Strong Lofted 7 Iron VS Traditional Lofted 5 Iron - Both 27 Degrees!

[i*windows]

nice comparison between traditional and modern lofted clubs. I'm not sure if the shaft lengths are the same, but still quite interesting.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAzu_SjAAAM

[Your-away!]

So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

[i*windows]

So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

not really

[billybaroo]

Video thumbnail shows 2 6 irons...

[Cornwall1888]

So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

 

It also puts on the question this marketing about thin faces, cup technology etc

 

Also people say these strong clubs are low spinning, they aren’t, they spin pretty much exactly as you’d expect a 27 degree club to

 

Strike is king is a popular saying, it seems as though loft is king too

[sdandrea]

The clubs are basically identical except for the graphics. Yawn.......

[Your-away!]

So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

 

It also puts on the question this marketing about thin faces, cup technology etc

 

Also people say these strong clubs are low spinning, they aren't, they spin pretty much exactly as you'd expect a 27 degree club to

 

Strike is king is a popular saying, it seems as though loft is king too

 

Exactly, it spins low for a 7 iron, but doesn't spin low for 27 degree of loft

[Bubbtubbs]

I feel like the era of launch monitors has really driven a strange obsession with raw numbers that don't translate much to real course effects accurately.

 

I mean, if you can reliably hit a 35* 7 iron 170 (w rollout) with good ball flight and stopping power, do you really need to hit it 180 with less? Does 600rpm really matter?

[North Butte]

I feel like the era of launch monitors has really driven a strange obsession with raw numbers that don't translate much to real course effects accurately.

 

It has certainly lined the pockets of a handful of YouTube "celebrities" who found they can earn a living by slapping half a dozen balls off a mat and posting the launch monitor "results" for club after club after club after club after club....

[rawdog]

Seriously, do the people starting these threads think they are contributing something new?

[BDoubleG]

So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

 

I think the reason tests like this are taking place is because some other sites and companies are arguing that there's a reason for lowering lofts, which corresponds with changes in face technology and COG in order to optimize launch conditions, and that they are not simply jacking lofts.

 

I actually found this interesting since, after company after company tries to justify the strong lofts as more than just a placebo, this test seems to show that the companies are guilty of exactly what they claim not to be doing, and that they are simply taking a 5 iron, and are stamping "7" on it.

[1Mordrid1]

People still do not get it. If you give me 2 27 degree lofted clubs, and they go similar distances but one has a shaft that is 1 or more inches shorter, which should I be able to control more? The shorter shaft will generally have a tighter dispersion.

 

So then it is not simply just a jack lofted club. If it was then how is the shorter shafted iron flying further than the longer shafted iron?

 

People need to understand static loft is not the end-all be-all of clubs. It is ironic that so many people understand this with drivers but cannot understand the same concept with other clubs.

 

 

[Derek666]

*Yawn* on the topic of iron lofts :)

[sdandrea]

Seriously, do the people starting these threads think they are contributing something new?

 

No, but thanks for replying - your avatar is HOT! :taunt:

[rawdog]

Seriously, do the people starting these threads think they are contributing something new?

 

No, but thanks for replying - your avatar is HOT! :taunt:

 

That's my daughter :/

 

Jk. It's Isla Fisher. More discussion and photos here: http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1554412-pxg-customer-target/page__st__270#entry16418128

 

Paging PorscheFan...

[Tex1986]

I refer/think of clubs by their max carry distance anyways. The stupid number/loft on the bottom means nothing to me.

 

170 club - “7” iron

190 club - “5” iron

 

If I have a 163 yard shot, I pull out the 170 club. If I have a 187 yard shot, I pull the 190 club.

 

Loft/length creep topic of has been beat to death btw.

[dciccoritti]

People still do not get it. If you give me 2 27 degree lofted clubs, and they go similar distances but one has a shaft that is 1 or more inches shorter, which should I be able to control more? The shorter shaft will generally have a tighter dispersion.

 

So then it is not simply just a jack lofted club. If it was then how is the shorter shafted iron flying further than the longer shafted iron?

 

People need to understand static loft is not the end-all be-all of clubs. It is ironic that so many people understand this with drivers but cannot understand the same concept with other clubs.

 

Yes. More control and better dispersion because of it.

 

Check this video which came out today. And not against a 27 degree cavity back with tungsten weights. And not by really good ball striker like Michael Newton.

 

Feel free to take a close look at his dispersion chart.

 

Face it, it's all a deceptive farce that most golfers LOVE to buy into. Makes them feel good :-)

 

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[i*windows]

Seriously, do the people starting these threads think they are contributing something new?

 

yep some people may find it interesting, some may not. don't have to read it, don't have to like it

[Pigems]

I wouldn’t have expected any different, a 27* Club is an 27* Club.

[rawdog]

Seriously, do the people starting these threads think they are contributing something new?

 

yep some people may find it interesting, some may not. don't have to read it, don't have to like it

 

I get it, but there is literally a thread that is like 2 days older than yours and in the top 5-10 equipment threads called:

 

Dude - You hit a 5 Iron - Not a 7 Iron

 

If this 5 vs 7 iron thread has a new twist, carry on.

 

Ultimately, it's all good as long as you're an Isla Fisher fan :D

[Tigerslsu985]

So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

 

It also puts on the question this marketing about thin faces, cup technology etc

 

Also people say these strong clubs are low spinning, they aren't, they spin pretty much exactly as you'd expect a 27 degree club to

 

Strike is king is a popular saying, it seems as though loft is king too

 

This is exactly what I found interesting. I dont care what loft people play in a 5 iron but its interesting that loft for loft the cupface, tungsten weights, ribcor, jailbreak, whatever the name may be really doesn't have an effect on height, spin or distance like they market it to seem

[i*windows]

Seriously, do the people starting these threads think they are contributing something new?

 

yep some people may find it interesting, some may not. don't have to read it, don't have to like it

 

I get it, but there is literally a thread that is like 2 days older than yours and in the top 5-10 equipment threads called:

 

Dude - You hit a 5 Iron - Not a 7 Iron

 

If this 5 vs 7 iron thread has a new twist, carry on.

 

Ultimately, it's all good as long as you're an Isla Fisher fan :D

oops, didn't see that thread, should have dumped this their, maybe a mod can move it.

 

who doesn't like Isla!

[lil'mike]

I refer/think of clubs by their max carry distance anyways. The stupid number/loft on the bottom means nothing to me.

 

170 club - “7” iron

190 club - “5” iron

 

If I have a 163 yard shot, I pull out the 170 club. If I have a 187 yard shot, I pull the 190 club.

 

Loft/length creep topic of has been beat to death btw.

 

^^^^ Yeah this! I will admit that last year or so when I first got back into golf from taking like 8-10 years off, I was kinda dumbfounded by all the changes in clubs. I had to put together a set (which is still in the works) since I sold mine back then when I got out of the game. Now back into the game it was quite a surprise to me to see all clubs like drivers, fairways, even hybrids that were available with adjustments as that wasn't the case back then. I was also surprised on the lofts but because it made me re-think what I had to get if I got a newer iron set because I did think that the PW is now a 9 iron so a GW or AW is like mandatory it seems like, unless I went with an older set with the traditional lofts that is! That said I have always used irons up to and including the GW or AW for full yardage shots and only carried a 56 to go with it and used for everything else. Anyway it just seems like a different game now! Sorry for the rambling! lol

 

I personally don't care if I am using a 5 iron to hit a yardage that my buddy maybe using a 7 iron for. I too go by what yardages each club gives me. It seems like the stronger lofts are just one club less so if I need a 6 iron now instead of a 7 iron before to make the same shot, who cares? Heck since being out of the game for so long I might even hit a 5 iron now since I am still working on getting back into it and my yardages are not set in stone yet!

[Strömsborg]

I refer/think of clubs by their max carry distance anyways. The stupid number/loft on the bottom means nothing to me.

 

170 club - “7” iron

190 club - “5” iron

 

If I have a 163 yard shot, I pull out the 170 club. If I have a 187 yard shot, I pull the 190 club.

 

Loft/length creep topic of has been beat to death btw.

 

Yes, the length creep topic would be moot if there wasn't the direct consequence of having 5° between the wedges and 2.5° between the 5 and 4 irons, like the Rogue X has. There's the real problem.

[North Butte]

Even super-duper high tech modern irons can be bent a degree strong or weak by a competent club repair tech, if your gaps don't suit you.

 

The practice of tweaking off-the-shelf lofts slightly to fine-tune distance and trajectory dates back decades.

[xjohnx]

Strong loft threads are the new “best fairway wood of all time” thread.

[clinkinfo]

> @"Your-away!" said:

> So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

 

So that’s one video take.

 

Now try this one With the counter argument:

 

 

 

[dciccoritti]

> @clinkinfo said:

> > @"Your-away!" said:

> > So basically if both clubs were the same length, have the same loft, they go about the same distance, not really surprising is it?

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> So that’s one video take.

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> Now try this one With the counter argument:

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Shafts are radically different in terms of kick point and weight. However if you want to see a proper video done by the same guy where he used the same shaft, here it is...

 

 

 

[BY#99]

So YRMV but here is my experience the last 2+ years. I have a set of PING’s that are close to 10 years in my bag. The last 2 years I have been looking to get the “newer” clubs. I do not get caught up with computer numbers. My local course, if I get the 1st morning tee time, I could probably play 2-3 balls a hole and probably not get caught. I take clubs to the course and compare to mine. I have probably hit close to 15 irons over the last 2 years. I compare lofts not iron number. Of this testing, I have not seen any noticeable advantage to the newer irons. No dispersion or distance gains (all a few yards). No forgiveness benefits either. Some have good/bad feel but that is about it. Have not seen and trajectory benefits either. I may be the anomaly and I am sure the manufacturers do not like my type. And believe you I would love some new irons. However, with a family and two kids just cannot justify the cash without seeing a real benefit.

[Mikepaul]

There is a market for strong lofted clubs, the average golfer who infrequently hits the centre of the face and for whom the odd distance flyer is acceptable given the forgiveness these shovels provide. Brilliant idea, fantastic implementation

 

Consistent ball strikers do not benefit from stronger lofted clubs, as they focus on the attributes of flight, spin and distance. The better players are trying to hit to an exact distance from the 14 clubs available.

 

Today was very windy, my 12 handicap partner shot 89, I shot 71.