It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[patrick421]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1441732685' post='12281730']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1441732119' post='12281678']
[quote name='longleft' timestamp='1441121637' post='12245272']
[quote name='DNice26' timestamp='1441121258' post='12245230']
Sorry guys, I'm sure this may have been answered before, but what is the closest match to the CTaper S+ profile in the modus? Thank you!!!!
[/quote]

It was...but a long time ago. Look at Page 7, post 196 of this thread...mark suggests that it's the 120x if I'm not mistaken.
[/quote]
That was before 125 was out. I would suggest 125's as being a CTaper alternative. 120 is a bit of a love hate, for some it will be exactly what you want. For some you'll hate it. 125 I feel fits a wider audience.

I also agree with the statement above that the 105 is a more linear profile and the 105 will fit wider audiences as well. A lighter 125 if you will, 105 is going after PXi and CTaper lite users!
[/quote]

The 120TX's have been the best steel shafts I've ever used. I came from Ctaper X and DGX100 and I'll NEVER go back.
[/quote]

Although a different model and different comparison I echo how good these shafts are. I play the 130S and coming from Project X 6.5 they have the exact same flight and spin characteristics but with unbelievably amazing feel. I won't go near another shaft manufacturer after having these for a few months. I've said this before in this thread but if anyone wants to take the jump go for it this entire series is fantastic. Tons of good info in this thread as well it's very helpful for matching up what you currently use to something in the Modus profile.

[happc7]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1441732685' post='12281730']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1441732119' post='12281678']
[quote name='longleft' timestamp='1441121637' post='12245272']
[quote name='DNice26' timestamp='1441121258' post='12245230']
Sorry guys, I'm sure this may have been answered before, but what is the closest match to the CTaper S+ profile in the modus? Thank you!!!!
[/quote]

It was...but a long time ago. Look at Page 7, post 196 of this thread...mark suggests that it's the 120x if I'm not mistaken.
[/quote]
That was before 125 was out. I would suggest 125's as being a CTaper alternative. 120 is a bit of a love hate, for some it will be exactly what you want. For some you'll hate it. 125 I feel fits a wider audience.

I also agree with the statement above that the 105 is a more linear profile and the 105 will fit wider audiences as well. A lighter 125 if you will, 105 is going after PXi and CTaper lite users!
[/quote]

The 120TX's have been the best steel shafts I've ever used. I came from Ctaper X and DGX100 and I'll NEVER go back.
[/quote]

they took some getting used to for me but i am very happy with them coming form x100. the weight and profile feel great

[happc7]

[quote name='Bogey_Fly_By' timestamp='1440986909' post='12237058']
[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1440986556' post='12237020']Mark,
I have always played dg 300s until recently I had c-taper s+. They feel way to stiff. I hit the Nippon 1150 and liked the feel but lost too many right. Hit the 120x and seemed to provide good feel and better control. Which you think would be closure to dg 300s the 125s or 120x?[/quote]

The 125 is the closest to dg profile that Nippon has.
[/quote]

is the 125 weighting similar to x100? fairly balanced? playing 120tx now and it is definitely a more tip heavy shaft than dg.. which i like.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='happc7' timestamp='1441891420' post='12292724']
[quote name='Bogey_Fly_By' timestamp='1440986909' post='12237058']
[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1440986556' post='12237020']Mark,
I have always played dg 300s until recently I had c-taper s+. They feel way to stiff. I hit the Nippon 1150 and liked the feel but lost too many right. Hit the 120x and seemed to provide good feel and better control. Which you think would be closure to dg 300s the 125s or 120x?[/quote]

The 125 is the closest to dg profile that Nippon has.
[/quote]

is the 125 weighting similar to x100? fairly balanced? playing 120tx now and it is definitely a more tip heavy shaft than dg.. which i like.
[/quote]
IMO even better balance than X100. With DG I often felt it was a bit sluggish and I tended to get stuck a bit more with it. 125 I don't really notice that problem. X100's are 130, 125's are 129.5g so they are about equal. I just find the weight distribution to be more even and less noticeable with Nippon than DG.

[KPH808]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1441732685' post='12281730']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1441732119' post='12281678']
[quote name='longleft' timestamp='1441121637' post='12245272']
[quote name='DNice26' timestamp='1441121258' post='12245230']
Sorry guys, I'm sure this may have been answered before, but what is the closest match to the CTaper S+ profile in the modus? Thank you!!!!
[/quote]

It was...but a long time ago. Look at Page 7, post 196 of this thread...mark suggests that it's the 120x if I'm not mistaken.
[/quote]
That was before 125 was out. I would suggest 125's as being a CTaper alternative. 120 is a bit of a love hate, for some it will be exactly what you want. For some you'll hate it. 125 I feel fits a wider audience.

I also agree with the statement above that the 105 is a more linear profile and the 105 will fit wider audiences as well. A lighter 125 if you will, 105 is going after PXi and CTaper lite users!
[/quote]

The 120TX's have been the best steel shafts I've ever used. I came from Ctaper X and DGX100 and I'll NEVER go back.
[/quote]

Are you playing these hard stepped or straight in?

[stk123]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1441899416' post='12293482']
[quote name='happc7' timestamp='1441891420' post='12292724']
[quote name='Bogey_Fly_By' timestamp='1440986909' post='12237058']
[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1440986556' post='12237020']Mark,
I have always played dg 300s until recently I had c-taper s+. They feel way to stiff. I hit the Nippon 1150 and liked the feel but lost too many right. Hit the 120x and seemed to provide good feel and better control. Which you think would be closure to dg 300s the 125s or 120x?[/quote]

The 125 is the closest to dg profile that Nippon has.
[/quote]

is the 125 weighting similar to x100? fairly balanced? playing 120tx now and it is definitely a more tip heavy shaft than dg.. which i like.
[/quote]
IMO even better balance than X100. With DG I often felt it was a bit sluggish and I tended to get stuck a bit more with it. 125 I don't really notice that problem. X100's are 130, 125's are 129.5g so they are about equal. I just find the weight distribution to be more even and less noticeable with Nippon than DG.
[/quote]
Mark - what are your thoughts on the new modus wedge shafts? I couldn't find much info on them, but went ahead and order the Mizuno MP-T5 wedges with the Modus 125 Wedge Shaft. I wasn't sure whether I should go with the 115 or 125 for wedge.

I just got a set of Mizuno MP-4 with Modus 120X shafts in them and so far played two 18 hole rounds and one 9 hole round. Shot 72 and 73 on 18 holes, but did not play as well the 9 holes (didn't keep score as hit extra balls). Overall, those are very good scores for me and I am enjoying the modus shafts thus far. I feel like the 120X flight the ball high, but with a very flat/boring trajectory that doesn't balloon. It hasn't been very windy here yet, but I have hit a couple of high ones into a 5-10mph gust and they went longer than expected. Playing this weekend in a tournament. Saturday is supposed to be windier, so I will get a true test of what these shafts are made off.

Looking forward to your input on the modus wedge shafts. Did I make the right decision going with 125; they are not super stiff, are they?

[jj9000]

Sorry to report that my Nippon Modus experimentation is over.

I tried the following shafts:

120S (twice)
120X
130S

I settled on True Temper DG Pro S300 in my AP2 714s, which, I feel are downright surgical.

The Nippon shafts feel phenomenal (really like nothing I've ever swung), however, the DG Pro just flat outperform the Modus line [u][b]for me.[/b][/u]

[sethdavidsdad]

[quote name='stk123' timestamp='1441937763' post='12297182']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1441899416' post='12293482']
[quote name='happc7' timestamp='1441891420' post='12292724']
[quote name='Bogey_Fly_By' timestamp='1440986909' post='12237058']
[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1440986556' post='12237020']Mark,
I have always played dg 300s until recently I had c-taper s+. They feel way to stiff. I hit the Nippon 1150 and liked the feel but lost too many right. Hit the 120x and seemed to provide good feel and better control. Which you think would be closure to dg 300s the 125s or 120x?[/quote]

The 125 is the closest to dg profile that Nippon has.
[/quote]

is the 125 weighting similar to x100? fairly balanced? playing 120tx now and it is definitely a more tip heavy shaft than dg.. which i like.
[/quote]
IMO even better balance than X100. With DG I often felt it was a bit sluggish and I tended to get stuck a bit more with it. 125 I don't really notice that problem. X100's are 130, 125's are 129.5g so they are about equal. I just find the weight distribution to be more even and less noticeable with Nippon than DG.
[/quote]
Mark - what are your thoughts on the new modus wedge shafts? I couldn't find much info on them, but went ahead and order the Mizuno MP-T5 wedges with the Modus 125 Wedge Shaft. I wasn't sure whether I should go with the 115 or 125 for wedge.

I just got a set of Mizuno MP-4 with Modus 120X shafts in them and so far played two 18 hole rounds and one 9 hole round. Shot 72 and 73 on 18 holes, but did not play as well the 9 holes (didn't keep score as hit extra balls). Overall, those are very good scores for me and I am enjoying the modus shafts thus far. I feel like the 120X flight the ball high, but with a very flat/boring trajectory that doesn't balloon. It hasn't been very windy here yet, but I have hit a couple of high ones into a 5-10mph gust and they went longer than expected. Playing this weekend in a tournament. Saturday is supposed to be windier, so I will get a true test of what these shafts are made off.

Looking forward to your input on the modus wedge shafts. Did I make the right decision going with 125; they are not super stiff, are they?
[/quote]
Good to know.
I just ordered a set of MP5's and I have a set of 120x's that I'm going to put in them.

[Guv280984]

MP-25 built with Modus 3 125S and SM6 built with Modus 3 115 Wedge! Testing begins tomorrow...

[squishyy]

[quote name='jj9000' timestamp='1441979723' post='12298816']
Sorry to report that my Nippon Modus experimentation is over.

I tried the following shafts:

120S (twice)
120X
130S

I settled on True Temper DG Pro S300 in my AP2 714s, which, I feel are downright surgical.

The Nippon shafts feel phenomenal (really like nothing I've ever swung), however, the DG Pro just flat outperform the Modus line [u][b]for me.[/b][/u]
[/quote]


Jj, have you tried the 125s? It seems that you've tried the end of the spectrums but not in between. The 125s weighs quite similar to the s300. However if you feel the dg pro s300 fits you the best then stick to it! I just don't want to encourage the inner ho in all of us.

[GC70]

[quote name='Guv280984' timestamp='1442010034' post='12301466']
MP-25 built with Modus 3 125S and SM6 built with Modus 3 115 Wedge! Testing begins tomorrow...
[/quote]
Wow you already got the SM6's? Can't wait to hear how the 115's work out, should be a killer combo!

[rharvey3]

I switched from Nippon's to some Steelfibers, which do feel go, but I feel like I had better control with the Nippon's and will be going back with new irons next year!

[Mat905s]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1441732685' post='12281730']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1441732119' post='12281678']
[quote name='longleft' timestamp='1441121637' post='12245272']
[quote name='DNice26' timestamp='1441121258' post='12245230']
Sorry guys, I'm sure this may have been answered before, but what is the closest match to the CTaper S+ profile in the modus? Thank you!!!!
[/quote]

It was...but a long time ago. Look at Page 7, post 196 of this thread...mark suggests that it's the 120x if I'm not mistaken.
[/quote]
That was before 125 was out. I would suggest 125's as being a CTaper alternative. 120 is a bit of a love hate, for some it will be exactly what you want. For some you'll hate it. 125 I feel fits a wider audience.

I also agree with the statement above that the 105 is a more linear profile and the 105 will fit wider audiences as well. A lighter 125 if you will, 105 is going after PXi and CTaper lite users!
[/quote]

The 120TX's have been the best steel shafts I've ever used. I came from Ctaper X and DGX100 and I'll NEVER go back.
[/quote]

Can you compare the 120TX, C-Taper X and X-100? launch, spin, weight, feel, ...
I really liked the C-Taper X flight but did not like the feel... Obviously liked the feel of the X-100 but they spun too much... I've currently playin DGX7 softstepped once but since they're hard to find, I'm looking for alternative!
Thanks

[markheardjr]

[quote name='stk123' timestamp='1441937763' post='12297182']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1441899416' post='12293482']
[quote name='happc7' timestamp='1441891420' post='12292724']
[quote name='Bogey_Fly_By' timestamp='1440986909' post='12237058']
[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1440986556' post='12237020']Mark,
I have always played dg 300s until recently I had c-taper s+. They feel way to stiff. I hit the Nippon 1150 and liked the feel but lost too many right. Hit the 120x and seemed to provide good feel and better control. Which you think would be closure to dg 300s the 125s or 120x?[/quote]

The 125 is the closest to dg profile that Nippon has.
[/quote]

is the 125 weighting similar to x100? fairly balanced? playing 120tx now and it is definitely a more tip heavy shaft than dg.. which i like.
[/quote]
IMO even better balance than X100. With DG I often felt it was a bit sluggish and I tended to get stuck a bit more with it. 125 I don't really notice that problem. X100's are 130, 125's are 129.5g so they are about equal. I just find the weight distribution to be more even and less noticeable with Nippon than DG.
[/quote]
Mark - what are your thoughts on the new modus wedge shafts? I couldn't find much info on them, but went ahead and order the Mizuno MP-T5 wedges with the Modus 125 Wedge Shaft. I wasn't sure whether I should go with the 115 or 125 for wedge.

I just got a set of Mizuno MP-4 with Modus 120X shafts in them and so far played two 18 hole rounds and one 9 hole round. Shot 72 and 73 on 18 holes, but did not play as well the 9 holes (didn't keep score as hit extra balls). Overall, those are very good scores for me and I am enjoying the modus shafts thus far. I feel like the 120X flight the ball high, but with a very flat/boring trajectory that doesn't balloon. It hasn't been very windy here yet, but I have hit a couple of high ones into a 5-10mph gust and they went longer than expected. Playing this weekend in a tournament. Saturday is supposed to be windier, so I will get a true test of what these shafts are made off.

Looking forward to your input on the modus wedge shafts. Did I make the right decision going with 125; they are not super stiff, are they?
[/quote]

I have a lob wedge with the Wedge125 but I don't use it much. I only play 52/56 which I have either C10 proto S or Tour125 X iron shafts in at any given moment. Can't decide which I want to stick with. I currently have the C10 S in my SW because I like the heavy weight for going through rough and sand. The Tour125 X iron shaft is also a great shaft and I use it in my 52° gap because it has a firmer tip and it keeps the spin down a little. It also matches my irons. I like to use my 52 to roll out and the Tour125 iron shaft helps me do that. On full swings it just lands and sits. On chips and pitches it releases. My sand wedge with the C10 will spin back on full shots or check on chips/pitches and I like the versatility of being able to do either. (My next experiment is to flip it and use C10 S in 52 and Tour125 X in my 56 and see if I want to keep it blended or move to use the same shaft in both wedges.)

Back on topic, the Wedge 125 has a bit more action in the lower middle section than the iron version of the 125. It's a like a more active S400/S300, closer to an S200 feel IMO but it is 133g so it is comparable weight to the DG S200/S300/S400 which are all between 129g and 132g. As advertised it is a bit lower launch and bit higher spin which to me lines up well with the Tour120 iron shaft. I can't stand the DG Spinner with the softer upper mid section and I'd consider the Modus wedge 125 to be kind of close to that shaft which is also billed as a lower launch higher spin shaft. Nippon just moves the softer section lower in the shaft which makes it feel a touch more stable to me than the DG Spinner but still not ideal for what I like to feel.

I like to have a bit of a heavier hefty feel to my wedge shafts and the Modus Wedge 125 just feels a touch too light to me. So I would say it feels lighter than it actually is. I prefer it 100% over the original WV125 for sure. No question there. It is a touch soft for me. I've voiced my suggestion to Nippon I'd like to see the C10 proto released as a 135 wedge. I think it is a perfect shaft for the S400 type user looking for something heavy and tight. It is closer feeling to a SPB wedge shaft maybe.

And no Nippon wedge comment is complete without mentioning the Tour130 iron shaft. The S flex feels pretty good in a wedge and offers a higher balance point with a softer tip so you get high spinny shots. There are a few Tour130 shafts in wedges on tour.

For wedges I'd say:
Lower launch lower spin - Original WV 125 or SPB Wedge shaft
Lower launch mid-spin - Tour120
Lower launch higher spin - Modus Wedge
Mid launch Mid spin - Tour125
Higher Launch mid spin - Tour130

[KPH808]

^ As always some great insight from Mark.

I currently play WV 125 in my Vokeys (need to update sig) and they are great wedge shafts. Feel is awesome and will continue to play them in my wedges.

[Torrey4Life]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1442422749' post='12322454']
[/quote]

Mark, would love your thoughts here.

I currently game MP54s, and I have the modus 3 120 stiff shafts in them. I feel like esp with my longer irons (4/5) that I have a big tendency to fan shots out to the right, this tells me that they are not stiff enough because at my swing speed the clubface doesn't have time to close fully (I'm a 10hdcp, so decent ballstriker). I do have a decent amount of clubhead speed, when I was getting my driver/woods fitted at Fujikura I was clocked around 110 mph with the driver.

I used to game KBS Tour 135g (I think) X-flex and I felt like those were pretty good for me, I just went away from them as I wanted something lighter.

I want to go back to X flex - and I love how my 120s feel, for whatever reason I just seem to swing smoother with them. Do you have any recommendations?

Here's a swing vid from about 6 months ago (I haven't changed that much since then) if it helps at all: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTUycLTo64"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RCTUycLTo64[/url]

Also, you have any hookups if I do decide to get a set of something new? :p

[slicktry]

I gamed some 120X's and thought they were horrible. didn't like the feel or dispersion. However, I keep hearing good things about the TX models.... Going to be probably installing a set soon. This year I've gamed X7, C Taper X, C Taper X SS, DG Pro X100, KBS Tour S, DG X100 and have sets with Nippon S.P. Blue & DG L X100.

God Bless
Jer

[DNice26]

My head pro let me play a round today with his 120X (AP2s). I shot 75 and hit some nice ones. The initial launch is lower than my S+ CTapers, but the peak height was higher and a bit higher spin. I enjoyed them in general, but not sure if I would switch based on one round.

[cameronprine]

I need some help here. 6 iron SS of 100, average carry of 210. I am playing TTDG SL X100 in a set of Vapor Pro's, because I tend to prefer a lighter iron shaft. I launch this shaft so low with a lot of spin, and Im looking for something to raise up the launch, drop the spin some and still feel like I wont overpower the shaft.Any reccomendations?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='cameronprine' timestamp='1442813932' post='12342684']
I need some help here. 6 iron SS of 100, average carry of 210. I am playing TTDG SL X100 in a set of Vapor Pro's, because I tend to prefer a lighter iron shaft. I launch this shaft so low with a lot of spin, and Im looking for something to raise up the launch, drop the spin some and still feel like I wont overpower the shaft.Any reccomendations?
[/quote]

Looks like you're bringing some heat! 130X seems like the perfect fit. Higher launch and lower/mid spin. If it feels a bit too stiff you could also try 130S hard-stepped. Also possibly Tour125 X hard-stepped once. I think 130 is the best model to do what you're trying to do, but I think the 125X hss1 will feel closest to what you're used to and get you in the right direction.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='neilcsd' timestamp='1442701592' post='12336542']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1442422749' post='12322454']
[/quote]

Mark, would love your thoughts here.

I currently game MP54s, and I have the modus 3 120 stiff shafts in them. I feel like esp with my longer irons (4/5) that I have a big tendency to fan shots out to the right, this tells me that they are not stiff enough because at my swing speed the clubface doesn't have time to close fully (I'm a 10hdcp, so decent ballstriker). I do have a decent amount of clubhead speed, when I was getting my driver/woods fitted at Fujikura I was clocked around 110 mph with the driver.

I used to game KBS Tour 135g (I think) X-flex and I felt like those were pretty good for me, I just went away from them as I wanted something lighter.

I want to go back to X flex - and I love how my 120s feel, for whatever reason I just seem to swing smoother with them. Do you have any recommendations?

Here's a swing vid from about 6 months ago (I haven't changed that much since then) if it helps at all: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTUycLTo64"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RCTUycLTo64[/url]

Also, you have any hookups if I do decide to get a set of something new? :p
[/quote]


I am by no means an expert in swing mechanics or anything like that. But, my jr high level attempt at looking at your equipment on film I'd say the following. From the video it seems you might be getting out in front a touch and the head is lagging behind, leaves it in an open position with the hosel leading (not good, can result in thinned skulls to the right or hosel rockets!) (FYI, this is my problem when trying Tour120! ahah.) My guess is the shaft butt is a touch soft for your swing. Not sure if that is the 120S in there or not, but it looks like it based upon the curvature of the top of the shaft (Look at that bend I highlighted in the red circle.)

If you like the feel of the 120S I might suggest going up a flex to the 120X. Stenson plays 120X straight in and I doubt you're hitting it harder/farther than he is! You may want to hardstep 120X once to firm up the feel just a bit but that is more feel preference than performance.

Edit: I love seeing the EI bend profile of the 120 shaft in this video! I added some little notes to show the soft butt section, stiffer mid and stiffer tip of the 120.

[attachment=2963290:Swing1.jpg]

[NRJyzr]

[quote name='neilcsd' timestamp='1442701592' post='12336542']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1442422749' post='12322454']
[/quote]

Mark, would love your thoughts here.

I currently game MP54s, and I have the modus 3 120 stiff shafts in them. [color=#ff0000][b]I feel like esp with my longer irons (4/5) that I have a big tendency to fan shots out to the right, this tells me that they are not stiff enough because at my swing speed the clubface doesn't have time to close fully[/b][/color] (I'm a 10hdcp, so decent ballstriker). I do have a decent amount of clubhead speed, when I was getting my driver/woods fitted at Fujikura I was clocked around 110 mph with the driver.

I used to game KBS Tour 135g (I think) X-flex and I felt like those were pretty good for me, I just went away from them as I wanted something lighter.

I want to go back to X flex - and I love how my 120s feel, for whatever reason I just seem to swing smoother with them. Do you have any recommendations?

Here's a swing vid from about 6 months ago (I haven't changed that much since then) if it helps at all: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTUycLTo64"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RCTUycLTo64[/url]

Also, you have any hookups if I do decide to get a set of something new? :p
[/quote]


Mark already answered the shaft portion, but I wanted to address the part above that I'm bolding in red. It's something I ran into myself, in the early days of golf forums...

OK, we've all heard how the classic result of using a too soft shaft is to hit a hook, because the shaft is flexing forward too much. And, the classic "weak fade" results of using a shaft too stiff.

There was much discussion back in the day of those seeing shots go to the right, on shafts that were too soft. Many assumed, because of the above commonly accepted line of thought, that these shafts must not be too soft, but too stiff, because of the shots producing fades. However, these fades were high right misses (enter the right handed bias of my post), instead of low right.

High speed video helped show what was happening.

For smoother swingers, it's almost always the case that the hooks are results of too soft shafts. However, for those who were more hitters of the ball, with harder tempos, the too soft shaft could cause the high right. The video showed in the swing, the shaft had already long since flexed forward, and was actually flexing back, beginning a second cycle of flex. Or third, in some cases, if not more.

Sorry for the brief threadjack, just seeing the above was a memory trigger of old posts/threads from many years ago.

[jj9000]

[quote name='squishyy' timestamp='1442079517' post='12304298']
[quote name='jj9000' timestamp='1441979723' post='12298816']
Sorry to report that my Nippon Modus experimentation is over.

I tried the following shafts:

120S (twice)
120X
130S

I settled on True Temper DG Pro S300 in my AP2 714s, which, I feel are downright surgical.

The Nippon shafts feel phenomenal (really like nothing I've ever swung), however, the DG Pro just flat outperform the Modus line [u][b]for me.[/b][/u]
[/quote]


Jj, have you tried the 125s? It seems that you've tried the end of the spectrums but not in between. The 125s weighs quite similar to the s300. However if you feel the dg pro s300 fits you the best then stick to it! I just don't want to encourage the inner ho in all of us.
[/quote]

Nope.

Unless someone has a demo 125, I'm done experimenting.

The Nippon Modus line of shafts are great shafts, and in the right hands I'm sure they're deadly.

However, DG Pro S300 will be in the bag for the foreseeable future.

[tap in birdie]

I switched to them early this season. Love them. Guess the pros are liking them too

[Torrey4Life]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1442847496' post='12344066']
[quote name='neilcsd' timestamp='1442701592' post='12336542']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1442422749' post='12322454']
[/quote]

Mark, would love your thoughts here.

I currently game MP54s, and I have the modus 3 120 stiff shafts in them. I feel like esp with my longer irons (4/5) that I have a big tendency to fan shots out to the right, this tells me that they are not stiff enough because at my swing speed the clubface doesn't have time to close fully (I'm a 10hdcp, so decent ballstriker). I do have a decent amount of clubhead speed, when I was getting my driver/woods fitted at Fujikura I was clocked around 110 mph with the driver.

I used to game KBS Tour 135g (I think) X-flex and I felt like those were pretty good for me, I just went away from them as I wanted something lighter.

I want to go back to X flex - and I love how my 120s feel, for whatever reason I just seem to swing smoother with them. Do you have any recommendations?

Here's a swing vid from about 6 months ago (I haven't changed that much since then) if it helps at all: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTUycLTo64"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RCTUycLTo64[/url]

Also, you have any hookups if I do decide to get a set of something new? :p
[/quote]


I am by no means an expert in swing mechanics or anything like that. But, my jr high level attempt at looking at your equipment on film I'd say the following. From the video it seems you might be getting out in front a touch and the head is lagging behind, leaves it in an open position with the hosel leading (not good, can result in thinned skulls to the right or hosel rockets!) (FYI, this is my problem when trying Tour120! ahah.) My guess is the shaft butt is a touch soft for your swing. Not sure if that is the 120S in there or not, but it looks like it based upon the curvature of the top of the shaft (Look at that bend I highlighted in the red circle.)

If you like the feel of the 120S I might suggest going up a flex to the 120X. Stenson plays 120X straight in and I doubt you're hitting it harder/farther than he is! You may want to hardstep 120X once to firm up the feel just a bit but that is more feel preference than performance.

Edit: I love seeing the EI bend profile of the 120 shaft in this video! I added some little notes to show the soft butt section, stiffer mid and stiffer tip of the 120.

[attachment=2963290:Swing1.jpg]
[/quote]

Yep, that's the 120s. And oddly enough - I had a run of hosel rockets this past Friday that caused me to walk away from the bucket I was just starting and I haven't touched a bucket since then out of fear. I had no idea what the heck was going on - everything felt great until the ball jumped hard right on me.

Also it's pretty incredible to see the shaft flex that much, wow.

Thank you so much!

[Torrey4Life]

[quote name='NRJyzr' timestamp='1442848616' post='12344206']
[quote name='neilcsd' timestamp='1442701592' post='12336542']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1442422749' post='12322454']
[/quote]

Mark, would love your thoughts here.

I currently game MP54s, and I have the modus 3 120 stiff shafts in them. [color=#ff0000][b]I feel like esp with my longer irons (4/5) that I have a big tendency to fan shots out to the right, this tells me that they are not stiff enough because at my swing speed the clubface doesn't have time to close fully[/b][/color] (I'm a 10hdcp, so decent ballstriker). I do have a decent amount of clubhead speed, when I was getting my driver/woods fitted at Fujikura I was clocked around 110 mph with the driver.

I used to game KBS Tour 135g (I think) X-flex and I felt like those were pretty good for me, I just went away from them as I wanted something lighter.

I want to go back to X flex - and I love how my 120s feel, for whatever reason I just seem to swing smoother with them. Do you have any recommendations?

Here's a swing vid from about 6 months ago (I haven't changed that much since then) if it helps at all: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTUycLTo64"]https://www.youtube....h?v=RCTUycLTo64[/url]

Also, you have any hookups if I do decide to get a set of something new? :p
[/quote]


Mark already answered the shaft portion, but I wanted to address the part above that I'm bolding in red. It's something I ran into myself, in the early days of golf forums...

OK, we've all heard how the classic result of using a too soft shaft is to hit a hook, because the shaft is flexing forward too much. And, the classic "weak fade" results of using a shaft too stiff.

There was much discussion back in the day of those seeing shots go to the right, on shafts that were too soft. Many assumed, because of the above commonly accepted line of thought, that these shafts must not be too soft, but too stiff, because of the shots producing fades. However, these fades were high right misses (enter the right handed bias of my post), instead of low right.

High speed video helped show what was happening.

For smoother swingers, it's almost always the case that the hooks are results of too soft shafts. However, for those who were more hitters of the ball, with harder tempos, the too soft shaft could cause the high right. The video showed in the swing, the shaft had already long since flexed forward, and was actually flexing back, beginning a second cycle of flex. Or third, in some cases, if not more.

Sorry for the brief threadjack, just seeing the above was a memory trigger of old posts/threads from many years ago.
[/quote]

Thank you for the great response!

The thing you said about the shaft going through flex cycles reminded me of something. Every once in a while I'd put a good swing on the ball, but the sound of the ball coming off would be more of a metallic snap, kind of like you'd expect if you hit an extreme toe shot. Except, it wasn't off the toe. Ball flight would be wonky. You think those shots can be explained by this? I am guessing that one "flex cycle" is what's ideal, and that based on the info you have you agree that the 120S is way too soft for me?

Thanks!

[NRJyzr]

[quote name='neilcsd' timestamp='1442872077' post='12346394']
The thing you said about the shaft going through flex cycles reminded me of something. Every once in a while I'd put a good swing on the ball, but the sound of the ball coming off would be more of a metallic snap, kind of like you'd expect if you hit an extreme toe shot. Except, it wasn't off the toe. Ball flight would be wonky. You think those shots can be explained by this? I am guessing that one "flex cycle" is what's ideal, and that based on the info you have you agree that the 120S is way too soft for me?

Thanks!
[/quote]


IMHO, because you were able to play KBS Tour in X, you're definitely a candidate for 120X, and you might even be a candidate for 120TX. It might require some testing to be sure.

In the first 10 pages of this thread, Dscvrr St Louis posted about his having tried the 120TX, coming from C Taper S+. He reported having success with them. Later in the thread, I believe he reported taking a shot with the 130 as well as the new 125. Don't remember which flexes in each, it might be listed in his sig (I think page 6 is a good starting point to see his comments).

I'm not sure about the snap sound you're talking about, but a funky result is definitely in play for shafts too soft. Something I know a bit too much about, LOL.

[slickca21]

I just got a set of the modus 105. Has anyone has any experience with them yet?

[GC70]

[quote name='slickca21' timestamp='1442880087' post='12347050']
I just got a set of the modus 105. Has anyone has any experience with them yet?
[/quote]
I'd love to hear more about these!

[ALIF]

So I've followed this thread for a while but am wondering if the main difference between the 105 and 1050 is the launch? Seems like the 1050 will launch slightly higher? I play x100 ss x1 now but want to launch the 3 and 4 irons a bit higher.