****: Is it a massive con?

ironcatironcat the catMembers Posts: 524 ✭✭

I used to like ****, but over recent years have started to think it's a massive con and the stuff they tout is just a front for selling clubs and making $$$.

There are many reasons for this, but primarily their claimed ethos about being "purely about the players" doesn't resonate with reality. They go to great lengths to distinguish their 'oh so holy' selves from 'evil money making' equipment retailers and shame them for false promises of distance etc each year and claim to cut through that.

The reality is to me that they are really no different.

Here are the facts

**Every year they hype up a driver test. **
They create just as much (if not more) hype around new drivers as any manufacturer. They test them and then tout the longest and best and supply ample affiliate links to urge readers to buy them. This puts them in the business of selling clubs, no matter what they say. They are on the same marketing train as the manufacturers. Create Hype > Create Sales. It's as simple as that.

They do it every year. New year = new hype = new affiliate links.

They won't test old vs new
This is the biggest red flag for me. Have you ever wondered why they don't compare previous drivers with new drivers? It's the most frequently asked question on the **** comment pages. Surely if being "all about the player" and "cutting through industry BS" was true, doing this test would be one of the first things they would do becasue it would show consumers how much of the manufactuers claims are true - it would show whether TaylorMade's claim of "this is out longest driver yet" is true, or if Ping's claim of "this is out most forgiving driver EVER" is true; but despite requests and how easy it would be, and how industry shattering it would be, they have never done it, and I doubt they never will.

Why? Because it would probably show year on year that the reality is that there is no difference in driver heads and this would mean no no affiliate sales to make. After all, if they tested the last 5 years of drivers and a 2015 TaylorMade driver ended up on top - how are they going to make affiliate money from that? They can't because each year the shelves are cleared from previous years models for new models.

It's the same with their paid-for online fitting service TrueFit - they actually REMOVE previous years drivers from their database!! Why on earth would they do that if it was "all about the player" - it gives customers less data and fewer clubs for players to possibly be fit into. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Reason? Because again they can't create affiliate sales by recommending previous releases that are no-longer in stores for sale.

So it seems to me that **** are simply part of the hype machine, they are generating hype for the manufacturers, they are actively promoting new drivers, putters and irons each year as "the best" the "most longest" and they are generating revenue via sales.

The fact is they are involved in the promotion and sale of golf clubs, that is undeniable - but you cannot do that and also claim to be only about the player or about bringing truth to the industry, there is an obviously clash of interests at play.

Thoughts?

Comments

  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,365 ✭✭

    Almost every company that tests clubs gets them free from the manufacturer. I don't know a ton about that site but I'm guessing they do too, maybe I'm wrong.

    The MFRs will tell you there's some things you can't do , or they will stop sending you clubs. Most reviewers I would imagine would love to do more detailed tests, using same shaft etc...but MFRs don't want that

    There are comparison tests that GolfWRX has tried to do in the past that MFRs wouldn't send clubs for.

    Unless someone is willing to fund everything themselves you'll never see real tests

    Ping G400 Max 9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Epic Subzero 14* w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex Hybrid 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW w/S300
    Callaway MD Forged 52,56 w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/s300
    SGC Northwood Center Shaft 400g
  • KAndyManKAndyMan JUST GOTTA SEND IT!!! Members Posts: 322 ✭✭

    I could go on for awhile about a few other big red flags i noticed last year but ill just keep those thoughts to myself. I quit looking at them when they tried asking for donations b/c they "dont accept ad money from any mfg" when literally the page that was on had 6-7 ads on it???? Ill stick to my guys here at WRX. Hopefully some of them come back soon...

  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,020 ✭✭

    @KAndyMan said:
    I could go on for awhile about a few other big red flags i noticed last year but ill just keep those thoughts to myself. I quit looking at them when they tried asking for donations b/c they "dont accept ad money from any mfg" when literally the page that was on had 6-7 ads on it???? Ill stick to my guys here at WRX. Hopefully some of them come back soon...

    I haven’t spent a ton of time, but I don’t think they advertise the major manufacturers... honestly, looking back at the rocket balls head shaving post five or six years ago and it could very easily be guerilla marketing... wouldn’t be the worst use of resources by a manufacturer and everyone has a price.

    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,020 ✭✭

    For the record, I’m drawing no conclusions... I visit the main site occasionally and use there reviews for 10,000 foot overviews of stuff.

    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • Steele47Steele47 Members Posts: 1,306 ✭✭
  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,268 ✭✭

    It’s ****.

    Walter: Tell me Bobby, why do you play this game?
    Bobby: I play because I love it.
    Walter: Well I play for the money. I have to win. That is why every time we face each other I will always beat you.
  • BB28403BB28403 Members Posts: 3,602 ✭✭

    What are we talking about guys?

  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,268 ✭✭
    edited Apr 26, 2019 9:10pm #10

    @BB28403 said:
    What are we talking about guys?

    Talking about ****. It sounds like mai golf fly.

    Walter: Tell me Bobby, why do you play this game?
    Bobby: I play because I love it.
    Walter: Well I play for the money. I have to win. That is why every time we face each other I will always beat you.
  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,020 ✭✭

    @BrianMcG said:

    @BB28403 said:
    What are we talking about guys?

    Talking about ****. It sounds like mai golf fly.

    Mai Golf Thai?

    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,688 ClubWRX

    As I often hear, I apparently don’t know ****.

  • Steele47Steele47 Members Posts: 1,306 ✭✭

    Do they offer free ****ping?

  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,365 ✭✭

    @Myherobobhope said:

    @BrianMcG said:

    @BB28403 said:
    What are we talking about guys?

    Talking about ****. It sounds like mai golf fly.

    Mai Golf Thai?

    That was my strippers name yesterday!

    Ping G400 Max 9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Epic Subzero 14* w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex Hybrid 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW w/S300
    Callaway MD Forged 52,56 w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/s300
    SGC Northwood Center Shaft 400g
  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members Posts: 2,020 ✭✭

    @MtlJeff said:

    @Myherobobhope said:

    @BrianMcG said:

    @BB28403 said:
    What are we talking about guys?

    Talking about ****. It sounds like mai golf fly.

    Mai Golf Thai?

    That was my strippers name yesterday!

    Hard to build the cult following your routine deserves when you change stage names so frequently.

    Current Bag (Rebuilding as of 5/6/19)
    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • LambLamb LondonMembers Posts: 325 ✭✭

    New golf equipment's are no less a con than a new cell phone, car, tv etc You don't really expect OEM to stop making new ones and promoting the benefits do you?

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