago, woahnelly said:

 

Ok who is beating my team 

 

"4 Queens" .. like Aces on LIV.. nvm 

 

Jeeno 

Ina Yoon 

Annie Park 

Alexa Melton 

 

Perhaps in the afterglow of the Hanwha Lifeplus international crown... 

but i still like "Thai Rak Thai"

vs "Aussie Aussie Aussie... Oi Oi Oi".

 

@woahnelly... Is Alexa Melton's inclusion = a so-called 'porcelain/ flower vase' ...i.e. to appeal to sponsors? 

 

Edited June 9, 2023 by JungleJimbo

[woahnelly]

5 hours ago, JungleJimbo said:

Perhaps in the afterglow of the Hanwha Lifeplus international crown... 

but i still like "Thai Rak Thai"

vs "Aussie Aussie Aussie... Oi Oi Oi".

 

@woahnelly... Is Alexa Melton's inclusion = a so-called 'porcelain/ flower vase' ...i.e. to appeal to sponsors? 

 

 

We may not have the strongest team, but we will be the fan favorites ! 😂