Hybrid questions?!?!?!

[sheppick.dan]

For those of you who have replaced your irons with hybrids, did you go loft for loft and see the same distance? Did you go to more loft on hybrid and still get the same distance?

 

curious as to what people have found. 

[OnTheBag]

I consider myself the king of hybrids.  At my age, the longest iron I carry is 7i (and could give it up in most instances).  To answer your question, it is roughly loft for loft, within a few degrees.  When my health lets me play often, I use traditionally lofted irons with a 35° 7i and 47° PW.  My 6h is a Ping G425 30° that I turned to the small + to hit the yardage window I needed.  Same type of minor adjustment on the 5h (G410) and 4h (G410).  The great thing about adjustable heads is the ability to buy a like for like replacement and then adjust to hit your gap.

 

All this is swing speed dependent.  If you are a high speed guy and talking about the very top of your bag (2h, etc..) then I'm no help.  For us slow to normal swing speed guys, what I said above is relevant.   

Edited March 27 by OnTheBag

[Binson]

Do not go with just loft for how to transition from your irons to hybrids, hybrids to fairways, or fairways to Driver. 

You really need to test for gapping and landing angle. 

[Flyers99]

My experience is the hybrids go noticeably farther then the same lofted iron.  The hybrid is going to be longer and graphite (lighter) most likely .  So depending on your iron shafts if they are graphite that may be a wash. I have a 24 degree 5 iron and a 23 degree hybrid and that is a good gap for me.  I had a 21 degree hybrid and it was too big a gap. 

[sheppick.dan]

Im looking to replace my 4 iron and looking at a 3 iron. I just don’t play enough to really hit them solid all the time. 5 iron goes about 205, 7 wood goes 235-245 so a 30 yard gap is pretty big

[MongoSmash]

Paradym Super Hybrid

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

2 hours ago, Flyers99 said:

My experience is the hybrids go noticeably farther then the same lofted iron.  The hybrid is going to be longer and graphite (lighter) most likely.

The length is a big one.  My 4H is 40.5".  The 3-iron it supplanted was only 39" in steel.  Now, the hybrid is +0.5", and the irons since reshafting are ~1/4" longer, so if I had that new graphite shaft in my 3-iron, it'd be 39.25" or so.

However you slice it, (or hook it) this 4H sails much further than my 4-iron.  Or the 3.  Higher too.

[Mobert19]

7 hours ago, sheppick.dan said:

Im looking to replace my 4 iron and looking at a 3 iron. I just don’t play enough to really hit them solid all the time. 5 iron goes about 205, 7 wood goes 235-245 so a 30 yard gap is pretty big

I have a TSR3 5H (24*) en route from global golf to try for this exact purpose. My 4 iron is 22* and gets 200-210 and my 5i is 24* and goes 190-200. 
 

I don’t dislike the 4i, but it is the most difficult iron to hit and has a lower ball flight. Have always wanted to compare this spot to a hybrid to see if there are any benefits. Hence the trial.  
 

I also couldn’t resist and found a TSR2 4H 21* on eBay for dirt cheap that I’m going to compare as well so I should have an answer to this question in a week or so. 

[Golfinfloridaafter40]

9 hours ago, sheppick.dan said:

For those of you who have replaced your irons with hybrids, did you go loft for loft and see the same distance? Did you go to more loft on hybrid and still get the same distance?

 

curious as to what people have found. 

my 3 and 4 hybrid do match iron lofts, but they are cut down closer to physical length of the iron with weight added to the club heads for a number of reasons. 

1. To keep them from going too far

2. To increase center strikes

3. to match swing weight

 

This was a learning process for sure.  Most hybrids won't allow you to add weight anywhere but the back which is a huge problem for those of us that create plenty of spin on our own, plus better players have a tendency to draw/hook hybrids so I found one with no offset, an open face, a toe weight, and a weight in the front.  It's literally the perfect club! It is like cheating to be completely honest, I can hit it high, low, or with either curvature without problems.  Best of all, $149 with the upgraded shaft and free shipping

[sheppick.dan]

1 hour ago, Mobert19 said:

I have a TSR3 5H (24*) en route from global golf to try for this exact purpose. My 4 iron is 22* and gets 200-210 and my 5i is 24* and goes 190-200. 
 

I don’t dislike the 4i, but it is the most difficult iron to hit and has a lower ball flight. Have always wanted to compare this spot to a hybrid to see if there are any benefits. Hence the trial.  
 

I also couldn’t resist and found a TSR2 4H 21* on eBay for dirt cheap that I’m going to compare as well so I should have an answer to this question in a week or so. 

Awesome. Thanks! Look forward to hearing your results

[Cunniandy]

1 hour ago, Mobert19 said:

I have a TSR3 5H (24*) en route from global golf to try for this exact purpose. My 4 iron is 22* and gets 200-210 and my 5i is 24* and goes 190-200. 
 

I don’t dislike the 4i, but it is the most difficult iron to hit and has a lower ball flight. Have always wanted to compare this spot to a hybrid to see if there are any benefits. Hence the trial.  
 

I also couldn’t resist and found a TSR2 4H 21* on eBay for dirt cheap that I’m going to compare as well so I should have an answer to this question in a week or so. 

This is exactly how my bag is setup. TSR3 5h replaces my 4 iron (still keep the 4i handy for windy day tho). I’m high swing speed and the 5h is just so easy to hit and flies to the moon! You’ll love that setup.
 

OP - definitely go test and find the right gapping. You’ll love the setup after you find the right zone. 

[sheppick.dan]

2 hours ago, Golfinfloridaafter40 said:

my 3 and 4 hybrid do match iron lofts, but they are cut down closer to physical length of the iron with weight added to the club heads for a number of reasons. 

1. To keep them from going too far

2. To increase center strikes

3. to match swing weight

 

This was a learning process for sure.  Most hybrids won't allow you to add weight anywhere but the back which is a huge problem for those of us that create plenty of spin on our own, plus better players have a tendency to draw/hook hybrids so I found one with no offset, an open face, a toe weight, and a weight in the front.  It's literally the perfect club! It is like cheating to be completely honest, I can hit it high, low, or with either curvature without problems.  Best of all, $149 with the upgraded shaft and free shipping

What did you buy?

 

how much weight did you add?

 

interested to hear more!

[sheppick.dan]

1 hour ago, Cunniandy said:

This is exactly how my bag is setup. TSR3 5h replaces my 4 iron (still keep the 4i handy for windy day tho). I’m high swing speed and the 5h is just so easy to hit and flies to the moon! You’ll love that setup.
 

OP - definitely go test and find the right gapping. You’ll love the setup after you find the right zone. 

What hybrid and shaft combo? Did you cut down the length?

[Golfinfloridaafter40]

Just now, sheppick.dan said:

What did you buy?

 

how much weight did you add?

 

interested to hear more!

Sub 70 949 Pro Hybrids with UST 95g Recoil Dart

each one cut 3/4" and about 6g of weight added.  They give you the extra weights and wrench for free and will cut the club to whatever length you want for free too.  Customer service is amazing!

[Long_Left]

4h playing +0.5" gaps perfectly with my 4i, hybrid at 22 degrees, 4i at 23.

 

Stealth Plus 4 hybrid with a 3 hybrid length Diamana Thump 100 shaft, Ping i500 4i (retro spec) with KBS C Taper. Hybrid flies 20ish feet higher and carries 15-20 further off the deck, total distance off the tee is closer if the ground is firm as the lower 4i rolls out more but the carry gap remains the same. Driver SS averages 110. Hybrid ~98 4i ~95.

[Cunniandy]

2 hours ago, sheppick.dan said:

What hybrid and shaft combo? Did you cut down the length?

TSR3 with the Gen 4 HZRDUS 90 6.5 - standard length at 39.5". The heavier shaft and strong flex help avoid the dread hybrid hook for me. Being able to put the weight out on the toe helps as well.

Edited March 27 by Cunniandy

[Masterhacker]

I always struggled with hybrids until I accidently tried something by mistake.  I typically play a stiff flex (driver swing speed is 105 ish) so that's what I've always tried in hybrids.  I struggled topping them, left, right, basically a little of everything.  I'm a 4 handicap and a decent ball striker so I was always confused about hybrids.  That is until I accidently ordered one off ebay with a x flex shaft.  I had played some x flex shafts in drivers and three woods without an issue so I thought, can't hurt to try it.  Right out of the gate, it's been a bomber.  Haven't had any issues at all.  Maybe it's the extra weight, maybe the flex but dang it's turned into one of my favorite clubs in the bag so if you struggle with hybrids like I used to, try a little heavier shaft in one than you're used to

[Thrummyfox]

18 hours ago, sheppick.dan said:

For those of you who have replaced your irons with hybrids, did you go loft for loft and see the same distance? Did you go to more loft on hybrid and still get the same distance?

 

curious as to what people have found. 

I’ve played g15 hybrids for a few years lofts a little stronger but at 4 and 5 iron it just works better. Have upgraded over winter to G25 23 and G 26 again don’t mind if they a bit stronger at that range. Also bought a Titleist 816 23 which is adjustable but only slightly longer than the G. Thinking of weakening to 24 and playing instead of the other two at times to make room for another option whether it be fairway, DI or wedge 

[596]

I play my 4,5,6 and 7 hybrids the same length as the corresponding iron.  Lofts are also about the same. The hybrid launches higher and a few yards longer then the same iron.  I them transition to hybrid irons for 8,9,PW, GW, SW.  Loft from the 7 hybrid to the 8 hybrid iron is 3 degrees and about 12 yards. From 8 to SW the loft is 5 to 6 degree difference. Gaps in 8 to SW are about 12 to 15 yards. Gaps in 4 to 7 hybrid is 3 degrees and 10 yards. 

[nosedive32]

I've played with hybrids on and off over the years.

 

My set up since August has mostly been going from a 26 degree T350 6 iron to a 24 degree TSR2 5 Hybrid. Gapping is good.

 

Historically I've always found it works best in most cases to have the highest lofted hybrid 1-2 degrees stronger than the lowest lofted iron but this is obviously going to very wildly based on your individual delivery and the construction of the particular hybrid.

 

I've seen guys work with anywhere from 0-3 degrees difference get proper gapping.

 

If you aren't sure and aren't in a position for proper testing or fitting before buying something look and altering face angle doesn't particularly bother you then try a hybrid that's adjustable within a range of 0-3 degrees from your longest iron

[JohnKHawk]

Mizuno used to have some older Fli-hi hybrids which were specifically marketed as direct iron replacements but seems like that's not how they are now days. In my experience loft for loft the hybrid will be longer just due mainly to shaft length. My current 5 iron is 23.5 degrees & 5 hybrid is 24 degrees. 5 hybrid is definitely longer by 12-15 yards on good hits.

[hook_or_slice]

On 3/26/2024 at 10:12 PM, sheppick.dan said:

For those of you who have replaced your irons with hybrids, did you go loft for loft and see the same distance? Did you go to more loft on hybrid and still get the same distance?

 

curious as to what people have found. 

 

I went Ping hybrids of the same model and number as the Ping irons they replaced.

 

On a good strike the distance is the same.

 

Bad strikes hybrids miss left (hook, I'm lefty) irons miss short.

[Thrummyfox]

1 hour ago, hook_or_slice said:

 

I went Ping hybrids of the same model and number as the Ping irons they replaced.

 

On a good strike the distance is the same.

 

Bad strikes hybrids miss left (hook, I'm lefty) irons miss short.

I have more bad strikes with longer irons than hybrids

[hook_or_slice]

6 hours ago, Thrummyfox said:

I have more bad strikes with longer irons than hybrids

 

My bad iron strikes are usually more recoverable than my bad hybrid strikes.

 

Bad iron, usually short in front of the green leaving an easy chip.

 

Bad hybrid,  in the woods greenside.

[Thrummyfox]

5 hours ago, hook_or_slice said:

 

My bad iron strikes are usually more recoverable than my bad hybrid strikes.

 

Bad iron, usually short in front of the green leaving an easy chip.

 

Bad hybrid,  in the woods greenside.

Guess in many ways the imperfection of golf is why we all get addicted isn’t it? So many different ways, thoughts and ideas of how we get that tiny white ball into a slightly bigger cup a few yards away! 
 

I guess I find for me hybrids reduce the gap between my best and worst, especially at the minute trying to get back to near a level I once was and handicapped of late by some hand surgery.

 

in the meantime have really hit the love of golf back. 

[gvogel]

I've gone to TSR1 5, 6, and 7-hybrids.  I am keeping a 7-iron in the bag, because there is a gap between 7-hybrd and 7-iron.

 

And at my swing speed, the gap between 5-wood and 5-hybrid is manageable.

[Bye]

On 3/27/2024 at 11:37 AM, Mobert19 said:

I have a TSR3 5H (24*) en route from global golf to try for this exact purpose. My 4 iron is 22* and gets 200-210 and my 5i is 24* and goes 190-200. 
 

I don’t dislike the 4i, but it is the most difficult iron to hit and has a lower ball flight. Have always wanted to compare this spot to a hybrid to see if there are any benefits. Hence the trial.  
 

I also couldn’t resist and found a TSR2 4H 21* on eBay for dirt cheap that I’m going to compare as well so I should have an answer to this question in a week or so. 

Be interested to hear your results, I’ve been thinking of looking at this. I’m similar distance wise to what you have mentioned, the gap between 4 & 5 iron is only 8-9 yards, 15 yards would be better. I have the TSR3 3h, distance wise it is so consistent. 

[Bye]

On 3/27/2024 at 1:01 PM, Cunniandy said:

This is exactly how my bag is setup. TSR3 5h replaces my 4 iron (still keep the 4i handy for windy day tho). I’m high swing speed and the 5h is just so easy to hit and flies to the moon! You’ll love that setup.
 

OP - definitely go test and find the right gapping. You’ll love the setup after you find the right zone. 

What’s your distance gap between 5 iron and 5 hybrid?

[Cunniandy]

On 3/31/2024 at 2:16 PM, Bye said:

What’s your distance gap between 5 iron and 5 hybrid?

About 20 yards according to Arccos. 242 is the 5h smart distance and 224 for the 5i. 

[Mobert19]

On 3/31/2024 at 4:14 PM, Bye said:

Be interested to hear your results, I’ve been thinking of looking at this. I’m similar distance wise to what you have mentioned, the gap between 4 & 5 iron is only 8-9 yards, 15 yards would be better. I have the TSR3 3h, distance wise it is so consistent. 

So I can attest that on the LM the 5H is the right club to attempt to replace 4i for me. Ball speeds, spin and distance were a match. Slightly lower launch with 4i. Of course, I was striping 4i and now am wondering what I even need the 5H for. I’ll take them outdoors this Friday to see how they do head to head. 

 

The 4H is too long for the gapping and I just listed it on BST after receiving it yesterday.