100-105 Swing Speed Distance

[Kitchen]

My swing speed is consistently 99-101 mph. I'm 25 years old and can get to 108-110 if I want but with my standard swing I carry 250-260 rolling to 270-280ish. I'm very happy with that considering the last 4 rounds I have had about 65% FIR.

[Yuck]

If your swing speed is 100-105, go to the pacific coast at sea level and find a forced carry of 270. With no wind, break out a dozen pro-V 1s and see how many actually make the forced carry. My guess would be zero.

[gambit]

[quote name='Yuck' timestamp='1388407821' post='8366717']
If your swing speed is 100-105, go to the pacific coast at sea level and find a forced carry of 270. With no wind, break out a dozen pro-V 1s and see how many actually make the forced carry. My guess would be zero.
[/quote]

^^^ This ^^^

At sea level you cannot hit a 270 carry with 105ss. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T CARRY THE BALL THAT FAR!!!! But you aren't swinging 105 when you do. You're swining faster on that drive.

[gopherguts]

[quote name='Kitchen' timestamp='1385570002' post='8216202']
My swing speed is consistently 99-101 mph. I'm 25 years old and can get to 108-110 if I want but with my standard swing I [b]carry 250[/b]-260 [b]rolling to 270[/b]-280ish. I'm very happy with that considering the last 4 rounds I have had about 65% FIR.
[/quote]
[quote name='Yuck' timestamp='1388407821' post='8366717']
If your swing speed is 100-105, go to the pacific coast at sea level and find a forced carry of 270. With no wind, break out a dozen pro-V 1s and see how many actually make the forced carry. My guess would be zero.
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[quote name='gambit' timestamp='1388424337' post='8368001']
[quote name='Yuck' timestamp='1388407821' post='8366717']
If your swing speed is 100-105, go to the pacific coast at sea level and find a forced [b]carry of 270[/b]. With no wind, break out a dozen pro-V 1s and see how many actually make the forced carry. My guess would be zero.
[/quote]

^^^ This ^^^

At sea level [b]you cannot hit a 270 carry[/b] with 105ss. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T CARRY THE BALL THAT FAR!!!! But you aren't swinging 105 when you do. You're swining faster on that drive.
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Exactly what part of [b]"carry 250(+)"[/b] and [b]"roll out to 270(+)"[/b] is unclear to you guys ??? [size=4] [/size]


Not to mention you wake up a month old thread with your drivel (oops, I guess I just did [size=4] [/size][size=4])[/size]

Happy New Year !!!

[InsanityFromGermany]

Pointless conversation really, isnt it. The best way to compare ss with distance and all is by tackman, flightscope, gc2 and so on with real balls...

Anything can happen out there on the course so stop fussing about this so much and try to hit the fairway, thats all that really matters.

[Yuck]

[quote name='gopherguts' timestamp='1388555494' post='8377827']
[quote name='Kitchen' timestamp='1385570002' post='8216202']
My swing speed is consistently 99-101 mph. I'm 25 years old and can get to 108-110 if I want but with my standard swing I [b]carry 250[/b]-260 [b]rolling to 270[/b]-280ish. I'm very happy with that considering the last 4 rounds I have had about 65% FIR.
[/quote]
[quote name='Yuck' timestamp='1388407821' post='8366717']
If your swing speed is 100-105, go to the pacific coast at sea level and find a forced carry of 270. With no wind, break out a dozen pro-V 1s and see how many actually make the forced carry. My guess would be zero.
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[quote name='gambit' timestamp='1388424337' post='8368001']
[quote name='Yuck' timestamp='1388407821' post='8366717']
If your swing speed is 100-105, go to the pacific coast at sea level and find a forced [b]carry of 270[/b]. With no wind, break out a dozen pro-V 1s and see how many actually make the forced carry. My guess would be zero.
[/quote]

^^^ This ^^^

At sea level [b]you cannot hit a 270 carry[/b] with 105ss. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T CARRY THE BALL THAT FAR!!!! But you aren't swinging 105 when you do. You're swining faster on that drive.
[/quote]

Exactly what part of [b]"carry 250(+)"[/b] and [b]"roll out to 270(+)"[/b] is unclear to you guys ???


Not to mention you wake up a month old thread with your drivel (oops, I guess I just did [size=4])[/size]

Happy New Year !!!
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[quote name='allsportscoach' timestamp='1311106481' post='3405209']
Hope I'm in the correct form. Buddy of mine last time he checked swing speed around 100-105 if you read everything your distance is max say 260-270 carry. His carry more 280-290 we was playing a drivable par four this weekend 290-300 he drove it first day ball landed on the green the second day he flew on the back and went over. Is his swing speed wrong or his he doing something to get this extra distance. I'm not complaining I'm happy for him and especially when we play scrambles. He plays the ball back middle of his stance and most part a little closed sometimes square to open but mostly a little closed. With the ball so far back does he create more lag? Thanks for reading!
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This is what I was referencing. The original post.

[gopherguts]

[quote name='Yuck' timestamp='1388681817' post='8384969']
[quote name='gopherguts' timestamp='1388555494' post='8377827']
[quote name='Kitchen' timestamp='1385570002' post='8216202']
My swing speed is consistently 99-101 mph. I'm 25 years old and can get to 108-110 if I want but with my standard swing I [b]carry 250[/b]-260 [b]rolling to 270[/b]-280ish. I'm very happy with that considering the last 4 rounds I have had about 65% FIR.
[/quote]
[quote name='Yuck' timestamp='1388407821' post='8366717']
If your swing speed is 100-105, go to the pacific coast at sea level and find a forced carry of 270. With no wind, break out a dozen pro-V 1s and see how many actually make the forced carry. My guess would be zero.
[/quote]

Exactly what part of [b]"carry 250(+)"[/b] and [b]"roll out to 270(+)"[/b] is unclear to you guys ???

Not to mention you wake up a month old thread with your drivel (oops, I guess I just did [size=4])[/size]

Happy New Year !!!
[/quote]


[quote name='allsportscoach' timestamp='1311106481' post='3405209']
Hope I'm in the correct form. Buddy of mine last time he checked swing speed around 100-105 if you read everything your distance is max say 260-270 carry. His carry more 280-290 we was playing a drivable par four this weekend 290-300 he drove it first day ball landed on the green the second day he flew on the back and went over. Is his swing speed wrong or his he doing something to get this extra distance. I'm not complaining I'm happy for him and especially when we play scrambles. He plays the ball back middle of his stance and most part a little closed sometimes square to open but mostly a little closed. With the ball so far back does he create more lag? Thanks for reading!
[/quote]



This is what I was referencing. The original post.
[/quote]

Maybe you should have quoted it in the first place ???

[ppjn348]

I swing around 100-105 and I carry it about 250. Like most have said, depending on conditions, the ball can go!!

[theothertomjones]

[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1311127086' post='3406160']
[quote name='rafal' timestamp='1311123399' post='3405961']
[quote name='csiachos' timestamp='1311122683' post='3405928']
I don't care what your smash factor and spin rate is, a ss of 100-105 is not going to give you a 280-290 carry. All things being perfect, it would still be impossible.
[/quote]

People need a reality check on all their distances not only driving.
[/quote]

+1. People are using the fairway sprinkler yardages again.
[/quote]

+1

I mean even if I get on it as hard as I can without losing control, I might be at the top end of 95-105 mph. That said I swing an 8.5 Anser +.5 (9 deg) and my carry is right at 240 with range balls - and the Anser tends to run 20-30 yards after carry too. When Im on the course hitting a Chrome+ my drives are somewhere between 270ish +/- 10 yards. When hitting a Hex Black Tour its more in the 250-260 range.

[RocketballzTP]

Here is a photo containing launch monitor data for a 101 mph swing speed which has been optimized for launch angle and spin rate...

[RocketballzTP]

Sorry. It didn't upload. I will try again.

[attachment=2056407:Optimized Launch Conditions.JPG]

[skylargolf]

[quote name='RocketballzTP' timestamp='1391745922' post='8613987']
Sorry. It didn't upload. I will try again.

[attachment=2056407:Optimized Launch Conditions.JPG]
[/quote]Not saying your wrong, but I plugged the #'s in from your last shot on the flight scope trajectory optimizer and it came out to...
Carry: 243
Total: 257

[gopherguts]

[quote name='RocketballzTP' timestamp='1391745798' post='8613975']
Here is a photo containing launch monitor data for a 101 mph swing speed which has been optimized for launch angle and spin rate...
[/quote]
[quote name='RocketballzTP' timestamp='1391745922' post='8613987']
Sorry. It didn't upload. I will try again.

[attachment=2056407:Optimized Launch Conditions.JPG]
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Looks like a bunch of your swing results.

Where does it say ANYTHING about being "optimized" for 101 launch and spin ???

[KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE]

[quote name='skylargolf' timestamp='1391748098' post='8614199']
Not saying your wrong, but I plugged the #'s in from your last shot on the flight scope trajectory optimizer and it came out to...
Carry: 243
Total: 257
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Did you have the wind speed set @ 30mph?

[skylargolf]

[quote name='KILLEDBYASHANKEDWEDGE' timestamp='1391869714' post='8622335']
[quote name='skylargolf' timestamp='1391748098' post='8614199']
Not saying your wrong, but I plugged the #'s in from your last shot on the flight scope trajectory optimizer and it came out to...
Carry: 243
Total: 257
[/quote]

Did you have the wind speed set @ 30mph?
[/quote]Haha nope. Wind on his says 0 mph wind so thats what I put.

[RocketballzTP]

This data was taken from an SLDR testing session with a Senior Tour player in a controlled environment with TM Tour Preferred X golf balls. This is a low launch, high spin player and our sole focus was to find a combination that would get him as close to 17/1700 as possible. Therefore, these particular numbers were "optimized" for him while other factors like ball speed, consistency and feel were not. In fact, the shaft used here was performing at far less than optimal efficiency.

We used a Foresight GC2 launch monitor to collect this data. The only actual data captured are ball speed, launch angle, spin and azimuth. The remaining data, including swing speed, is calculated using these numbers. All other data, including swing speed, is only as accurate as the algorithm used in its calculation. As a result, we also captured swings outdoors using FlightScope to corroborate the data.

Actual distances were slightly less. But not as much as you would think based upon the trajectory optimizer. In sub freezing temps, carry distances were consistently above 250. We did see an uptick in swing swing to an average of 104 mph. Ball speed, however, remained relatively constant.

Under normal circumstances, this player's swing speed is in the 104-105 range and ball speed is in the 155-156 range. His average launch is around 9 degrees and spin is 2900-3000. The interesting thing is that the distance numbers are almost identical to the numbers I provided despite a significant drop in ball speed.

The point I am trying to make is that you have to reconsider what's possible from a distance perspective the closer you get to 17/1700. Are the numbers that I provided 100% accurate. Probably not. But they are not as far off as you may think.

[Guia]

Fred Funk has a SS of 111 and with roll he drives it a little over 280 (keep in mind is very accurate and gets the most out of the terrain.

Here is something interesting I read in one of the magazines. Statistics for ALL drives computed well less than 300 yards for the big hitters. The big hitters that show average of over 300 are based upon only 2 holes for a round. This of course means that they are on average 10 - 15 yards shorter for all drives.

[opus_mh]

I don't think 100mph club head speed would carry 300 in aspen let alone sea level. I've done a tone of work with trackman, and fitted hundreds of drivers for people and I'm not saying your lying but it does seem like a fish got bigger story....oh and the whole laws of physics thing!

[RocketballzTP]

[quote name='opus_mh' timestamp='1391931512' post='8627975']
I don't think 100mph club head speed would carry 300 in aspen let alone sea level. I've done a tone of work with trackman, and fitted hundreds of drivers for people and I'm not saying your lying but it does seem like a fish got bigger story....oh and the whole laws of physics thing!
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In case you didn't notice, none of these shots carried anywhere close to 300 yards. But I do appreciate the free physics lesson!

[RocketballzTP]

[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1391929212' post='8627901']
Fred Funk has a SS of 111 and with roll he drives it a little over 280 (keep in mind is very accurate and gets the most out of the terrain.

Here is something interesting I read in one of the magazines. Statistics for ALL drives computed well less than 300 yards for the big hitters. The big hitters that show average of over 300 are based upon only 2 holes for a round. This of course means that they are on average 10 - 15 yards shorter for all drives.
[/quote]

Fred Funk is a straight driver. But he is not very efficient when it comes to distance. His launch conditions (launch angle/spin) are below average relative to other tour players with similar swing speeds. The same thing can be said for Sergio.

You are absolutely correct when it comes to tour average for driving distance. Tour players certainly are not full go on every tee shot. And they are not hitting driver on every hole either. Both stats are somewhat misleading.

The numbers I provided are pretty much the maximum a person with a 100-105 mph swing speed can achieve. Launch, spin, peak height and descent angle are pretty much ideal. It takes the perfect angle of attack, impact point and dynamic loft to even get close these numbers. The only point I am trying to make is that the closer you get to 17/1700 target the further the ball is going to travel. And whether the actual distance is off by 5, 10 or even 20 yards, it's still a heck of a lot further than what people are hitting it now.

[Tee2Green85]

lmao...I had a good laugh from some of these posts. Sorry people your not carrying the ball 285 with a 100-105 swing speed its just not realistic. I don't care if your Smash is 1.999999999 x2 its not happening. Personally I average about 114
SS carrying it 280-290 ending up around 300-320 depending on conditions and slope.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

[quote name='Guia' timestamp='1391929212' post='8627901']
Fred Funk has a SS of 111 and with roll he drives it a little over 280 (keep in mind is very accurate and gets the most out of the terrain.

[/quote]

The 2014 official PGA tour stats have Funk down as 100.31mph average with 11.92 launch and 2,458 spin

111mph is where an average tour player swings at - there aren't many who consistently crank it over 115mph and Kuchar is at 109mph, Harris English 118mph, Kevin Stadler 115 mph. YE Yang is at 112 (so close to 111) and ranked 97th in clubhead speed

[Townes]

[quote name='madjsp' timestamp='1316232842' post='3569745']
[quote name='rhh7' timestamp='1315581571' post='3553040']
My rule of thumb has always been that driver carry equals twice 9-iron carry.

My swing speed is 105 with the driver.

My 9-iron carry is 120 yards, and my driver carry is 240 yards.

Of course, I am still using a 43", steel-shafted driver!?
[/quote]

That's actually very close to accurate. I wonder if I am hitting the 9 iron exceptionally well, if my driver will fly an extra 10 yards!

In all honesty, I generally get about 240 - 250 carry at roughly 100 mph. Obviously, I get some good roll, and even better roll since I play a slight draw, but my carry isn't spectacular.

What it boils down to is accuracy. If someone could hit it 280 carry, but hit the fairway 3 out of 14, then they are just in trouble. If i can hit it 240 carry with roll, but i'm in the middle, i leave myself with the best shot possible. Accuracy is far more important than carry&distance.
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Not sure about this for me, I carry my 9 iron about 140 on an average day but the is no way in h... I can carry a drive 280. More like 240 or a touch more, not much.

[skylargolf]

[quote name='Townes' timestamp='1392005076' post='8634075']
[quote name='madjsp' timestamp='1316232842' post='3569745']
[quote name='rhh7' timestamp='1315581571' post='3553040']
My rule of thumb has always been that driver carry equals twice 9-iron carry.

My swing speed is 105 with the driver.

My 9-iron carry is 120 yards, and my driver carry is 240 yards.

Of course, I am still using a 43", steel-shafted driver!?
[/quote]

That's actually very close to accurate. I wonder if I am hitting the 9 iron exceptionally well, if my driver will fly an extra 10 yards!

In all honesty, I generally get about 240 - 250 carry at roughly 100 mph. Obviously, I get some good roll, and even better roll since I play a slight draw, but my carry isn't spectacular.

What it boils down to is accuracy. If someone could hit it 280 carry, but hit the fairway 3 out of 14, then they are just in trouble. If i can hit it 240 carry with roll, but i'm in the middle, i leave myself with the best shot possible. Accuracy is far more important than carry&distance.
[/quote]

Not sure about this for me, I carry my 9 iron about 140 on an average day but the is no way in h... I can carry a drive 280. More like 240 or a touch more, not much.
[/quote]Me either. I carry my 9 iron 150 and carry my driver 250. I think it could be true for some players, but far from the truth for others.

[boatrightgolf7]

Let's take 2 factors here and assume their consistent. One take a 105 mph swinger with a 9 deg driver and a reg flex shaft hitting a shot with a dead square club face pure and compare it to a 115 mph swinger with a stiff shaft and square face but a mishit toe or heel and you would get similar results in carry. However compare a 100 mph to a 115 to 120 guy and the higher swing speed will always go farther regardless of impact but not face angle that effects it to a huge degree. The moral here is hitting hit pure is key but only to a certain degree if for some reason your 85% swing is 115 mph then your long! if 105 mph is your max swing than you should tone it down to 100 and hit it pure. If you have skill and extreme club head speed it doesn't matter if you hit the sweet spot when your going after it 125 mph. It will effect direction marginally maybe left side of fairway vs middle and on par 5's not a big deal.

[boatrightgolf7]

Overall I think 105 mph with a reg flex driver 9 deg loft on dead solid hit at 17 deg launch produces with no wind at seal level 250 yards carry. Stiff shaft 245 or so maybe 250 with a distance ball and 5 yards more for every 1,500 feet you go up in elevation. So if you swing 105 you need less launch and more roll I swing 105 and get 290 at times with my roll.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

[quote name='boatrightgolf7' timestamp='1392255559' post='8656281']
Overall I think 105 mph with a reg flex driver 9 deg loft on dead solid hit at 17 deg launch produces with no wind at seal level 250 yards carry. Stiff shaft 245 or so maybe 250 with a distance ball and 5 yards more for every 1,500 feet you go up in elevation. So if you swing 105 you need less launch and more roll I swing 105 and get 290 at times with my roll.
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Not sure I follow why a reg would go further than a stiff? Unless you are suggesting the reg would be better loaded to generate a higher clubhead speed at impact (and hence NOT comapring like for like 105 mph swing speed which takes account of the shaft) then by setting a fixed launch angle the only variable is spin.

The slower a ball is moving the more spin that is required to keep it in the air for any given launch angle. If anything a regular shaft launched at 105 ss (say 155 bs) is likely to spin too much to be optimum at 17 degrees.

Totally agree a regular shaft could go further for a 105 ss, but it would be for a guy who is struggling with launch and aside from the reg giving slightly better launch, the extra spin would help. If you are fixing launch at 17 (which is pretty high) and ss at 105 then a reg shaft is likely to be shorter compared like to like with a softer version of the same shaft

[gopherguts]

[quote name='RocketballzTP' timestamp='1391928490' post='8627879']
This data was taken from an SLDR testing session with a Senior Tour player in a controlled environment with TM Tour Preferred X golf balls. This is a low launch, high spin player and our sole focus was to find a combination that would get him as close to 17/1700 as possible. Therefore, these particular numbers were "optimized" for him while other factors like ball speed, consistency and feel were not. In fact, the shaft used here was performing at far less than optimal efficiency.

[b]We used a Foresight GC2 launch monitor to collect this data. The only actual data captured are ball speed, launch angle, spin and azimuth. The remaining data, including swing speed, is calculated using these numbers.[/b] All other data, including swing speed, is only as accurate as the algorithm used in its calculation. As a result, we also captured swings outdoors using FlightScope to corroborate the data.[/quote]

Now I'm no physicist nor am I a mathematician but I don't see how you can calculate swingspeed with (only) the numbers you claim are captured no matter what algorithm you use.

Possible you capture "Smash Factor" as well ?


[quote]Actual distances were slightly less. But not as much as you would think based upon the trajectory optimizer. In sub freezing temps, carry distances were consistently above 250. We did see an uptick in swing swing to an average of 104 mph. Ball speed, however, remained relatively constant.

Under normal circumstances, this player's swing speed is in the 104-105 range and ball speed is in the 155-156 range. His average launch is around 9 degrees and spin is 2900-3000. The interesting thing is that the distance numbers are almost identical to the numbers I provided despite a significant drop in ball speed.

The point I am trying to make is that you have to reconsider what's possible from a distance perspective the closer you get to 17/1700. Are the numbers that I provided 100% accurate. Probably not. But they are not as far off as you may think.
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I find some of your findings very interesting as my SS is right in the neighborhood.

Launch monitors have been popular now for what, about 7 or 8 years ? From early on (my SS tops at around 99) the recommendations I could *find* were approx 13-14* launch and about 3000 spin to get my maximum carry and roll out.

Any number of (different) launch monitors (mostly in stores) have more or less "confirmed" these numbers.

There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of posts on the subject here on WRX and a number of statistics have been generally agreed to as "accurate".

Smash factor maxes out at 1.5. Very difficult to achieve.

More interesting though is an excellent formula for "carry" has been "discovered" at roughly 2.5 times swing speed. This on excellent center hits, i.e. an excellent "smash factor". Almost invariably, numbers quoted by all sorts of golfer (here) on all sorts of launch monitors have confirmed this particular number. Nobody quotes it very much by I, being very interested in this sort of thing, have run the calculations and invariably the carry come in right around this 2.5 number.

You seemingly have come up with 17/1700/100(mph) carrying approx 270, 2.7 times the SS.

Are all the other launch monitors wrong ? Were all the older ones wrong ? I'd gotten much higher launch with much higher spin (4K) and the ball went nowhere. And yes, bringing the spin down certainly helped with the carry but no shaft/head combo ever got me down to 1700 spin.

And all of a sudden I'm hearing "high launch, low spin" pretty much everywhere, even on the Golf Channel.

So did this new "discovery" just happen recently ? Just when the SLDR came out ? Now, with an SLDR I can carry it 260-270 instead of my old 240 ?

Or do I have to hit a driver with a sweet spot the size of a pin head to accomplish such numbers ?

TIA

[msegroves]

I have about the same swing speed and my average carry on the Flightscope is about 240 carry 260-270 with roll.

[northgolf]

[quote name='RocketballzTP' timestamp='1391928490' post='8627879']
This data was taken from an SLDR testing session with a Senior Tour player in a controlled environment with TM Tour Preferred X golf balls. This is a low launch, high spin player and our sole focus was to find a combination that would get him as close to 17/1700 as possible. Therefore, these particular numbers were "optimized" for him while other factors like ball speed, consistency and feel were not. In fact, the shaft used here was performing at far less than optimal efficiency.

We used a Foresight GC2 launch monitor to collect this data. The only actual data captured are ball speed, launch angle, spin and azimuth. The remaining data, including swing speed, is calculated using these numbers. All other data, including swing speed, is only as accurate as the algorithm used in its calculation. As a result, we also captured swings outdoors using FlightScope to corroborate the data.

Actual distances were slightly less. But not as much as you would think based upon the trajectory optimizer. In sub freezing temps, carry distances were consistently above 250. We did see an uptick in swing swing to an average of 104 mph. Ball speed, however, remained relatively constant.

Under normal circumstances, this player's swing speed is in the 104-105 range and ball speed is in the 155-156 range. His average launch is around 9 degrees and spin is 2900-3000. The interesting thing is that the distance numbers are almost identical to the numbers I provided despite a significant drop in ball speed.

The point I am trying to make is that you have to reconsider what's possible from a distance perspective the closer you get to 17/1700. Are the numbers that I provided 100% accurate. Probably not. But they are not as far off as you may think.
[/quote]

What club did you fit this pro with to produce these results? I gotta get me some of this cr***