Highest ball speed/impact ratio

[nosil]

My biggest struggle with putting is that I leave putts short.  I know I can just make a bigger swing, but I mostly feel like I am making a giant swing and still ending up short.   Found some articles that talked about the different impact ratio (smash factor for putters) for some putters but it was from 2018.   Looking for some input on what putters you consider to have the highest ball speeds off the face.  IMO, the current PLD Anser seems pretty hot; which could be the putter or could be the stock graphite shaft.  

[Rosco1216]

I am deep down really hoping this is a joke and I just got trolled. 

[MattM97]

If you're constantly leaving putts short either you have too much loft on your putter and putting backspin on the ball or you're hitting the ball into the ground and killing all energy. Go get a lesson or fitting to see if these are the issues and a simple correction could be all you need.

 

If you don't want to do that then something like a Spider EX which had a very "hot" insert could be an options or if you don't like inserts a smooth faced milled putter. 

 

But do the first option cause that sounds like the issue honestly. 

[nosil]

Just now, Rosco1216 said:

I am deep down really hoping this is a joke and I just got trolled. 

Why?  We worry about smash factor with our other clubs.  Here is the article I was referring too:   https://www.paulhurrion.com/media/impact-ratio/

 

I also recall a discussion with Sean Toulon where he discussed getting Tiger to try one of his putters and Tigers response was that it was nice but it rolls the ball too far.  

maybe it isn’t something you care about; f so, you can easily just move on to another topic.  

 

[Phabs]

18 minutes ago, nosil said:

Why?  We worry about smash factor with our other clubs.  Here is the article I was referring too:   https://www.paulhurrion.com/media/impact-ratio/

 

I also recall a discussion with Sean Toulon where he discussed getting Tiger to try one of his putters and Tigers response was that it was nice but it rolls the ball too far.  

maybe it isn’t something you care about; f so, you can easily just move on to another topic.  

 

That's just tiger telling Toulon to piss off kindly.   Get your putter fitted to your stroke and you won't have to worry about the 'smash factor' 

[Rosco1216]

19 minutes ago, nosil said:

Why?  We worry about smash factor with our other clubs.  Here is the article I was referring too:   https://www.paulhurrion.com/media/impact-ratio/

 

I also recall a discussion with Sean Toulon where he discussed getting Tiger to try one of his putters and Tigers response was that it was nice but it rolls the ball too far.  

maybe it isn’t something you care about; f so, you can easily just move on to another topic.  

 

Smash factor with other clubs are different and Tiger saying that is simply that the ball rolls further than he wants it to given the stroke he puts on it.
 

I’m just saying “hot” putters are not a thing. Hitting a putt solid with the correct amount of loft to get the ball rolling quickly and consistently is. 

[nosil]

24 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

If you're constantly leaving putts short either you have too much loft on your putter and putting backspin on the ball or you're hitting the ball into the ground and killing all energy. Go get a lesson or fitting to see if these are the issues and a simple correction could be all you need.

 

If you don't want to do that then something like a Spider EX which had a very "hot" insert could be an options or if you don't like inserts a smooth faced milled putter. 

 

But do the first option cause that sounds like the issue honestly. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Phabs said:

Get your putter fitted to your stroke and you won't have to worry about the 'smash factor' 

 

Had lessons last year and stroke was fine.  Been a while since I had a fitting but at that time my putter was fine from a launch perspective…maybe stroke changed or putter got “bent”.  

 

If I had asked about insert vs milled distance control,   I would get responses on why one is better than another or options to try; why not this question?  The ball comes off the putter at different speeds and feel influences how fast of a stroke I make which result is more or less distance.  If it is simply putter fit as is being stated in the response, that should be the default answer for insert vs. milled. 
 

 Simply read an article and wanted to get some input on what putter you thought had the hottest face.  
 

 

[getitdaily]

From toying around with a lotnof stuff...

 

TM and every version of their true roll insert has a low smash factor. 

 

Putters with rear CoG have a low smash.

 

Milled face have higher smash than most inserts. 

 

Iirc, the Cobra Putters are fairly high smash.

 

Evnroll...Ball comes off like the face is spring loaded.

Edited May 1, 2023 by getitdaily

[MattM97]

15 minutes ago, nosil said:

 

 

 

Had lessons last year and stroke was fine.  Been a while since I had a fitting but at that time my putter was fine from a launch perspective…maybe stroke changed or putter got “bent”.  

 

If I had asked about insert vs milled distance control,   I would get responses on why one is better than another or options to try; why not this question?  The ball comes off the putter at different speeds and feel influences how fast of a stroke I make which result is more or less distance.  If it is simply putter fit as is being stated in the response, that should be the default answer for insert vs. milled. 
 

 Simply read an article and wanted to get some input on what putter you thought had the hottest face.  
 

 

 

You asked for hotter putters and I gave you 2 answers to that question you had. Heavier putters will also come off faster as there is just more mass behind the ball instead of a 340g putter.

 

The fitting/lesson part is a simple check/fix solution that many overlook and would rather try endless club options that create the same problem as they did before. 

[ChipStrokes]

my putter seems to roll the ball 9-10 feet every time i have a 5 footer for par. 

 

does that count?

[puresurfr]

2 hours ago, Rosco1216 said:

Smash factor with other clubs are different and Tiger saying that is simply that the ball rolls further than he wants it to given the stroke he puts on it.
 

I’m just saying “hot” putters are not a thing. Hitting a putt solid with the correct amount of loft to get the ball rolling quickly and consistently is. 

 

 

If u lift your left heel up on your takeaway and then stomp it down as u accelerate to the ball u can gain a bit more distance, your smash # may decrease more but the added swing speed should be adequate to make up for this loss of efficiency !  Im pretty sure COR is not regulated on putters and u can easily find a putter with a very hot face

[Ghostwedge]

OP, I wouldn't go down that rabbit hole. Find a putter you LOVE and go with it.

If your consistently leaving.putts short, that's operator error. 

[getitdaily]

2 hours ago, nosil said:

Why?  We worry about smash factor with our other clubs.  Here is the article I was referring too:   https://www.paulhurrion.com/media/impact-ratio/

 

I also recall a discussion with Sean Toulon where he discussed getting Tiger to try one of his putters and Tigers response was that it was nice but it rolls the ball too far.  

maybe it isn’t something you care about; f so, you can easily just move on to another topic.  

 

Hurrion has an article/ study where he evaluated CoG locations and measured all kinds of data. Look.at that and you'll get an idea of what produces higher impact ratio.

[mjo23]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

From toying around with a lotnof stuff...

 

TM and every version of their true roll insert has a low smash factor. 

 

Putters with rear CoG have a low smash.

 

Milled face have higher smash than most inserts. 

 

Iirc, the Cobra Putters are fairly high smash.

 

Evnroll...Ball comes off like the face is spring loaded.

Umm..that’s false regarding Evnroll, they have one of the slowest faces on the market. It’s inherent with their milling pattern tech.

[MattM97]

1 hour ago, mjo23 said:

Umm..that’s false regarding Evnroll, they have one of the slowest faces on the market. It’s inherent with their milling pattern tech.

 

Unless you miss the center then plenty hot.

[mjo23]

10 minutes ago, MattM97 said:

 

Unless you miss the center then plenty hot.

Yep lol. I know the tech is legit and many people swear by it. But making the sweet spot extra slow to ‘reduce dispersion’ on off-center hits feels a bit gimmicky.

 

Might be why we never/rarely see Evnroll on Tour?

[MattM97]

Just now, mjo23 said:

Yep lol. I know the tech is legit and many people swear by it. But making the sweet spot extra slow to ‘reduce dispersion’ on off-center hits feels a bit gimmicky.

 

Might be why we never/rarely see Evnroll on Tour?

 

Probably cause most pros don't miss the center often so why would they want to use a slow putter? Also doesn't help Evnroll they don't really have much incentive for players when most can just walk over to the Scotty, Bettinardi, Ping, etc rep and get a putter made for them. 

[North Butte]

Why not just use the putter you have now and hit it a little harder?

[nosil]

2 hours ago, Ghostwedge said:

OP, I wouldn't go down that rabbit hole.  

 

But rabbit holes are fun and possibly educational.  

[Trippels]

Serious answer to a silly question:

 

Lighter & longer shaft, heavier head, harder ball.

 

Mizuno M craft OMOI type 3 35" with the heaviest weights installed and Titeist ProV1X left dash.

 

You'll hit your putts so hard the hole will move.

[Brobespierre]

This aspect of fitting putters is tough right now with limited access to Quintic. 

 

Most places just have SAM Lab and it’s much harder to eye ball diagnose a tendency in a putter roll as opposed to an iron’s ball flight.

I think a quintic fitting might answer a lot of these questions. But you may not have access to one. I certainly do not.

 

The answers provided though are generally correct. All things being equal, the heavier milled putter will likely produce more raw ball speed than an insert putter. But that does not account for strike location, skid, top spin, or other factors that may be specific to your personal patterns.

 

It is funny to read some WRX’ers act like putter smash factor is voodoo when we are all buying velocore shafts for our drivers though.

 

 

 

 

 

[Inexorable_Fate]

How far are your putts???

[getitdaily]

1 hour ago, nosil said:

 

But rabbit holes are fun and possibly educational.  

And expensive....

[nosil]

2 hours ago, Inexorable_Fate said:

How far are your putts???

 

139 feet

 

[mjo23]

16 hours ago, nosil said:

 

139 feet

 

While we’re probably overthinking things here, I believe what you’re looking for is a heavy putter-head (ball speed) with forward CG (impact ratio). Odyssey’s TriHot5k’s, Toulon (2022 models), Cleveland’s Frontline, and Ping’s 2023 multi-material lineup would fit the bill

 

 

[Phabs]

I had to make sure I was in the putter forum with the title again. 

[rybo]

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[rybo]

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