Could a 12 handicapper....

[govols]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427937461' post='11265511'][quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427937242' post='11265467']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427932664' post='11264843']
Why does everyone ask you for a link? Where are all the blade lovers side by side trackman data with cavity backs to prove their points? Right, they also don't have any.
[/quote]

Because Trackman will never trump on course play......EVER
[/quote]

But it will deliver the truth, which you all have such a difficult time doing.

I'm sorry Exactice. I like you, and your posts, but as a 12 or whatever you are, are you really suggesting that your on course experience is more relevant to whether or not it's easier to play a blade than the most advanced technology we have to measure ball striking in the industry today?[/quote]

Trackman is a tool used to analyze swing, equipment, ball flight etc but has nothing to do with scoring.

[Titleist 670]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427937566' post='11265521']

Seems to be misunderstood by some

[/quote]

Well, not by me. Flush shots are incredibly rare given how I play and how often I play.

[Nine Miler]

I see what you did there, govols.

[dog flog]

[quote name='f22beaver' timestamp='1427936840' post='11265415']
I come to these forums to ignore crap about engineering, which includes DOE's. Let me ignore work and say stupid stuff on forums like how I think a 26 index should play MB's!!!!
[/quote]How about this? Hey, nice pants buddy, I didn't know the clown college had a golf team! Better?

[govols]

[quote name='Titleist 670' timestamp='1427937781' post='11265557'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427937566' post='11265521']

Seems to be misunderstood by some

[/quote]

Well, not by me. Flush shots are incredibly rare given how I play and how often I play.[/quote]

Wasn't singling you out just used your post to relay a point.

[govols]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427937805' post='11265561']I see what you did there, govols.[/quote]

It wouldn't even take trackman to resolve this.

[Exactice808]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427937461' post='11265511']

But it will deliver the truth, which you all have such a difficult time doing.

I'm sorry Exactice. I like you, and your posts, but as a 12 or whatever you are, are you really suggesting that your on course experience is more relevant to whether or [b]not it's easier to play a blade than the most advanced technology we have to measure ball striking in the industry today?[/b]
[/quote]


NO NO absolutely not.... I am not saying this.... What I am saying is for whatever reason some people regardless of the handicap can ply better with X clubs than X clubs no matter how much technology or manufactures or Trackman can say.

The only definitive way to say so is to take it to the course and play and let the scores do the talking not what a machine that calculates what the shot could do.


[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427937759' post='11265549']

Trackman is a tool used to analyze swing, equipment, ball flight etc but has nothing to do with scoring.
[/quote]

Granted it is a tool just like working the ball so its up to you to use it! I get it so you dont need work ability I get it...... there is nothing wrong with that! While I have never used a trackman, dont have access to a trackman nor do I have the funds to get one myself, so I dont think I will ever use a trackman!

[Exactice808]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427937242' post='11265467']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427932664' post='11264843']
Why does everyone ask you for a link? Where are all the blade lovers side by side trackman data with cavity backs to prove their points? Right, they also don't have any.
[/quote]

Because Trackman will never trump on course play......EVER

Perfect once or twice a year? really??


9/10 Acceptable shots.... 9 out of 10 Acceptable shots.... NINE of TEN Acceptable shots NINE times out of TEN Times I will swing my Irons and the ball will go in the area and in the way I anticipated it would go, I will not hole out or stick the pin to 2 ft, but I will be putting or giving myself another chance with a putter or a wedge.....


How much more do I need to spell out that no I do not pure it everytime but my shots are playable and not chunks, fats, thins, shanks, hooks.. they go....


Im going to hate myself as another member got flamed, but I will do a Go Pro video un cut of consecutive swings with different clubs and let you be the judge of where i hit the ball...


actually wait....


here is a video from 6 months ago.... prior to my game improving and you can see the ball flight.....all shots in respectable distance and direction no where near shanks skanks, fats, chunks bumps whatever you wanna call it...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0X8yBKI6GI"]https://www.youtube....h?v=f0X8yBKI6GI[/url]


ok flame suit on as I am sure I will get torn apart but whatevers if you feel that my ball striking is terrible well...... I wonder what good ball striking really is?
[/quote]


BUMP edit quote for Nine...... just to keep the conversation going no offense taken by anyone!

[govols]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427938156' post='11265617'][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427937461' post='11265511']

But it will deliver the truth, which you all have such a difficult time doing.

I'm sorry Exactice. I like you, and your posts, but as a 12 or whatever you are, are you really suggesting that your on course experience is more relevant to whether or [b]not it's easier to play a blade than the most advanced technology we have to measure ball striking in the industry today?[/b]
[/quote]


NO NO absolutely not.... I am not saying this.... What I am saying is for whatever reason some people regardless of the handicap can ply better with X clubs than X clubs no matter how much technology or manufactures or Trackman can say.

The only definitive way to say so is to take it to the course and play and let the scores do the talking not what a machine that calculates what the shot could do.


[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427937759' post='11265549']

Trackman is a tool used to analyze swing, equipment, ball flight etc but has nothing to do with scoring.
[/quote]

Granted it is a tool just like working the ball so its up to you to use it! I get it so you dont need work ability I get it...... there is nothing wrong with that! While I have never used a trackman, dont have access to a trackman nor do I have the funds to get one myself, so I dont think I will ever use a trackman![/quote]

Sorry to inform you but you can "work" any club not just a MB.

[Titleist 670]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427937887' post='11265581']
[quote name='Titleist 670' timestamp='1427937781' post='11265557'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427937566' post='11265521']
Seems to be misunderstood by some

[/quote]

Well, not by me. Flush shots are incredibly rare given how I play and how often I play.[/quote]

Wasn't singling you out just used your post to relay a point.
[/quote]

Don't worry I wasn't offended.

On another note, I think one important thing to mention in this thread is how a scratch golfer perceives a 10 or so cap, and how a 10 or so cap perceives a 20+.

In general, a legit 10 cap is better than the overwhelming majority of the golfing population. They will think they are solid ballstrikers, because honestly they're probably better than a lot of people who do play.

Therefore, it's really odd when a scratch or someone says their ballstriking isn't that good, because they're probably used to seeing that it's better than a lot of people.

However, if a 25 capper told a 10 capper that they were able to work a set of X irons better, the 10 capper would probably wonder about it too. It's kind of all relative.

[Exactice808]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427938248' post='11265645']
[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427938156' post='11265617'][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427937461' post='11265511']
But it will deliver the truth, which you all have such a difficult time doing.

I'm sorry Exactice. I like you, and your posts, but as a 12 or whatever you are, are you really suggesting that your on course experience is more relevant to whether or [b]not it's easier to play a blade than the most advanced technology we have to measure ball striking in the industry today?[/b]
[/quote]


NO NO absolutely not.... I am not saying this.... What I am saying is for whatever reason some people regardless of the handicap can ply better with X clubs than X clubs no matter how much technology or manufactures or Trackman can say.

The only definitive way to say so is to take it to the course and play and let the scores do the talking not what a machine that calculates what the shot could do.


[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427937759' post='11265549']
Trackman is a tool used to analyze swing, equipment, ball flight etc but has nothing to do with scoring.
[/quote]

Granted it is a tool just like working the ball so its up to you to use it! I get it so you dont need work ability I get it...... there is nothing wrong with that! While I have never used a trackman, dont have access to a trackman nor do I have the funds to get one myself, so I dont think I will ever use a trackman![/quote]

Sorry to inform you but you can "work" any club not just a MB.
[/quote]

Yes yes, sorry I agree with you on this one..... but.... and I am going to hate myself ... but by manufacture stand point "Ultimate Shot Control Ability"

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1420512201' post='10692663']

Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:33 AM
One last tid bit........... Not at OP but to future posters.....

Every site I have gone to..... looked at MB's....... they have a specific market that they are looking for....... and its spelt out pretty well......

"The MP-4 is the purest of forged muscle backs for shot-makers seeking the[b] ultimate control [/b]over their ball flight."

[url="http://www.mizunousa.com/golf/products/mp-4-iron#.VJHnFXsnW3M"]http://www.mizunousa...on#.VJHnFXsnW3M[/url]

"The Nike Vapor Pro Irons are designed for skilled players seeking a low, penetrating ball flight for [b]optimum control [/b]and accuracy."

[url="http://store.nike.com/us/en_us/pd/vapor-pro-irons-golf-club-set/pid-10260156/pgid-10260157"]http://store.nike.co...6/pgid-10260157[/url]

"Titleist[sub]®[/sub] MB irons are high performance, tour-proven forged blade irons that offer[b] maximum shot control[/b]"

[url="http://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/irons/MB.aspx"]http://www.titleist....s/irons/MB.aspx[/url]

"Tour inspired blades with [b]playability[/b] in our most premium forged design, and if you're an elite player, they need to be in your bag."
[url="http://www.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/mens/irons%2Fcombo-sets/irons-2014-apex-mb.html"]http://www.callawayg...14-apex-mb.html[/url]

[b]Edited by Exactice808, 17 December 2014 - 10:36 AM.[/b]
[/quote]

[Nine Miler]

Exactice, just watched your video. Flight seems absolutely fine from what I can tell. I can't say if it would be better or worse with anything else. Is that about a 7 iron or so? Seems fine to me.

You'd be surprised how often I do not hit it pure based on most of the comments I make, but there are times I feel like I am just slapping it around the course.

[govols]

Without quoting all of that, that depends ultimate solid contact.

Nice swing btw

[Exactice808]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938569' post='11265691']
Exactice, just watched your video. Flight seems absolutely fine from what I can tell. I can't say if it would be better or worse with anything else. Is that about a 7 iron or so? Seems fine to me.

You'd be surprised how often I do not hit it pure based on most of the comments I make, but there are times I feel like I am just slapping it around the course.
[/quote]

Thanks Nine & Govel.... Yups 7 iron out the 150 marker..... Flight was fine and consistent no blading or chunking or toes or heels.....and can you imagine that was 6 months ago so would it assume to say I have gotten better with more play and practice time?

Again....Not all 12's are terrible ball strikers..... yes not pure but acceptable playable shots. I would say with in a 20ft circle..........and that is being generous as isnt the Pro average like 30ft or something?

[Nine Miler]

Yea, if you're hitting in a 20 foot circle, you got other serious problems to be a 12. Lol!

[Exactice808]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938799' post='11265719']
Yea, if you're hitting in a 20 foot circle, you got other serious problems to be a 12. Lol!
[/quote]

42 gawt damn putts......... 2 4 putts and 2 3putts.... I got issues.... Yes I do!

[dog flog]

[quote name='dog flog' timestamp='1427937872' post='11265573']
[quote name='f22beaver' timestamp='1427936840' post='11265415']
I come to these forums to ignore crap about engineering, which includes DOE's. Let me ignore work and say stupid stuff on forums like how I think a 26 index should play MB's!!!!
[/quote]How about this? Hey, nice pants buddy, I didn't know the clown college had a golf team! Better?
[/quote]I sincerely apologize if those are actually your pants. I wouldn't laugh at a man just because he was wearing clown pants. Clown pants and a bag of blades, maybe.

[Nine Miler]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427938866' post='11265727']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938799' post='11265719']
Yea, if you're hitting in a 20 foot circle, you got other serious problems to be a 12. Lol!
[/quote]

42 gawt damn putts......... 2 4 putts and 2 3putts.... I got issues.... Yes I do!
[/quote]

Read "putting out of your mind" it's by Rotella. Skip the Dave Pelz noise.

[MtlJeff]

18 pages.. Good Lord

Are you guys aware the dufners are getting divorced?

[Exactice808]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938958' post='11265745']
[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427938866' post='11265727']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938799' post='11265719']
Yea, if you're hitting in a 20 foot circle, you got other serious problems to be a 12. Lol!
[/quote]

42 gawt damn putts......... 2 4 putts and 2 3putts.... I got issues.... Yes I do!
[/quote]

Read "putting out of your mind" it's by Rotella. Skip the Dave Pelz noise.
[/quote]

I have Rotellas, Putting DVDs.... I got everything... I just got the putting yips.......

[Titleist 670]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427938866' post='11265727']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938799' post='11265719']
Yea, if you're hitting in a 20 foot circle, you got other serious problems to be a 12. Lol!
[/quote]

42 gawt damn putts......... 2 4 putts and 2 3putts.... I got issues.... Yes I do!
[/quote]

I think the best putting advice ever is to just keep your head down after you make the stroke, especially on short putts.

That, and don't worry about the result.

[Exactice808]

OK OK its not about me..... Sorry just had to throw it out there..... Back to it gents! Cavity Sucks Blades all the way

[Nine Miler]

Exactice I can't quote that post for some reason, but in the post with the manufacturers copy that you've bolded...

Skilled players, elite players, shotmakers... No offense, but do you think that's applicable to a 12 handicap? I know you don't think that part is applicable.

[govols]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427939171' post='11265765'][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938958' post='11265745']
[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427938866' post='11265727']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938799' post='11265719']
Yea, if you're hitting in a 20 foot circle, you got other serious problems to be a 12. Lol!
[/quote]

42 gawt damn putts......... 2 4 putts and 2 3putts.... I got issues.... Yes I do!
[/quote]

Read "putting out of your mind" it's by Rotella. Skip the Dave Pelz noise.
[/quote]

I have Rotellas, Putting DVDs.... I got everything... I just got the putting yips.......[/quote]

That should be an easy fix

[Nine Miler]

So Amanda Dufner plays blades or what? Or she is just more likely to gold-dig someone who plays blades? Does Duf play blades? I don't think so, so maybe I've got a chance!

[Exactice808]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427939426' post='11265799']
Exactice I can't quote that post for some reason, but in the post with the manufacturers copy that you've bolded...

Skilled players, elite players, shotmakers... No offense, but do you think that's applicable to a 12 handicap? I know you don't think that part is applicable.
[/quote]

AHHHHH. just being an @$$hole here... but skilled / elite is very much self evaluated.....

I do think I am a skilled player.... not elite... but skilled.... I am a shot maker, as I am able to do certain shots.....

I play with an 8 handicap, he is a 1 way player.... low hooded bump and runs all day and he is an 8. He is the best damn 8 I know of with a one way shot. But he has to avoid certain course and sandtraps or he is screwed. I dont want to be a 1 way player were I have to avoid X course and bunkers because I cant score......


but yes yes... it is marked for the "Better" Players.... but a scratch pretty much had to be a 12 when they started and progressively got better... Now I will say if I got Stuck here for the next 3 years... I think I would quit.... but I think I will still be getting progressively better. I hope to reach singles by the end of the year....

[dog flog]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1427938962' post='11265747']
18 pages.. Good Lord

Are you guys aware the dufners are getting divorced?
[/quote]There's things going on in the world outside this thread? I've gone through lunch a bag of popcorn, dinner and two drinks on this thread. And did they mention what type of irons Amanda plays?

[cliffhanger]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427939171' post='11265765']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938958' post='11265745']
[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427938866' post='11265727']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427938799' post='11265719']
Yea, if you're hitting in a 20 foot circle, you got other serious problems to be a 12. Lol!
[/quote]

42 gawt damn putts......... 2 4 putts and 2 3putts.... I got issues.... Yes I do!
[/quote]

Read "putting out of your mind" it's by Rotella. Skip the Dave Pelz noise.
[/quote]

I have Rotellas, Putting DVDs.... I got everything... I just got the putting yips.......
[/quote]try putting the opposite way and cross handed

[Nine Miler]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427939701' post='11265859']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427939426' post='11265799']
Exactice I can't quote that post for some reason, but in the post with the manufacturers copy that you've bolded...

Skilled players, elite players, shotmakers... No offense, but do you think that's applicable to a 12 handicap? I know you don't think that part is applicable.
[/quote]

AHHHHH. just being an @$$hole here... but skilled / elite is very much self evaluated.....

I do think I am a skilled player.... not elite... but skilled.... I am a shot maker, as I am able to do certain shots.....

I play with an 8 handicap, he is a 1 way player.... low hooded bump and runs all day and he is an 8. He is the best damn 8 I know of with a one way shot. But he has to avoid certain course and sandtraps or he is screwed. I dont want to be a 1 way player were I have to avoid X course and bunkers because I cant score......


but yes yes... it is marked for the "Better" Players.... but a scratch pretty much had to be a 12 when they started and progressively got better... Now I will say if I got Stuck here for the next 3 years... I think I would quit.... but I think I will still be getting progressively better. I hope to reach singles by the end of the year....
[/quote]

No offense, you are not yet skilled, or a shotmaker. You could be though. Here's some wild news. 95% of the pros I have ever seen/who have been my peers/you watch on tv/ have a one way shot. I do too.

None of these guys are working shots unless it is to go around an obstacle. It doesn't mean they can't, it just means they realize it doesn't help their score. In fact it hurts it. If it helped, they would move it both ways.

[Titleist 670]

Amanda is hot but seems like she would be an absolute trainwreck to be married to.