Tour Kevin Kisner - WITB - 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am

[Big_BenB]

Always love seeing Kisner’s choice of clubs

[pjc]

8 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

The paradym already has like 4 tour wins since it launched under its belt.  More than any other driver in that time frame.  Tells you a lot about their product.

2 of them from same player.

[James the Hogan Fan]

5 hours ago, boggyman said:

I’ll try it regardless but definitely got the price point wrong I believe,especially if they want more of the market. I’ve had some great success with their drivers in the past, especially the d100 and FG Tour f5 series. 

 

Wilson had the D300 at $350, D7 at $299, and D9 at $350. All were solid performers. Now they launch the Dynapower, which is apparently putting up excellent numbers in reviews, price it with the other second-tier brands, and suddenly they've "missed the price point"? Like I know we all hoped it would be 3 easy payments of $79.99, but if they did that everyone would say it's a cheap box-set club and would still rail against it.

 

The only thing they missed for me is the release date. Embargo date January 17th, not available until Feb 22 for preorder, and March something for delivery. We don't even get to hit the thing until a month after you can buy, have delivered, and have any other brand in your bag.

[Ripper17]

If Wilson released the CB’s in a raw finish they would sell a bunch

[The Mad Bomber]

7 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

Hope not.  Be a shame if it was.  Cortex was a great driver.  I am sure this one will be excellent, too.  I think they got the price point wrong.

“Great” is a pretty big stretch

[croy203]

Tough look for Wilson to not have their driver in the bag. Obviously it's an incredibly difficult market to compete in, but even the aesthetic of the Dynapower is average at best. With no wow factor or tour presence, I don't know how you would expect the club to sell.

[kkennedy]

I would give it some time. I'm sure Wilson would prefer Kisner play well and show up on TV Sunday with Wilson hat and bag and the average viewer having no idea he is not playing their driver, versus forcing him to use it without getting it fully dialed and playing poorly

[nova6868]

Those irons look like they tried to grind them into a Srixon V-Sole sort of shape. 

 

[Steve o]

2 hours ago, The Mad Bomber said:

“Great” is a pretty big stretch

If a person thought it was great who are you to tell him he/she was wrong

[MattyO1984]

11 hours ago, chrisp said:

He was playing a 6 year old driver.  

It must have been a pretty decent driver to have stayed in the bag all those years.

 

That was exactly my recollection - he had one of the Great Big Bertha drivers in the bag for years...must have quite liked it!

[Vlade15]

12 hours ago, The Mad Bomber said:

“Great” is a pretty big stretch

You use it?  Kept up speed and distance wise with any other driver of its time.  Just priced wrong.  Much like this driver.

[reitz37]

Lol the Dynapower stuff looks like it comes in a complete set including bag at dunham's for $299.99

[Vlade15]

 

17 hours ago, James the Hogan Fan said:

 

Wilson had the D300 at $350, D7 at $299, and D9 at $350. All were solid performers. Now they launch the Dynapower, which is apparently putting up excellent numbers in reviews, price it with the other second-tier brands, and suddenly they've "missed the price point"? Like I know we all hoped it would be 3 easy payments of $79.99, but if they did that everyone would say it's a cheap box-set club and would still rail against it.

 

The only thing they missed for me is the release date. Embargo date January 17th, not available until Feb 22 for preorder, and March something for delivery. We don't even get to hit the thing until a month after you can buy, have delivered, and have any other brand in your bag.

D7, D9, and D300 were not touted as "players" drivers.  The DYNA Carbon was.  It had way more hype going (still not a ton, comparatively to others) than a D7 or D9 would have.  Then they priced it with companies like Cobra, Taylormade, Callaway.

[easylittle5wood]

Any word on the proto LSL 3 iron shafts?

[GrandStranded]

On 1/31/2023 at 7:54 PM, ShakeyT said:

No Dynapower driver when it gets tournament time. That's not a good thing for Wilson. 

 

On 1/31/2023 at 8:14 PM, Steve o said:

Honestly his not playing Dynapwr tic's me off.

Hey… this ain’t no hobby for him!

[James the Hogan Fan]

4 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

 

D7, D9, and D300 were not touted as "players" drivers.  The DYNA Carbon was.  It had way more hype going (still not a ton, comparatively to others) than a D7 or D9 would have.  Then they priced it with companies like Cobra, Taylormade, Callaway.

 

Oddly enough, the D300 has a tour win. 

 

Paradym: $599 (MSRP)

Stealth 2: $600 (2+: $630)

G430: $600-630

TSR: $600

Aerojet: $549

 

Zx5/7: $499

ST-Z 230: $499

Dynapower: Ti: $430/Carbon: $499

0311 Gen5: $299

 

They priced it solidly in/below the tier 2 players' driver segment. (PXG pricing is just weird) No one complains about Srixon or Mizuno being there.

 

Wilson for whatever reason is held to some impossible standard. Make a club that is better than the big boys, but sell it for... half? of what they do, make sure it does not incorporate a single visual design element that bears any resemblance to any other driver ("looks they just ripped off brand xyz"), make sure it doesn't look like it belongs in a box set (whatever that means), the list goes on.

 

 

[Valtiel]

On 2/1/2023 at 6:26 AM, Vlade15 said:

The paradym already has like 4 tour wins since it launched under its belt.  More than any other driver in that time frame.  Tells you a lot about Jon Rahm.

Fixed that for ya 

[The Mad Bomber]

17 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

You use it?  Kept up speed and distance wise with any other driver of its time.  Just priced wrong.  Much like this driver.

I certainly hit it. I’d argue that distance isn’t the only criteria for a driver by a long shot, and that driver fell short in a lot of ways. Nothing really great about it. 

[JDTex]

22 hours ago, reitz37 said:

Lol the Dynapower stuff looks like it comes in a complete set including bag at dunham's for $299.99

I don’t want to bag on Wilson here, but I agree that 3 wood doesn’t “look” premium to me. I’m sure it’s a good club but looks are a big part of it. 

[bogeyman71]

I don't know if Wilson will ever get back to where they were in the 60's 70's and 80's.  Just as the post above states, they are lacking the premium look.  I'm a big fan of Kisner and hope he leads them in the right direction.

[Vlade15]

15 hours ago, James the Hogan Fan said:

 

Oddly enough, the D300 has a tour win. 

 

Paradym: $599 (MSRP)

Stealth 2: $600 (2+: $630)

G430: $600-630

TSR: $600

Aerojet: $549

 

Zx5/7: $499

ST-Z 230: $499

Dynapower: Ti: $430/Carbon: $499

0311 Gen5: $299

 

They priced it solidly in/below the tier 2 players' driver segment. (PXG pricing is just weird) No one complains about Srixon or Mizuno being there.

 

Wilson for whatever reason is held to some impossible standard. Make a club that is better than the big boys, but sell it for... half? of what they do, make sure it does not incorporate a single visual design element that bears any resemblance to any other driver ("looks they just ripped off brand xyz"), make sure it doesn't look like it belongs in a box set (whatever that means), the list goes on.

 

 

I agree with you on Wilson being held to an unfair standard.  I think the driver actually looks great.  I am going to try it out.  Just think they should have priced it $50 lower to try and gain market share.

[James the Hogan Fan]

6 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

I agree with you on Wilson being held to an unfair standard.  I think the driver actually looks great.  I am going to try it out.  Just think they should have priced it $50 lower to try and gain market share.

 

I'm hoping I get fit for the Ti for that exact reason; save a bit more money!

[coloradogolf72]

8 hours ago, Vlade15 said:

I agree with you on Wilson being held to an unfair standard.  I think the driver actually looks great.  I am going to try it out.  Just think they should have priced it $50 lower to try and gain market share.

 

Making it $50 cheaper wouldn't do much for them. It still needs to perform. The OEMs that are trying to gain traction have a large wall to climb and it's not getting easier with how much $$$ Callaway and TaylorMade are willing to throw at anyone (almost literally anyone with the YouTube golfer signings). 

[coloradogolf72]

9 hours ago, JDTex said:

I don’t want to bag on Wilson here, but I agree that 3 wood doesn’t “look” premium to me. I’m sure it’s a good club but looks are a big part of it. 

 

Have you seen it in person from address? It doesn't look bad at all. I would have no issues playing it. 

[scottygolfer]

On 1/31/2023 at 5:41 PM, awtryau89 said:

Biggest thing is he isn’t playing a Callaway driver. Tells you a lot about their product. Is there anyone not under contract playing their driver. Don’t think so. Ping, Titleist, TM all see non staffer in their drivers. 

Justin Rose went from the 2016 TaylorMade M2 to the Paradym last week at Torrey.  Not sure what's in the bag this week at Pebble.

[CBraynor]

I guarantee if you slapped a callaway or TM logo on the driver no one would say it looks cheap. Just looks like a normal driver to me🤷🏻‍♂️

[raptors11]

what does Kiz have in the bag today? TSR or 430? He's playing nicely on sat. 

[weezel514]

One thing I dont understand, is the un-tested and outright hate for a driver they have never seen or played. Conversely, no love for lots of pros that can go to WS irons and not skip a beat. The forum warriors here are just a weird bunch. 

[weezel514]

23 hours ago, CBraynor said:

I guarantee if you slapped a callaway or TM logo on the driver no one would say it looks cheap. Just looks like a normal driver to me🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly. 

[ayong]

On 2/1/2023 at 10:34 AM, AubFan said:

Cannot wait for that tri hot 7!

Same here. It looks sick!