weight at the top

[Louis_Posture]

When you've completed your backswing do you sense-feel  that your right leg is supporting your weight ?

[dsmil]

No, I want my lead leg supporting my weight at that point.

[Louis_Posture]

32 minutes ago, dsmil said:

No, I want my lead leg supporting my weight at that point.

You swing with no body weight transfer ?

[MonteScheinblum]

If your trail leg is supporting your weight, you’re too far into that side.

 

[Louis_Posture]

12 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

If your trail leg is supporting your weight, you’re too far into that side.

 

Colin Montgomery seems to initiate his swing takeaway with a bit of a lateral hip slide (to get his body weight to his right leg).I believe Mark O'Meara does something similar.

[Zitlow]

 

Snead had a forward press and stepped onto his right foot. His right knee extended not locked and his weight is supported and balanced on his foot, leg and hip at the top and on his left foot, leg and hip at the finish.

 

 

Just like walking but instead of stepping forward he stepped sideways to the left (forward press) rebounded to the right and then back to the left. 

[b.mattay]

Lead leg is supporting more weight. There are two pressure shifts in the backswing-a pressure shift to the trail side until the hands are somewhere between hip high to rib armpit high, and then a second pressure shift back to the lead side. You will not find a single scratch or better golfer who doesn't do this. 

Edited September 18, 2023 by b.mattay

[MonteScheinblum]

45 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

Colin Montgomery seems to initiate his swing takeaway with a bit of a lateral hip slide (to get his body weight to his right leg).I believe Mark O'Meara does something similar.

Don’t look for outliers and they moved back to the left as they approach the top

[getitdaily]

 

 

[Haber]

34 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

 

Snead had a forward press and stepped onto his right foot. His right knee extended not locked and his weight is supported and balanced on his foot, leg and hip at the top and on his left foot, leg and hip at the finish.

 

 

Just like walking but instead of stepping forward he stepped sideways to the left (forward press) rebounded to the right and then back to the left. 

Any references to a player in this century perhaps? 

[Louis_Posture]

35 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

 

Snead had a forward press and stepped onto his right foot. His right knee extended not locked and his weight is supported and balanced on his foot, leg and hip at the top and on his left foot, leg and hip at the finish.

 

 

Just like walking but instead of stepping forward he stepped sideways to the left (forward press) rebounded to the right and then back to the left. 

Thanks for posting the photo. It looks to me like at the top of his backswing Snead's right leg is supporting most of his body weight.

[Zitlow]

18 minutes ago, Haber said:

Any references to a player in this century perhaps? 

 

[dsmil]

3 hours ago, Louis_Posture said:

You swing with no body weight transfer ?

I’d recommend Power Shift by @MonteScheinblum

[MonteScheinblum]

3 hours ago, Louis_Posture said:

Thanks for posting the photo. It looks to me like at the top of his backswing Snead's right leg is supporting most of his body weight.

Perceptions of 2D stills have gotten golfers in trouble for 150 years.

 

As elite golfers approach the top, there is still a small percentage of more weight right then left, but it’s moving left.  Max right pressure for most is around left arm parallel or slightly later.

 

It’s been measured.  
 

Those that feel the right leg supporting at the top get 90+% of their pressure right and max it out at the top and it’s just not what elite players do.  I’ve had well over 100 people on my pressure mat of all skill levels and club head speeds.  The shorter higher handicap players are more right and for longer because they are trying to “shift weight” into their right side.

Edited September 18, 2023 by MonteScheinblum

[Louis_Posture]

20 hours ago, Zitlow said:

 

It looks to me as though Koepka's takeaway includes a bit of a lateral slide so that his right leg receives his body weight.

[bladehunter]

4 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

It looks to me as though Koepka's takeaway includes a bit of a lateral slide so that his right leg receives his body weight.

It does. 

[getitdaily]

14 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

It looks to me as though Koepka's takeaway includes a bit of a lateral slide so that his right leg receives his body weight.

Yep. And probably a key contributing factor when he starts getting the pulls...

[KD1]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw0asZhrOsY/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[wagolfer7]

22 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Yep. And probably a key contributing factor when he starts getting the pulls...

 

Lol.  It's funny when we critique some of the top golfers in the world.  I think his lateral shift is just fine.  And his 5 Major trophies probably agree with that.    

[getitdaily]

4 minutes ago, wagolfer7 said:

 

Lol.  It's funny when we critique some of the top golfers in the world.  I think his lateral shift is just fine.  And his 5 Major trophies probably agree with that.    

Except I didn't critique or suggest it was an issue. I said it's likely a contributing factor when he gets a case of the pulls...as he does. 

 

The later you are to the lead side (he's super late) the more lateral forces are used. This isn't a good/bad perspective, just a statement of forces at play. Late to lead side, huge lateral forces, easy for path to creep out and thr hands to take over more than they normally do.

 

He matches things up well, usually. But they all have their times when things get wonky...

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

It does. 

And he still goes back to the left at the top. His restricted hip turn makes that less pronounced and later.  Good players and long hitters have a shift right off the ball, but they are moving left at the top and not being supported on the right leg.  

Edited September 19, 2023 by MonteScheinblum

[wagolfer7]

13 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Except I didn't critique or suggest it was an issue. I said it's likely a contributing factor when he gets a case of the pulls...as he does. 

 

The later you are to the lead side (he's super late) the more lateral forces are used. This isn't a good/bad perspective, just a statement of forces at play. Late to lead side, huge lateral forces, easy for path to creep out and thr hands to take over more than they normally do.

 

He matches things up well, usually. But they all have their times when things get wonky...

 

What makes you say he gets to the lead side late?  

[getitdaily]

1 minute ago, wagolfer7 said:

 

What makes you say he gets to the lead side late?  

He is nearly at p4 before he starts shifting left. Compare him to Matt Fitzpatrick and dechambeau who are less lateral.

 

Late for koepka doesn't mean bad. It just means he shifts later than some others...primarily because he shifts off the ball a lot. Compare him to dj...dj doesn't shift off the ball much...less lateral, more rotational.

 

Colin morikawa is a big shifter, late shifter. Again, not bad, just how they use lateral/ rotational/vertical forces.

 

Fitzpatrick and dechambeau are hardly any lateral at all...big rotational and vertical guys.

[Simpsonia]

I'm a big fan of Dana's drill/feel of throwing the medicine ball back behind your shoulders as you fall backwards to get the rhythm of the recentering. Long video, but well worth it. 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDow8ZhD-pD/

 

 

[bladehunter]

33 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

And he still goes back to the left at the top. His restricted hip turn makes that less pronounced and later.  Good players and long hitters have a shift right off the ball, but they are moving left at the top and not being supported on the right leg.  

 

Oh I agree.  It’s usually in the communication of this though that we misunderstand.  For me at least …. If I think “ on my left before transition”. It’s absolutely going to be a reverse tilt over swing that’s mostly arms.  And maybe I’m odd ( hint. I am 🙃).  But if I think shift to trail at the start of the swing , I’ll move off the ball a hair and then as you said be back to the left just a split before the hands come down.  So it’s like a right step , a left step , then a push back right and up with the lead ( left ) leg. That’s exaggerating it for sure.  But that’s my “ feel “. And I absolutely agree that feel and real don’t intersect a lot. I just also know that if you told me to be off my right before I start down , id hang over on the left.  …. Because i used to do that and then slide way forward ahead of the ball. Which I can do because I’m very flexible.  Ive seen me so far out over my lead ankle at impact , it’s nuts. And I played to a +2 at my best.  And hover around +1 to 1 playing 3-4 times a month now. 
 

It’s just hard to generalize.  A 29 handicap who sways 6 inches off the balll needs to be told to stay put. But the guy who arm swings and stays on his lead leg mostly needs to be told to get back there and feel his lead foot unload.  My laypersons opinion of course.  And I sincerely mean that.  

[MonteScheinblum]

4 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Oh I agree.  It’s usually in the communication of this though that we misunderstand.  For me at least …. If I think “ on my left before transition”. It’s absolutely going to be a reverse tilt over swing that’s mostly arms.  And maybe I’m odd ( hint. I am 🙃).  But if I think shift to trail at the start of the swing , I’ll move off the ball a hair and then as you said be back to the left just a split before the hands come down.  So it’s like a right step , a left step , then a push back right and up with the lead ( left ) leg. That’s exaggerating it for sure.  But that’s my “ feel “. And I absolutely agree that feel and real don’t intersect a lot. I just also know that if you told me to be off my right before I start down , id hang over on the left.  …. Because i used to do that and then slide way forward ahead of the ball. Which I can do because I’m very flexible.  Ive seen me so far out over my lead ankle at impact , it’s nuts. And I played to a +2 at my best.  And hover around +1 to 1 playing 3-4 times a month now. 
 

It’s just hard to generalize.  A 29 handicap who sways 6 inches off the balll needs to be told to stay put. But the guy who arm swings and stays on his lead leg mostly needs to be told to get back there and feel his lead foot unload.  My laypersons opinion of course.  And I sincerely mean that.  

Yep.  Have to go right first then left.  

[getitdaily]

3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Oh I agree.  It’s usually in the communication of this though that we misunderstand.  For me at least …. If I think “ on my left before transition”. It’s absolutely going to be a reverse tilt over swing that’s mostly arms.  And maybe I’m odd ( hint. I am 🙃).  But if I think shift to trail at the start of the swing , I’ll move off the ball a hair and then as you said be back to the left just a split before the hands come down.  So it’s like a right step , a left step , then a push back right and up with the lead ( left ) leg. That’s exaggerating it for sure.  But that’s my “ feel “. And I absolutely agree that feel and real don’t intersect a lot. I just also know that if you told me to be off my right before I start down , id hang over on the left.  …. Because i used to do that and then slide way forward ahead of the ball. Which I can do because I’m very flexible.  Ive seen me so far out over my lead ankle at impact , it’s nuts. And I played to a +2 at my best.  And hover around +1 to 1 playing 3-4 times a month now. 
 

It’s just hard to generalize.  A 29 handicap who sways 6 inches off the balll needs to be told to stay put. But the guy who arm swings and stays on his lead leg mostly needs to be told to get back there and feel his lead foot unload.  My laypersons opinion of course.  And I sincerely mean that.  

You cannot go lead side early and then slide...that's a death move.

 

If you're going to be lead side earlier than transition then you have to go up and back (away from the target) early too. 

[virtuoso]

23 hours ago, Zitlow said:

 

Snead had a forward press and stepped onto his right foot. His right knee extended not locked and his weight is supported and balanced on his foot, leg and hip at the top and on his left foot, leg and hip at the finish.

 

 

Just like walking but instead of stepping forward he stepped sideways to the left (forward press) rebounded to the right and then back to the left. 

Well, he hangs out on his right side and then spins, hits the ball, and then pushes up onto his left leg very late which causes his left ankle to look like its about to snap off.......way different than Austin did it, and I prefer Austin.

Edited September 19, 2023 by virtuoso

[wagolfer7]

34 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

He is nearly at p4 before he starts shifting left. Compare him to Matt Fitzpatrick and dechambeau who are less lateral.

 

Late for koepka doesn't mean bad. It just means he shifts later than some others...primarily because he shifts off the ball a lot. Compare him to dj...dj doesn't shift off the ball much...less lateral, more rotational.

 

Colin morikawa is a big shifter, late shifter. Again, not bad, just how they use lateral/ rotational/vertical forces.

 

Fitzpatrick and dechambeau are hardly any lateral at all...big rotational and vertical guys.

 

I don't think he's late.  But anyway I'll walk away from this one.  

 

I don't think it can be simplified as much as this implies.  

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

You cannot go lead side early and then slide...that's a death move.

 

If you're going to be lead side earlier than transition then you have to go up and back (away from the target) early too. 

Yep. Exactly.