ProSENDR

[Pnwpingi210]

I picked one up.  Only had it a couple days.  Did the protocols in the backyard and one range session.

 

I think it’s a great training aid to get your wrist in the right position in the top of the back swing.  I’ve long been a left wrist cupper who gets too flat and over extended in the backswing. 
 

using this gives me a feel of getting vertical with a lot of width in the backswing.  Seems like this allows me to get set at the top and just fire the hips and the clubs falls into and whips through the the slot on plane vs having to help the club with the arms.  Feels very efficient.  Ball flight was a little lower and more penetrating with an 8 iron.  
 

mill update next weekend after I’ve used about and played a round

[MkforAlbatross]

Prosendr is worth it. All of these guys in here talking crap against it without using it. "Tie a shoehorn to your wrist" is comical but y'all are wild to think this is the same.  Funny to read someone saying they tried it but didn't like where their hand position got to, I wonder why! Lol. Too much radial action I'm sure. 

 

100% recommend the Prosendr especially for remote students, coming from a teaching professional in FL

[fjk]

Finally got mine. It's more effective than the skeptics might think but it's also underwhelming compared to how it's portrayed.

 

I think all of the YT videos showing the pros use it are just one off videos where the pros are doing Foley or someone a favor to try it out, but that might be obvious to most.

 

Negatives first:

 

It's not super comfortable, not horrible, but since its one size, it obviously will fit most people imperfectly. It's definitely bulkier feeling than ideal. I think the bulkier the aid, the harder it is to translate to your swing when it's removed. The cradle feedback is nice, but the large wrist strap is distracting (but necessary). It doesn't fit super securely because the wrist strap isnt that elastic, but its not loose either. It's fine, and it serves its purpose adequately.

 

My hand/wrist size is average to slightly above average, I will wear a M/L glove most typically. Wrist size is like 7-7.25".

 

Positives next: 

Gives you some external proprioceptive feedback to the position you want to be in. The cradle is sturdy and the memory foam or whatever material i think is comfortable. It won't fit the back of your hand perfectly because it's one size fits all, but it does what it needs to do (directs your right hand extension on the correct angle/vector, limits some radial deviation due to a reminder/contour of the cradle) to give you feedback on where to put your wrist. The cradle isnt as extended as my right hand could go, which was a surprise. It's not THAT extended. But, because its not rigidly affixed to your forearm/wrist, it encourages you to extend your right hand and push against it.

 

What it's helped me with:

1. Find the correct way to set at P2 (turn vs tilt and sequence) For me, I naturally roll it inside. Foley encourage the user to set the wrist into the cradle "as early as possible." So at P2, I would naturally have the clubhead inside doing this move. In order to correct that and have shaft parallel to target line/even with hands or outside hands, I realized I need to tilt differently and almost pronate my right forearm to keep the clubhead in the correct spot while also extending the right wrist.

 

2. Helped me go from that P2 position to the top - normally I would have rolled it inside already so its just a lift to get up. But from this right wrist extended position to get to "waiter's tray" P4, I intuitively externally rotate right shoudler/tuck right elbow under as club goes up and gets set. Rory in his video talks about left arm going up the chest - that happens for me with right arm setting and elbow going under.

 

My hands end up somewhat higher than before and less across the line. Better positioned to shallow the clubhead from there and sequence with the turn.

 

3. Helped me understand from P4 to P6 what path the clubhead takes (and the associated feels) to get to clubhead even or inside at P6. My tendency at the top is to spin out with the shoulders and then have to re-route the clubhead. This helped me understand where I was out of sync to keep the clubhead moving on the correct path with the right wrist extended.

 

I've always known to extend the right wrist, or tried to work on it, but when, in what direction, for how much and how long weren't clear. The prosendr doesnt do all of this for you, but it does give you external feedback on where you are at each point.

 

I actually watched the videos before receiving it and implemented a lot of the above without the device. Basically focusing on keeping right wrist extended P2 to P6/P7, which helped with my transition and path (even though I always thought about doing this, I focused on less radial deviation and just pure extension this time). Thought about returning it or canceling it. Now that it's arrived, I feel like you can do 70-90% of what its trying to help you with on your own. Depends on your own athleticism. On my own, I wouldn't be extended in the correct position at all points in the swing bc at any speed I wouldn't have great proprioception. But if you need help, even if it's just a little bit, then the prosendr will help you get there. It'll give you an external reference on where you should be.

 

I think it will help some people a lot and help others only a little. But I don't think you'll get everything that it can help you with on your own, unless your swing is already $$$.

 

Seems like many people have already arrived at this conclusion - $200 shipped is steep for what it does. It's somewhat underwhelming in its execution/implementation and what it can help you with. But it DOES do that one part reliably. I've bought worse training aids (for less money) but I think this one is easy enough to put back on, revisit, use as a reminder, tune up, etc.

 

No thoughts on the ball, at this point.

Edited July 31, 2023 by fjk

[aramirez24]

Thanks for the thorough review @fjk. It seems like a good tool to solidify the right wrist extension we all understand most good players have. I like what you said about implementing the videos instruction prior to getting the ProSendr I've been doing the same thing with good results.  Looking forward to giving it a try to at least get the feedback that I'm setting the right wrist in a good spot. Like any training aid as long as you use it as a supplement and don't expect it fix your swing for you it can be useful. I made that mistake with Planemate. 

[manima1]

On 7/31/2023 at 3:47 PM, fjk said:

Foley encourage the user to set the wrist into the cradle "as early as possible."

 

I have one as well and for me the above advice from Foley was no-bueno.  Forces the club path too inside and that early wrist set is just unnatural to me - particularly with driver.  The ideal takeaway that I've had success with is keeping the club in front of you as you turn back - and getting the wrist set into the cradle that early is counter to that swing thought.

 

Instead, I focus on ensuring the wrist is set in the cradle at the top of the swing, and maintained as long as possible in the downswing.  Since I've adopted that process, using this aid at the range has really started to show results.  You can get into the correct position at the top and just let it rip (so long as you maintain the contact / angle).

[fjk]

47 minutes ago, manima1 said:

 

I have one as well and for me the above advice from Foley was no-bueno.  Forces the club path too inside and that early wrist set is just unnatural to me - particularly with driver.  The ideal takeaway that I've had success with is keeping the club in front of you as you turn back - and getting the wrist set into the cradle that early is counter to that swing thought.

 

Instead, I focus on ensuring the wrist is set in the cradle at the top of the swing, and maintained as long as possible in the downswing.  Since I've adopted that process, using this aid at the range has really started to show results.  You can get into the correct position at the top and just let it rip (so long as you maintain the contact / angle).

Agree - top is what matters. 
 

also agree - setting into the cradle can cause it to rotate inside, but it doesn’t have to. 
 

I think a lot of us marry right wrist extension with supination. But you can extend without the club rotating back - just face rotating closed. I almost feel like I am pronating going back to p2 bc it’s a different feel than my normal. 

[Liveonce]

48 minutes ago, manima1 said:

 

I have one as well and for me the above advice from Foley was no-bueno.  Forces the club path too inside and that early wrist set is just unnatural to me - particularly with driver.  The ideal takeaway that I've had success with is keeping the club in front of you as you turn back - and getting the wrist set into the cradle that early is counter to that swing thought.

 

Instead, I focus on ensuring the wrist is set in the cradle at the top of the swing, and maintained as long as possible in the downswing.  Since I've adopted that process, using this aid at the range has really started to show results.  You can get into the correct position at the top and just let it rip (so long as you maintain the contact / angle).

I do this as well. Have used one time on range prior to round since I received it and shot a career low. Not sure if there is correlation or not, but going to continue to use it. Was on the fence about getting one but definitely glad that I did—better than any other aid I’ve used thus far and I’ve used a lot. Will add some more color soon

[fjk]

4 minutes ago, fjk said:

Agree - top is what matters. 
 

also agree - setting into the cradle can cause it to rotate inside, but it doesn’t have to. 
 

I think a lot of us marry right wrist extension with supination. But you can extend without the club rotating back - just face rotating closed. I almost feel like I am pronating going back to p2 bc it’s a different feel than my normal. 

Also, even though it’s the top that matters, for me working on extending right wrist into cradle before p2 and NOT whipping it inside is important because:

 

when I am at full speed, trying to get into the cradle at the top I will start whipping it inside before p2 as my usual move goes. So me working on staying neutral/“on plane” before p2 while still extending the right wrist into the cradle is important to separate that move from going inside early. 
 

I no longer mix right wrist extension with supination/external rotation (rolling it inside) in my feels. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by fjk

[PracticeSwinger]

42 minutes ago, fjk said:

Also, even though it’s the top that matters, for me working on extending right wrist into cradle before p2 and NOT whipping it inside is important because:

 

when I am at full speed, trying to get into the cradle at the top I will start whipping it inside before p2 as my usual move goes. So me working on staying neutral/“on plane” before p2 while still extending the right wrist into the cradle is important to separate that move from going inside early. 
 

I no longer mix right wrist extension with supination/external rotation (rolling it inside) in my feels. 

Excellent review of the product, thanks! Not related to the ProSendr and just a general thought, I think what you're saying is crucial : ultimately it's P4 that is important and how it translate after, but I think a lot of amateurs make the false assumption that : I'll just whip it inside, lift my arms up and make sure my trail wrist is extended and not radial getting to P4 - while doing this inevitably, by sheer momentum, sends the COM of the club across the line and forces you to go radial at P4 to stop it. Too long of a backswing, and thus messes up your sequence (and/or puts lots of timely moves to make it work). From what it seems, the ProSendr looks to adress that, my 2 cents

[PickItUpGolf]

1 hour ago, manima1 said:

 

I have one as well and for me the above advice from Foley was no-bueno.  Forces the club path too inside and that early wrist set is just unnatural to me - particularly with driver.  The ideal takeaway that I've had success with is keeping the club in front of you as you turn back - and getting the wrist set into the cradle that early is counter to that swing thought.

 

Instead, I focus on ensuring the wrist is set in the cradle at the top of the swing, and maintained as long as possible in the downswing.  Since I've adopted that process, using this aid at the range has really started to show results.  You can get into the correct position at the top and just let it rip (so long as you maintain the contact / angle).

I'll have to try this myself.

 

Trying to set it early as possible is exactly what I was doing, and it wasn't working

[fjk]

42 minutes ago, PickItUpGolf said:

I'll have to try this myself.

 

Trying to set it early as possible is exactly what I was doing, and it wasn't working

If you want, try doing it but pausing at p2 with club shaft parallel or outside hands. You’ll have to figure out how to turn/tilt without having rolled it inside. 

[manima1]

1 hour ago, fjk said:

Agree - top is what matters. 
 

also agree - setting into the cradle can cause it to rotate inside, but it doesn’t have to. 
 

I think a lot of us marry right wrist extension with supination. But you can extend without the club rotating back - just face rotating closed. I almost feel like I am pronating going back to p2 bc it’s a different feel than my normal. 

 

Ah yes, good point you could close face to achieve.  Still - feels unnatural and I'm not sure it would be particularly effective for me to create depth in backswing.

 

It's just counter to the backswing checks I've learned and when I tried to do it Foley's way I had horrible results.  I'm sure I just wasn't doing it right but setting it at the top following my normal backswing protocol seems to be working!!

[fjk]

7 minutes ago, manima1 said:

 

Ah yes, good point you could close face to achieve.  Still - feels unnatural and I'm not sure it would be particularly effective for me to create depth in backswing.

 

It's just counter to the backswing checks I've learned and when I tried to do it Foley's way I had horrible results.  I'm sure I just wasn't doing it right but setting it at the top following my normal backswing protocol seems to be working!!

Certainly, whatever works for you is what is the "right" way! Hope it continues to help.

[PickItUpGolf]

I've put mine up for sale locally, if it doesn't sell within a week I'll put it up here too.

 

[iacas]

I joked with a friend who had a ProSENDR that I needed one for my left wrist, because my FEEL (which has more than a dash of reality) is that I need to CURL the right wrist (I'm a righty) and keep the cupping in the left wrist the entire backswing and into early transition.

 

So, basically, I need the AmRECVR or something.

[tdeutmeyer]

I may have to give this a try.  I still have a Norman Secret in my bag that I break out whenever my ball striking goes bad.  I never did like the band around the finger on the Secret though, so the Prosendr would be better with that.  The price though....

[Mikee_j]

Looks similar to what the Hanger training aid does for double the price. Any pros or cons over the hanger?

[fjk]

7 hours ago, Mikee_j said:

Looks similar to what the Hanger training aid does for double the price. Any pros or cons over the hanger?

if you desire a right hand feel/feedback

more precise* positions your right wrist extension (if you think that’s important)

Easier to put on and off? Maybe?

can be used without a club to work on the right wrist positions/motions

Edited August 3, 2023 by fjk
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[Giocatore4]

I am a believer. Didn’t realize how much of a cupper that I was. Now backswing is in perfect position. Still need to work on transition being too quick, but have been striking the ball better than ever after about 2 weeks of work. Also simplifies the swing thoughts.  Highly recommended. 

[me05501]

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[leejohnkieh]

On 7/23/2023 at 2:07 PM, LowAndLeft32 said:

Okay now that some of you have had the ProSENDER for a while, how about some more longer term reviews. Most import has it lead to consistent lower scores on the course. In my opinion that is the best way to judge the effectiveness of an aid. Thoughts?

 

I've had the ProSENDR since the first batch was sent out.  It's improved my ball striking with irons tenfold. Driver swing has been hit or miss.  I had been searching for something to give me the feels i needed for wrist conditions and this gave me that.  I was a rolling with a 4 HI that i could occasionally shoot even or under par to now a pretty consistent 1 HI.  Its not for everyone but if you struggle with bad wrist conditions this is game changing.

[leejohnkieh]

Here's a few photos from about 2 months ago when getting a lesson with the ProSENDR on.  Gets my wrists more flat and no cupping at the top. I had issues over hinging as well. If you watch the recent video Trottie does with David Woods, they talk about what the difference a pro is looking to use this for vs the 15 handicapper. 

[zenRT8]

The "free" ProSendr, the ProSendr you can use on the course as a practice swing, in the middle of a round, is the mini cross-handed swing to impact as explained by Pete Cowen in this video (4:20- 8:20). It took my index from 9 to scratch in a matter of months. Miraculous. 

 

[Pomps]

How is everyone’s fitting? Mine arrived yesterday and it seems to fit but it’s not as snug as I would have thought. During my swing it seems to rotate. Yes I’ve tried tightening the strap. Also, how far up the back of the hand does everyone’s go? I imagine with various hand sizes and finger lengths but only one size Prosendr, this could lead to different results.

[GungHoGolf]

10 hours ago, zenRT8 said:

The "free" ProSendr, the ProSendr you can use on the course as a practice swing, in the middle of a round, is the mini cross-handed swing to impact as explained by Pete Cowen in this video (4:20- 8:20). It took my index from 9 to scratch in a matter of months. Miraculous. 

 

 

9 to scratch in months?

[fjk]

1 hour ago, Pomps said:

How is everyone’s fitting? Mine arrived yesterday and it seems to fit but it’s not as snug as I would have thought. During my swing it seems to rotate. Yes I’ve tried tightening the strap. Also, how far up the back of the hand does everyone’s go? I imagine with various hand sizes and finger lengths but only one size Prosendr, this could lead to different results.

It’s not super snug but doesn’t rotate. I extend back with a slightly open hand when I put it on to find the correct spot up and down with my knuckles resting I a good spot, also taking care not to have rotated my forearm/wrist at all. 
 

maybe it rotates due to some of the moves you’re making? Try smaller and slower movements first?

[harveythomas]

I agree with an earlier poster that says you only get it in the cradle at the top otherwise it creates excessive extension at the end of takeaway which can then cause problems with how the shoulder works.  
 

Mark Bull the bio mechanics expert does a good piece on how the right arm works in the swing and the Cowen video linked above is also good.  
 

It’s also worth noting that pro sendr alone may not fix a faulty pivot/poor use of ground forces.  So although I think I like it I noticed my pivot went off in recent rounds so the pro sendr didn’t stop that.  
 

This game is so frustrating.  
 

 

[Duffer Mark]

Mine still fits too tight. Have to stretch it open to get it around my 9” wrist. I also got an extra, wide piece of Velcro from home depot so I can secure it on my wrist. My hand is wider than the Prosendr so I’m not sure where exactly to put it. Maybe that’s why I have trouble getting the compression ball in the right spot. 

[Pomps]

2 hours ago, fjk said:

It’s not super snug but doesn’t rotate. I extend back with a slightly open hand when I put it on to find the correct spot up and down with my knuckles resting I a good spot, also taking care not to have rotated my forearm/wrist at all. 
 

maybe it rotates due to some of the moves you’re making? Try smaller and slower movements first?

Thanks for the feedback. I tried setting it closer to the hand further from the hand shifting it all around and even very very small chip shots, Can’t get my hand into the cradle especially where they say your index finger is supposed to be in that little lip. I can get it there when I don’t have a cold in my hand but when I grip a club my finger doesn’t get anywhere close to that lip. 

[fjk]

1 hour ago, Pomps said:

Thanks for the feedback. I tried setting it closer to the hand further from the hand shifting it all around and even very very small chip shots, Can’t get my hand into the cradle especially where they say your index finger is supposed to be in that little lip. I can get it there when I don’t have a cold in my hand but when I grip a club my finger doesn’t get anywhere close to that lip. 

The lip for me is only to prevent it from going too radial (thumbs up). I don’t really worry about feeling it otherwise.