Uneven Tee Box

[kkennedy]

If you get to the box and the tee markers are unequal, are you required to tee off from behind the one that is furthest back?

[Mr. Bean]

11 minutes ago, kkennedy said:

If you get to the box and the tee markers are unequal, are you required to tee off from behind the one that is furthest back?

 

Not sure what you mean by unequal but the Teeing Area is formed by a straight line between the tee markers and 2 club-lengths back from there forming a rectangular and you need to tee off from within that rectangular. Placing of the markers do not need to satisfy every player's visual preferences...

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Mr. Bean

[bcjim]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Not sure what you mean by unequal but the Teeing Area is formed by a straight line between the tee markers and 2 club-lengths back from there forming a rectangular and you need to tee off from within that rectangular. Placing of the markers do not need to satisfy every player's visual preferences...

 

Agree.  But maybe the op means a case where an obvious error was made,  or more likely,  someone moved a marker .  If so. I would just move one or the other to a reasonable position and carry on. In a non tournament round of course. 

[Mr. Bean]

52 minutes ago, bcjim said:

Agree.  But maybe the op means a case where an obvious error was made,  or more likely,  someone moved a marker .  If so. I would just move one or the other to a reasonable position and carry on. In a non tournament round of course. 

 

Reasonable position..? How difficult is it to hit a ball from within a rectangular regardless of positioning of the tee markers?? I cannot imagine...

[nsxguy]

2 hours ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Reasonable position..? How difficult is it to hit a ball from within a rectangular regardless of positioning of the tee markers?? I cannot imagine...

 

For goodness' sake.

 

He's talking about THIS

 

[bcjim]

An irritated golfer may have kicked a marker.  A forgetful crewman may have not replaced a marker after mowing.  I have seen the occasional  inexplicable teeing ground.

 

 

[Mr. Bean]

24 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

For goodness' sake.

 

He's talking about THIS

 

 

And..?

 

The Teeing Area rectangular would be in a different position but the area of that rectangular would be precisesly the same. Thus I cannot envisage how a person could not fit their ball and their body within an area sufficient to make a tee shot.

 

I see absolutely no problem there. None. Nothing.

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Mr. Bean

[nsxguy]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

And..?

 

Now THAT'S an interesting question.

 

AND, it's the one the OP asked.

[Mr. Bean]

1 minute ago, nsxguy said:

 

Now THAT'S an interesting question.

 

AND, it's the one the OP asked.

 

No, he did not. We are on a different planet with this one. Again.

[Colin L]

1 hour ago, nsxguy said:

 

For goodness' sake.

 

He's talking about THIS

 

 

 

 He's actually talking about this, don't you think?  But hardly anything to fuss about.  Stick a ball on a tee in the right area and get on with it.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Colin L

[WasatchBogey]

10 minutes ago, Colin L said:

 

 

 He's actually talking about this, don't you think?  But hardly anything to fuss about.  Stick a ball on a tee in the right area and get on with it.

 

 

 

 

Can’t see your diagram, but in this case the tee area would be defined by a rectangle 2 club lengths deep with the forward edge a straight line between the 2 blue tee markers.

 

There is nothing that says the tee markers have to be squarely aligned with the tee box, or square to the direction of play. 

[WasatchBogey]

25 minutes ago, Colin L said:

 

 

 He's actually talking about this, don't you think?  But hardly anything to fuss about.  Stick a ball on a tee in the right area and get on with it.

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly!

[straightshot7]

Definitely call out a rules official in this case --- can never be too careful. 

[Mr. Bean]

22 minutes ago, straightshot7 said:

Definitely call out a rules official in this case --- can never be too careful. 

 

Yeah, no need to learn the rules.

[IndyArcher]

26 minutes ago, straightshot7 said:

Definitely call out a rules official in this case --- can never be too careful. 

 

I'd keep a laser measuring tape in the bag, too. Just in case! 

[IndyArcher]

1 hour ago, Colin L said:

 

 

 He's actually talking about this, don't you think?  But hardly anything to fuss about.  Stick a ball on a tee in the right area and get on with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That exactly what I thought the OP was describing. 

[Mr. Bean]

11 minutes ago, IndyArcher said:

 

That exactly what I thought the OP was describing. 

 

I am afraid you have got that wrong. OP actually asked "are you required to tee off from behind the one that is furthest back?"

 

So the picture Colin drew tells him that the answer to his question is "no". But we can speculate with the concept of "behind" and the answer depends on from which direction one is looking. My conception is that there is a rectangular and part of that rectangular is not "behind" the furthest tee-marker.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Mr. Bean

[Newby]

Whether or not the question was expressed clearly, the answer to the issue of incorrectly aligned tee markers is that they cannot be moved in a competition without the permission of a referee.

Colin's diagram shows just where the player must play from when they are misaligned..

Edited May 7, 2023 by Newby

[kkennedy]

2 hours ago, nsxguy said:

 

For goodness' sake.

 

He's talking about THIS

 

This is exactly the scenario I'm talking about, probably didn't describe it well in the original post 

[Mr. Bean]

6 minutes ago, kkennedy said:

This is exactly the scenario I'm talking about, probably didn't describe it well in the original post 

 

And I am happy to say that is exactly I answered to. The tee-markers do not have to be aligned perpendicularly to the direction of play, there is always the rectangular to play from.

[Greenie]

I played yesterday and the tees we played from had both the markers stuck side by side. They had other tee markers spread on the same tee box so we didn't understand why only the one color tee markers were like that. What does that mean? How do you proceed? We could tell the tee boxes looked mowed and thought that was the reason but the other markers were spread on all tee boxes including the boxes that shared the tees we play.

[Shilgy]

As poorly worded as it was I thought the op was referred to egregiously misplaced tee markers.  Like the two blue markers, for example, have one marker on one tee box and one on another.  Or even on the same box but just misaligned not even near to square.  And by “not even near” I’m not referring to the diagram above I mean yards apart.  I would guess in a competition the answer then is to call a rules official or at the club level(non comp round) just pick one and go.

[nsxguy]

3 hours ago, Colin L said:

 

 

 He's actually talking about this, don't you think?  But hardly anything to fuss about.  Stick a ball on a tee in the right area and get on with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope.

 

The OP confirmed I drew exactly what he meant; which, of course Beanie, the guy from another planet, took issue with (so what ELSE is new ? ).

 

As for your drawing, I agree that's where the tee box, in the drawing I posted, and in the question the OP was really "asking" about, actually IS. 👍

[bellview17v2]

Declare yourself the Committee and straighten them out and continue playing.

[ChipStrokes]

9 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

Nope.

 

The OP confirmed I drew exactly what he meant; which, of course Beanie, the guy from another planet, took issue with (so what ELSE is new ? ).

 

As for your drawing, I agree that's where the tee box, in the drawing I posted, and in the question the OP was really "asking" about, actually IS. 👍

beanbot didn’t compute 

[nsxguy]

1 hour ago, Newby said:

Whether or not the question was expressed clearly, the answer to the issue of incorrectly aligned tee markers is that they cannot be moved in a competition without the permission of a referee.

Colin's diagram shows just where the player must play from when they are misaligned..

 

So now that we all seem to agree on where that tee area is, let me ask.

 

Players come to that tee. One of the markers is on its side, clearly not in its original position. Either a spiked marker where the spike is horizontal and out of the ground, or a tee marker meant to be upright no longer is.

 

Now in casual play I'm relatively sure the first player to see it would simply replace it, if he could see where is was uprooted from, OR would place it upright again aligning the tee area with the direction of play.

 

May I assume that given your post, in a high level comp the players are required to seek out an official before playing ?

 

And would it make a difference if there was clearly a spot where a spiked marker was kicked out of, you know, obviously "dug up" ? Or a nice sized easily recognized impression in the grass where the knocked tee marker was ? Would the player(s) then be able to simply replace the marker ?

 

TIA

 

[rogolf]

13 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

So now that we all seem to agree on where that tee area is, let me ask.

 

Players come to that tee. One of the markers is on its side, clearly not in its original position. Either a spiked marker where the spike is horizontal and out of the ground, or a tee marker meant to be upright no longer is.

 

Now in casual play I'm relatively sure the first player to see it would simply replace it, if he could see where is was uprooted from, OR would place it upright again aligning the tee area with the direction of play.

 

May I assume that given your post, in a high level comp the players are required to seek out an official before playing ?

 

And would it make a difference if there was clearly a spot where a spiked marker was kicked out of, you know, obviously "dug up" ? Or a nice sized easily recognized impression in the grass where the knocked tee marker was ? Would the player(s) then be able to simply replace the marker ?

 

TIA

 

The careful player would always ask for an official. In “high level” amateur or professional events, the official that set the tee markers would most likely have “dotted” the positions with paint. 

[straightshot7]

2 hours ago, Mr. Bean said:

 

Yeah, no need to learn the rules.

Yeah, I’m just joking because the pros always call in officials.

 

I don’t think most of us have that luxury. 

[Newby]

1 hour ago, nsxguy said:

May I assume that given your post, in a high level comp the players are required to seek out an official before playing ?

 

As rogolf says.

 

Unless each group is accompanied by a referee, at all events I work at least one player in each group will have a phone and if a referee isn't immediately available they can call the TD and a ref will get to them in a minute or so.

[bladehunter]

I actually saw this happen in a USga mid am qualifier.  
 

 

a par 5 was to use the rear tee box of an opposing par 4 as a pushed back tee. When my group got to that hole immediately noticed that one marker was on the box the hard card specified. And the other was on the rear box of the actual hole.  The normal rear box.  I called the pro shop to get an official and refused to play until one came.  And I did so because the group in front of us had played from the incorrect box according to the hard card.  When the official got  there he was not pleased that I called him out.  Not really ugly. Just short.  And stated “ the hard card says where to play from “.  To which I replied “ and the rectangle made by these two markers is 40 yards wide.   So I can tee it up here “. Pointing to where I was standing in between the two boxes online with the two markers ( one on each box ). This was a joint tee box. Shaped like a square cornered S . One hole went one way,  The other the other way.  So technically to me one large teeing area for two hole. - He says “ no “ loudly as he moves the incorrect marker over to the correct box.  .  The next part got muddy. 
 

I then said. “ well. The group in front of us did.  And they were inside the rectangle created by those two markers. I saw the last player pick up his tee “ .  This ticked him off.  I don’t know exactly why I shouldn’t have called. But I let it be.  
 

They were DQed I believe. Because the hard card designated which teeing area the tee markers would be on.