Scotty's New Handcrafted Shaft Band

[gotem]

i dont understand.....

[stephenwalker]

[quote name='gotem' date='02 July 2010 - 10:47 PM' timestamp='1278125225' post='2552141']
i dont understand.....
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I am with you, I am not sure I get this. I get spending X amount of dollars for a putter, but X amount just for a shaft band. Sure it looks cool, but $150-500 shaft band?

[jaskanski]

[size="4"]Not interested - unless it's a tour issued, circle T, proto one. Forged of course.[/size]

[xxio]

[quote name='jaskanski' date='04 July 2010 - 12:42 AM' timestamp='1278175375' post='2552873']
[size="4"]Not interested - unless it's a tour issued, circle T, proto one. Forged of course.[/size]
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The skim milled ones are cheaper.

[SwingLikeElk]

It's kind of like a piece of chocolate on a pillow...no harm done but a bit over the top.

[thehobbit]

Scottys are priced at a premium because they are the best. People hate them because of, dare I say, jealousy. I used to be one, now I am a very loyal supporter. Someone is not an idiot because they spent more on Cameron stuff than you did on your house; nor are they ridiculous, stupid, et cetera. What you should be saying is, What did you do to be able to afford to spend more on Cameron stuff then I did on my house? Because if they were dopes, they shouldn't be able to make that much money right. By the way, My Cameron portfolio held its ground during the recession and I made money. Can't say so much for the stock market. Maybe its not so stupid after all.

[funkyfedora]

Like I said on MGS... He had to do something with all the extra thumb rings...

[jaskanski]

[quote name='persimmonpal' date='05 July 2010 - 09:41 PM' timestamp='1278362479' post='2556001']
[quote name='thehobbit' date='05 July 2010 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1278361321' post='2555972']
Scottys are priced at a premium because they are the best. People hate them because of, dare I say, jealousy. I used to be one, now I am a very loyal supporter. Someone is not an idiot because they spent more on Cameron stuff than you did on your house; nor are they ridiculous, stupid, et cetera. What you should be saying is, What did you do to be able to afford to spend more on Cameron stuff then I did on my house? Because if they were dopes, they shouldn't be able to make that much money right. By the way, My Cameron portfolio held its ground during the recession and I made money. Can't say so much for the stock market. Maybe its not so stupid after all.
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[b]" My Cameron portfolio"

[/b]Wow... Its a[i] putter[/i]!
BTW.. Its been said many times before, and I will say it again.
There is no "best", when it comes to putters.
Just for a minute think a bit objectively here..

Each putter is:
A lie angle
A loft
A certain weight
A certain toe hang
A certain length
A certain grip
A certain material
A certain grip
... that is all! Putters are, more or less, shaped metal. Get over yourself.. Its a tool..

Most putters, are extremely similar in all these categories.. What makes something "Better" than another putter with identical characteristics, is perception (and marketing;))..
You may like your Cameron better than any other putter, and you have every right to, after all, its yours. However, a statement like "Camerons are the best" is a ridiculous statement, one that cant be quatified, and is purely opinion.
Just my .02[b]
[/b]
[/quote]

[i]Well said.
[/i]A lot has been made of the the use of 303 or GSS for the manufacture of putters, but it remains a matter of taste which works (or feels) the best. At the end of the day, are we drawn to GSS because it [i]is[/i] superior or because we have been [i]told[/i] it is superior. FWIW, I own a GSS Cameron, a carbon steel Cameron and a bog standard stainless Anser. Ok, the head shapes are subtly different, but the one I currently prefer is the PIng. Why? I have no idea.
There are lots of different reasons as to why one putter is better than the other, but like most things, it's the one thing that you [i]can't[/i] put your finger on that seperates it from the rest. But that's just me.

[LagunaLove]

I don't really care about it to be honest, I love the Cameron putters i have, but this isn't something I'd pay extra for. Having this on a putter I wanted wouldn't make or break the deal. I'm a Scotty Cameron enthusiast, but I feel no need to rip on other putter makers, if it's making putts for you then it's a good putter. I'd say the thing that I like most about Scotty is the quality of his products (never had a problem with anything I have that was made by his company) and his attention to detail, not detail goes unnoticed.

[stage1350]

[quote name='LagunaLove' date='05 July 2010 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1278367958' post='2556136']
no detail goes unnoticed. (fixed for spelling )
[/quote]

Could you please fill me in on the quantity of Minis produced by Scotty Cameron? Nobody seems to know that detail for sure...

[HeadonaStick]

[quote name='thehobbit' date='05 July 2010 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1278361321' post='2555972']
Scottys are priced at a premium because they are the best. People hate them because of, dare I say, jealousy. I used to be one, now I am a very loyal supporter. Someone is not an idiot because they spent more on Cameron stuff than you did on your house; nor are they ridiculous, stupid, et cetera. What you should be saying is, What did you do to be able to afford to spend more on Cameron stuff then I did on my house? Because if they were dopes, they shouldn't be able to make that much money right. By the way, My Cameron portfolio held its ground during the recession and I made money. Can't say so much for the stock market. Maybe its not so stupid after all.
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Better what? I thought we were talking putters here. Are we talking about putters or investments?

If we are discussing putters, please tell me what makes a Cameron a better putter than my Mills. If we are discussing investments, not really interested, although I do know a few people who took a hell of a beating with their Cameron "portfolio."

[xxio]

"Cameron Portfolio"

I have nothing against collectors, but investors

When someone is buying putters beyond quality and performance but as an investment it will useless to argue against them.

Noone "really ever loses" investing in a Cameron, if everyone who actually did admitted it the "Cameron market" would tank.

I will say the Studio is probably realizing this and protecting their investment. Now putters like the 009s are more expensive and harder to get. Propping up their perceived value even though nothing changed in the manufacturing.

Initially good for the guys who bought the first few thousands because the "got a deal". Once they all start going up on ebay they will realize there are thousands of them out there value will drop on their putters.

[rrkman]

[quote name='stage1350' date='05 July 2010 - 06:17 PM' timestamp='1278368260' post='2556145']
[quote name='LagunaLove' date='05 July 2010 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1278367958' post='2556136']
no detail goes unnoticed. (fixed for spelling )
[/quote]

Could you please fill me in on the quantity of Minis produced by Scotty Cameron? Nobody seems to know that detail for sure...
[/quote]

ah man, not the mini again.

Personally, I think there have been some very 'logical' comments in here. Putters are personal and thinking that something is the best is just your personal opinion. Tour wins don't mean anything. Price doesn't mean anything. Marketing doesn't mean anything. What putter the top Nike player (or the top Titleist player, etc.) uses doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is what you think is best for you....and what you are willing to pay for it.

The other problem that I have with these 'best' discussions is - 'how can you say something is the absolute best if you haven't tried every other brand out there'. I love my camerons and my bryons but I have no right to say they are the best or even better than a mills or bettinardi because I don't have either of those to compare to. I also can't say that SS is better than GSS because I don't have a GSS putter to compare my SS to. Hopefully this makes sense and hopefully is helps at least one of you to think before you post 'absolutes' next time.

[kdog25]

[quote name='Bob Cat' date='01 July 2010 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1278023429' post='2549687']
(enter Allen Iverson's voice here)

"Shaft band... we're talking about a shaft band... a shaft band... not a putter... but a shaft band..."




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And as Allen's Mother once said...

"Get out of my face with that crazy stuff"

[RobotDoctor]

[quote name='thehobbit' date='05 July 2010 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1278361321' post='2555972']
Scottys are priced at a premium because they are the best. People hate them because of, dare I say, jealousy. I used to be one, now I am a very loyal supporter. Someone is not an idiot because they spent more on Cameron stuff than you did on your house; nor are they ridiculous, stupid, et cetera. What you should be saying is, What did you do to be able to afford to spend more on Cameron stuff then I did on my house? Because if they were dopes, they shouldn't be able to make that much money right. By the way, My Cameron portfolio held its ground during the recession and I made money. Can't say so much for the stock market. Maybe its not so stupid after all.
[/quote]

Oh boy, did we really have to go in this direction?

I think that Cameron items command what they do because there is a loyal following. I have no issues with that. However, to believe that Cameron items are the very best is certainly a stretch. I have owned 14 Cameron OTRs and a handful of limited edition putters. Most of the putters were good (not great but good) but a couple stood out. Out of the 14 Cameron putters that I consider very good were the AC VII and the IBBF.

When examining the Newport/009 putter, I would choose a Byron Morgan DH89. The DH89, IMO, is a better putter because the quality is the same for the fraction of the cost and Byron Morgan has his hands on it to guarantee quality. As for the Coronado styled putters, I would choose a TP Mills, by David Mills, One or Heritage putter. Again, David Mills has his hands on this putter to guarantee quality. Also, the Mills putters are simply the finest balanced putters I have ever gamed. I am not sure about the Byron Morgan putter I owned because I never tested the balance but the performance spoke for itself.

I think it is an outstanding marketing tactic that Cameron engaged here in offering a metallic shaft band. I know many people who will buy one with little regard to the price. Cameron will not set the price too high but it will not be cheap. For those who like a shaft band this is not a bad idea. For those who live for Cameron wares, this is yet another item to spend your money on.

As for me, this concept is not for me. As for jealousy, I am not this either. I know my feeble Cameron collection did not produce a profit for me however I have done rather well in the stock market the past 3 years. As for my wage, there is not a single Cameron putter I could not purchase today (in cash) maybe with exception of an authentic Tiger Woods NPII GSS backup. Then again, I would never spend $25K-$30K on a golf club. That said, more power to those who want to "[i]invest[/i]" their money in Cameron putters.

[xxio]

[quote name='RobotDoctor' date='06 July 2010 - 11:03 AM' timestamp='1278385396' post='2556706']
As for me, this concept is not for me. As for jealousy, I am not this either. I know my feeble Cameron collection did not produce a profit for me however I have done rather well in the stock market the past 3 years. As for my wage, there is not a single Cameron putter I could not purchase today (in cash) maybe with exception of an authentic Tiger Woods NPII GSS backup. Then again, I would never spend $25K-$30K on a golf club. That said, more power to those who want to "[i]invest[/i]" their money in Cameron putters.
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Like I say to guys who ask me the resale value of their high end putter.

Collect/buy to appreciate, not to hope that it appreciates.

[persimmonpal]

[quote name='xxio' date='06 July 2010 - 06:33 AM' timestamp='1278412399' post='2557040']
[quote name='RobotDoctor' date='06 July 2010 - 11:03 AM' timestamp='1278385396' post='2556706']
As for me, this concept is not for me. As for jealousy, I am not this either. I know my feeble Cameron collection did not produce a profit for me however I have done rather well in the stock market the past 3 years. As for my wage, there is not a single Cameron putter I could not purchase today (in cash) maybe with exception of an authentic Tiger Woods NPII GSS backup. Then again, I would never spend $25K-$30K on a golf club. That said, more power to those who want to "[i]invest[/i]" their money in Cameron putters.
[/quote]


Like I say to guys who ask me the resale value of their high end putter.

Collect/buy to appreciate, not to hope that it appreciates.
[/quote]

Hallelujah!

[OReilly]

I truely don't understand why all the fuss. It's like telling someone why a Mercedes is superior to a Honda. Do they both work, yeah, do they both do the job they are intended to? yeah. It's all personal. Personally I appreciate Scotty's, can't always afford them, and I have found other putters that putt better for me, but I still like Scotty's and the Custom Shop options.

[PlatinumNike]

[quote name='stage1350' date='01 July 2010 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1278031522' post='2549928']
Why do I have the feeling it'll be an additional $75 to change the color on your SHAFT BAND too?
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Close, that's just the cost for color fill

[LagunaLove]

[quote name='stage1350' date='05 July 2010 - 03:17 PM' timestamp='1278368260' post='2556145']
[quote name='LagunaLove' date='05 July 2010 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1278367958' post='2556136']
no detail goes unnoticed. (fixed for spelling )
[/quote]

Could you please fill me in on the quantity of Minis produced by Scotty Cameron? Nobody seems to know that detail for sure...
[/quote]

I remember that debacle and I'm not stupid enough to head down that path again, nor would I have ever in the first place...I'm not talking quantities, I'm talking about the putters themselves...I love my Camerons, but I don't disregard any work done by other great putter makers, I actually really want to get a custom Morgan soon, he makes some really good looking sticks as well...

[jumanji]

[list=1][*]Kinda cool looking but I doubt I'll ever own one...nor have the inclination to shell out any more than about $25 for one.[/list]

[jh19]

These are beyond my wildest dreams.

[ahl3bomber]

[quote name='jumanji' date='07 July 2010 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1278478832' post='2559075']
[list=1][*]Kinda cool looking but I doubt I'll ever own one...nor have the inclination to shell out any more than about $25 for one.[/list]
[/quote]

Trust me...it will be A LOT more than $25 for one...but I can guarentee that they sell out within hours of release...the demand for limited SC gear is unbelievable...whether the product is good or not is debatable, but there is no doubt SC marketing is sick

[jumanji]

[quote name='ahl3bomber ' date='07 July 2010 - 10:20 AM' timestamp='1278516008' post='2559602']

Trust me...it will be A LOT more than $25 for one...but I can guarentee that they sell out within hours of release...the demand for limited SC gear is unbelievable...whether the product is good or not is debatable, but there is no doubt SC marketing is sick
[/quote]

I don't doubt that. Just saying i'd never pay more than $25.00 for one, and I own a mess of SC putters.

[Pure745]

[quote name='jh19' date='07 July 2010 - 07:51 AM' timestamp='1278514263' post='2559547']
These are beyond my wildest dreams.
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+10000

[T2green]

That's nothing new the fish and wildlife dept. has been doing that for years.

[drewspin]

How much will the Studio charge to authenticate the band on the shaft of a Cameron fan?

I can't believe someone actually typed the phrase "Cameron portfolio" and wasn't joking.

[persimmonpal]

[quote name='drewspin' date='08 July 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1278622126' post='2563227']
How much will the Studio charge to authenticate the band on the shaft of a Cameron fan?

I can't believe someone actually typed the phrase "Cameron portfolio" and wasn't joking.
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word

[RookieBlue7]

I am still curious as to how these will be distributed. I've heard that they'll be available only through the Tour Dept. I've read that they'll be released through the CS. The only thing I could see it available to the public is in the CS is by sending the putter in so they can put it on for you. That means you have to send something in for a refinish and it'll be at least the minimum plus the shaft band. So it inclines me to believe that it'll be at least $75 for the band plus the CS fees. We're in the $200+ range already.

[pengle21]

Not a fan!