Cast vs forged

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I’ve mostly played casted clubs through the years. I recently went to pxg. While they are unbelievably nice clubs with great feel I just never get the feeling like I hit them or any forged club solid. I get the whole “butter” thing but to me cast clubs give me the impression like there is “meat” in the face, if that makes sense. Thinking of going back to cast clubs. I know this is all subjective but anyone play worse with forged irons?

I get the feeling like I’m going to be messing my irons for awhile.
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  • ShortGameJunkieShortGameJunkie  342WRX Points: 1Handicap: 8.4Members Posts: 342 Bunkers
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    Oh boy
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    Driver: 2016 M2 10.5* Fukijura pro 60 S

    3wood: Tour Edge Exotics EX9 15* Matrix Ozik Red Tie S

    3 hybrid: Ping G 19* Alta 70 S

    4i: Mizuno JPX 900 Hot Metal C-Taper Lite S

    5-GW: Mizuno JPX 900 Forged C-Taper Lite S

    Wedges: Cleveland RTX-3 V-MG 54* & 60*

    Putter: 2018 Newport 34”
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  • kcd38kcd38  419WRX Points: 133Members Posts: 419 Greens
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    IMO, performance will be effected more by head size, loft, lie, face thickness, shaft, etc. Forged clubs are a preference due to the 'butter' feel you get when you strike a shot well, and the feedback you get on poorly struck shots.



    Going from a forged feel to a cast feel, with very similar club dimensions, shouldn't dramatically change physical shot performance. Now, whether or not you felt that shot was good due to the change in feel will only effect how you percieve the feel is (more of a mental aspect).



    You may not have hit forged clubs well, because prior to some recent offerings (players distance clubs), most truly forged clubs were smaller heads and harder to hit well consistently (Cavity Backs and Muscle Back Blades).



    I can relate to this thought process as I currently play mizuno mp 18 sc's and have been considering going to Ping i210's due to the added forgiveness and looks. The one thing I will miss will be the mizuno forged feel on well struck shots. But to me, I can replace that good feeling with hitting more greens.
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    Driver - PING G400 LST 8.5, Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0
    3 Wood - PING G400 14.5, AD Di 6s
    Hybrid - Ping G410 19 degree, Tour AD DI 95x Hybrid 
    4-PW - Mizuno JPX 919 Tour PW-6, 919 Forged 5 iron, 919 Hot Metal Pro 5 iron, all with Modus Nippon3 120s
    Wedges - Vokey SM7 50F, 55F, 60 D 
    Putter - Taylormade Spider Tour Black
  • Divot2Divot2  577WRX Points: 125Members Posts: 577 Golden Tee
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    Once you get it in your mind that you can’t play one over another, it’s usually over. Golf is a very mental game and if you feel that way than by all means switch it up. Cast just does not give me the satisfaction of a shot that is struck pure.
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  • Lefty96Lefty96  243WRX Points: 173Members Posts: 243 Fairways
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    I recently made the switch from an older set of Titleist CB's to AP3's and the move from going from forged feel to cast feel was interesting. I certainly hit the AP3's better than the CB's but that is because they are meant to be an easier club to hit. Feel wise I've just noticed that mishits feel different. Center strikes to me feel the same between the two. The mishits on both feel bad, just different kinds of bad.
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  • sdandreasdandrea Steve  2642WRX Points: 499Handicap: 11Members Posts: 2,642 Titanium Tees
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    Some of the longest and most controversial threads over history have begun with this title.....................popcorn out.
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  • sheldonjhackersheldonjhacker  3757WRX Points: 178Members Posts: 3,757 Titanium Tees
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    Just had this discussion with my buddy this weekend. His response: "I don't need feedback, I don't WANT feedback...I just wanna hit a straight ball and hit more greens in regulation!!!!" image/cheesy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheesy:' />
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  • stk123stk123  455WRX Points: 97Members Posts: 455 Greens
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    Put on some headphones and you will never tell a difference between forged and cast irons. It is all sound and "feel" has very little to do with it.
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  • volvic10volvic10  26WRX Points: 20Handicap: 12Members Posts: 26 Bunkers
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    You don't feel sound?
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  • stk123stk123  455WRX Points: 97Members Posts: 455 Greens
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    volvic10 wrote:


    You don't feel sound?




    The sound of forged clubs is what makes you think they are "buttery soft".
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  • DixieDDixieD  200WRX Points: 81Handicap: 3Members Posts: 200 Fairways
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    I think any club hit out the middle feels pretty good. I love my MP64's but that is mainly due to their size, flight and sole. Have played S56's and would say if I was doing a blind test I would be pushed to tell which was forged and which was cast. The forged v cast arguement usually has people comparing forged blades to GI shovels which of course will feel different, in a blade there is lots more mass behind the sweet spot, that's not because it's forged though.
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  • HiSpeed48HiSpeed48  2109WRX Points: 117Members Posts: 2,109 Platinum Tees
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    That buttery feeling comes from hitting the center of the face. Hit anywhere else and it's going to feel very harsh.
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  • adams603adams603  526WRX Points: 60Members Posts: 526 Golden Tee
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    I literally spent an hr at the range switching from the pxg to my trusty RSI Taylor Mades. Both have same specs and shafts, even same grips. I’m to the point where feel and sound mean nothing to me. The pxg were 5ish yards longer but the cast seemed easier to hit. I know, apples to oranges.

    I’m a mental case.

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  • MysteryVMysteryV  500WRX Points: 127Members Posts: 500 Golden Tee
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    As many have said, sound and feel are inextricably linked and often times, that is why people believe forged to feel more solid and buttery than cast clubs.



    That said, I frequently practice with a hitting net and Skytrak. If I turn the ipad away and hit shots with forged blades I can typically tell the quality of shot / where I've missed based on sound and feel. My guessing accuracy goes WAY down when I perform the same experiment with Ping G irons.



    To me, the beauty of forged clubs, in addition to being softer metal in general, is that the process aligns the grains which results in much more consistent feedback. That said, it's definitely not necessary to hit a good golf shot, nor is it something that everyone wants.



    Interesting overview: https://golf.mizunoeurope.com/art-of-forging/
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    Driver: Taylormade SIM Max w/ Tour AD-IZ
    3 Wood: Epic 3+ w/ GD AD-DI
    Irons: Miura CB-1008 w/ Oban CT-115
    Wedges: Miura Y Grind 51, Miura K Grind 56,60 w/ Modus Wedge
    Putter: Byron Morgan DH-89 GSS
  • Striker AceStriker Ace  348WRX Points: 10Members Posts: 348 Greens
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    Give me either or and it will not make a difference for it is all about the angles and consistency. However I will choose forged each time because it generally means better craftsmanship and quality and I actually do notice less harshness on off center strikes.
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  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan  6800WRX Points: 67Handicap: 9.8Members Posts: 6,800 Titanium Tees
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    I thought this was a bad joke when I saw the topic...



    When I hit a Ping in that huge, casted sweet spot, it feels great - like nothing - like a forging - sort of - depends on the forging.



    PXG is not entirely forged, the i500 is not entirely forged, the i210 feels soft like Charmin, but it's not forged. Miura small cavity (haven't hit the blade) feels dense and solid - not buttery, except the 301 - that felt buttery, the 201 like a surgeon's scalpel - precise, dense... Mizuno MP - like sweet margarine or salted butter -- okay, I go too far.



    Just find something you like - feel is a combo of vibrations - sound/feel - that depends on head and shaft - I think - so don't base your decision on feel, base it on what you need, and then feel, if it means that much...
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    Bag: Ping G400 Max/TPT Golf Series 17 ● Exotics EX10 Beta 4, 5 wd ● PXG 0317 4H/Tensei CK Pro Red 70 ● Mizuno 919F 5-GW/Accra i80 ● Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56ES, 60SS ●Evnroll ER8
  • puttingmattputtingmatt puttingmatt Summer/ Michigan-- Winter/ Florida 5393WRX Points: 476Handicap: 4Members Posts: 5,393 Titanium Tees
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    If you have played cast for your entire time, why change to forgings? Just asking.
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    OP, you've been a member for ten years. Search is your friend.



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