Could a 12 handicapper....

[govols]

[quote name='fairwaysroverated' timestamp='1427928603' post='11264519'][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427928015' post='11264461']
It's because we are good hearted people and don't like to see hackers punishing themselves. We want to help, but only when we are asked, which is what happened when a 12 handicapper asked if he should play clubs that most tour pros shy away from.

My categorization of hacker is really wide, so don't worry, it's not just the 90s shooters. It's also the 80s shooters, and most of the 70s shooters.
[/quote]I see allot of people say tour shooters shy away from blades, but always see them in the WITB.[/quote]

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.

[Nine Miler]

[quote name='Jon H' timestamp='1427928547' post='11264509']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427928015' post='11264461']
My categorization of hacker is really wide, so don't worry, it's not just the 90s shooters. It's also the 80s shooters, and most of the 70s shooters.
[/quote]

Your arrogance is astounding. I hope the emote thing was an indication you were joking.
[/quote]

It was. Though sometimes I'm a little arrogant, I'll admit.

[Exactice808]

[quote name='fairwaysroverated' timestamp='1427928828' post='11264533']
One thing I can say about a skull shot with a GI like my I25's is this. I had a shot carrying all water about 170 to the green due to a bad drive it left a bad angle into the green. I thinned my 7iron pretty bad, but it flew low and onto the green and actually stayed on the green. The same shot with a blade would have been in the water. Anyway, it was for the money and the club did bail me out there.
[/quote]

No that was just a lucky shot....a skull is still a skull... lets not talk about our lucky shots, cause I can say I had those with my blades too. I am talking about a legit bad shot...... Its still a bad shot...

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427928833' post='11264535']
[quote name='fairwaysroverated' timestamp='1427928603' post='11264519'][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427928015' post='11264461']
It's because we are good hearted people and don't like to see hackers punishing themselves. We want to help, but only when we are asked, which is what happened when a 12 handicapper asked if he should play clubs that most tour pros shy away from.

My categorization of hacker is really wide, so don't worry, it's not just the 90s shooters. It's also the 80s shooters, and most of the 70s shooters.
[/quote]I see allot of people say tour shooters shy away from blades, but always see them in the WITB.[/quote]

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. [b]80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.[/b]
[/quote]


And I still ask.... WHAT is the problem with this?

[fairwaysRoverated]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427928833' post='11264535']
[quote name='fairwaysroverated' timestamp='1427928603' post='11264519'][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427928015' post='11264461']
It's because we are good hearted people and don't like to see hackers punishing themselves. We want to help, but only when we are asked, which is what happened when a 12 handicapper asked if he should play clubs that most tour pros shy away from.

My categorization of hacker is really wide, so don't worry, it's not just the 90s shooters. It's also the 80s shooters, and most of the 70s shooters.
[/quote]I see allot of people say tour shooters shy away from blades, but always see them in the WITB.[/quote]

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.
[/quote]No kidding, I just looked it up. I guess always seeing the winning WITB it scues my impression. Interesting.

[govols]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427929031' post='11264561'][quote name='fairwaysroverated' timestamp='1427928828' post='11264533']
One thing I can say about a skull shot with a GI like my I25's is this. I had a shot carrying all water about 170 to the green due to a bad drive it left a bad angle into the green. I thinned my 7iron pretty bad, but it flew low and onto the green and actually stayed on the green. The same shot with a blade would have been in the water. Anyway, it was for the money and the club did bail me out there.
[/quote]

No that was just a lucky shot....a skull is still a skull... lets not talk about our lucky shots, cause I can say I had those with my blades too. I am talking about a legit bad shot...... Its still a bad shot...

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427928833' post='11264535']
[quote name='fairwaysroverated' timestamp='1427928603' post='11264519'][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427928015' post='11264461']
It's because we are good hearted people and don't like to see hackers punishing themselves. We want to help, but only when we are asked, which is what happened when a 12 handicapper asked if he should play clubs that most tour pros shy away from.

My categorization of hacker is really wide, so don't worry, it's not just the 90s shooters. It's also the 80s shooters, and most of the 70s shooters.
[/quote]I see allot of people say tour shooters shy away from blades, but always see them in the WITB.[/quote]

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. [b]80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.[/b]
[/quote]


And I still ask.... WHAT is the problem with this?[/quote]

Huh? Nobody ever said it was a problem, it's your money buy and play what makes you happy. That said although you may not do worse with one vs the other there is absolutely no benefit to playing blades if you're not a world class ball striker that some of you wanna argue. Although your game may be an anomaly its definitely not to the point where blades are more forgiving for you and only certain others. They're not forgiving and meant to be struck dead center every time.

[Marand]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427928833' post='11264535']

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.
[/quote]

Source?

[Exactice808]

Huh? Nobody ever said it was a problem, it's your money buy and play what makes you happy. That said although you may not do worse with one vs the other there is absolutely no benefit to playing blades if you're not a world class ball striker that some of you wanna argue. Although your game may be an anomaly its definitely not to the point where blades are more forgiving for you and only certain others. They're not forgiving and meant to be struck dead center every time.

 

Yes you have stated you have a problem with MID to HIGH Handicaps wanting to play Blades cause they CANT hit them

 

1) Ok we are kinda agreeing....

2) No benefit? I disagree..... golf is part mental... if you are playing something you are happy with there is a benefit.....

3) World class balls striking? You dont have to be a world class ball striker to play blades..... YOU CAN STILL HIT CENTER and not pure and have a good shot.

4) I have already Pointed out 1 fact......

 

 

Golf has many facets.... Forgiveness is all but 1 facet of the game. there is a point in everyone's game where they will have to quantify each facet....

 

Workability

Flight

Dispersion

Forgiveness.

Etc etc

 

at some point..... Forgiveness is a factor to sacrifice for one of the other facets..... PERIOD.... in golf it is impossible to have your cake and eat it too.... so you gotta choose what is the most important.....

 

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.

 

Source?

[Nine Miler]

Exactice, dispersion pretty much is forgiveness. Are you really talking about dispersion? C'mon. Let's toss that one out. We can agree on that, right?

[govols]

Huh? Nobody ever said it was a problem, it's your money buy and play what makes you happy. That said although you may not do worse with one vs the other there is absolutely no benefit to playing blades if you're not a world class ball striker that some of you wanna argue. Although your game may be an anomaly its definitely not to the point where blades are more forgiving for you and only certain others. They're not forgiving and meant to be struck dead center every time.

 

Yes you have stated you have a problem with MID to HIGH Handicaps wanting to play Blades cause they CANT hit them

 

1) Ok we are kinda agreeing....

2) No benefit? I disagree..... golf is part mental... if you are playing something you are happy with there is a benefit.....

3) World class balls striking? You dont have to be a world class ball striker to play blades..... YOU CAN STILL HIT CENTER and not pure and have a good shot.

4) I have already Pointed out 1 fact......

 

 

Golf has many facets.... Forgiveness is all but 1 facet of the game. there is a point in everyone's game where they will have to quantify each facet....

 

Workability

Flight

Dispersion

Forgiveness.

Etc etc

 

at some point..... Forgiveness is a factor to sacrifice for one of the other facets..... PERIOD.... in golf it is impossible to have your cake and eat it too.... so you gotta choose what is the most important.....

 

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.

 

Source?

 

If you don't hit the ball solid none of those facets matter.

 

Where did I say I have a problem with what you play?

[Exactice808]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427930617' post='11264705']
Exactice, dispersion pretty much is forgiveness. Are you really talking about dispersion? C'mon. Let's toss that one out. We can agree on that, right?
[/quote]

MMMM Tough one there buddy.... Not sure.... Im going to say gray line there....

I can see where you are coming from on forgiveness, but...ok I am stretching this out....... I am talking out of my @SS this time...

but if we put an GI on Iron Byron and an MB head to head

dont manufactures talk about how MB's have a tighter overall dispersion than GI/SGIs? I know the hot spot theory was debunked about said trampoline affects and the cavities that are filled with 3M rubber compounds....... again my google, wiki BS heard from this guy and that guy.


[url="http://www.oobgolf.com/content/the+wedge+guy/golf+equipment/5-2032-Blades_Versus_Cavity_Backs_A_Golf_Club_Epiphany.html"]http://www.oobgolf.c...b_Epiphany.html[/url]


"[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]With Iron Byron set to swing a 6-iron with about 165 yards of distance, the cavity back irons we were testing were producing a pattern on dead center hits that was about 8' wide and about 15-17' long ![/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]These are duplicate swings, dead center impact, and these shots are coming out 3-4' right or left of the target line, and as much as 8-9' short or long ![/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]Not just with one model of iron, but with nearly every cavity back we tested. Now, realize that as we moved the impact further from the center of the face, the forgiveness factor was excellent, but I was puzzled by that "[/background][/size][/color][i]dead center[/i][color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]" pattern."[/background][/size][/color]

"[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]Then I looked at the chart for the new Apex blade we were developing. On heel misses, it was slightly worse than the cavity back models.[/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]On toe misses, the Apex was significantly worse ([/background][/size][/color][i]blades have very little mass out on the toe[/i][color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]).[/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]But on dead center hits - our shot pattern was [/background][/size][/color][i][b]about 1/4 the size of the cavity back pattern ![/b] [/i][color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]In other words, the perfect shots were much better !"[/background][/size][/color]

[Exactice808]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427930720' post='11264709']
If you don't hit the ball solid none of those facets matter.

Where did I say I have a problem with what you play?
[/quote]

Dude we are going back and forth...... as a 12 and I am using OP and myself.......as an example..... You cant say that we dont hit the ball solid..... I dont know any 12 that doesnt hit the ball solid..... Yes there is miss hits but they are FAR less than their good hits.... OK a 20hdcp I can accept.... but not a 12...

I fall into your categorized group of iron players that supposedly dont hit it good enough to play blades... so vicariously you are tell me you have a problem with what I play with.......

[govols]

[quote name='Marand' timestamp='1427930354' post='11264681'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427928833' post='11264535']

Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.
[/quote]

Source?[/quote]

Pick one it kinda varies but the vast majority is clear.

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=TYAcVYXpGceLNpj1gpAD&q=percentage+of+pga+players+using+blades&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.41l3.0.0.0.2237.1.1.0.1.1.0.139.139.0j1.1.0.msedr...0...1c..64.mobile-gws-hp..0.1.19.3._cP6funhIJM

[Marand]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427931195' post='11264731']
[quote name='Marand' timestamp='1427930354' post='11264681'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427928833' post='11264535']
Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.
[/quote]

Source?[/quote]

Pick one it kinda varies but the vast majority is clear.

[url="https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=TYAcVYXpGceLNpj1gpAD&q=percentage+of+pga+players+using+blades&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.41l3.0.0.0.2237.1.1.0.1.1.0.139.139.0j1.1.0.msedr...0...1c..64.mobile-gws-hp..0.1.19.3._cP6funhIJM"]https://www.google.c...9.3._cP6funhIJM[/url]
[/quote]

Nice 6 year old snippet about the pros, though it would have been nice if it had cited specific examples of player's cavity back irons on tour, rather than a list of cavity backs not used, and then a few muscle-backs which are used. Very odd.

Now, about your stats on WRX mid/high-handicapers using blades...I think you said 80%. I'm sure you have a link........?

[Nine Miler]

Why does everyone ask you for a link? Where are all the blade lovers side by side trackman data with cavity backs to prove their points? Right, they also don't have any.

[govols]

[quote name='Marand' timestamp='1427932406' post='11264809'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427931195' post='11264731']
[quote name='Marand' timestamp='1427930354' post='11264681'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427928833' post='11264535']
Less than 25% of PGA players use blades. 80% of mid/high handicaps on WRX do.
[/quote]

Source?[/quote]

Pick one it kinda varies but the vast majority is clear.

[url="https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=TYAcVYXpGceLNpj1gpAD&q=percentage+of+pga+players+using+blades&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.41l3.0.0.0.2237.1.1.0.1.1.0.139.139.0j1.1.0.msedr...0...1c..64.mobile-gws-hp..0.1.19.3._cP6funhIJM"]https://www.google.c...9.3._cP6funhIJM[/url]
[/quote]

Nice 6 year old snippet about the pros, though it would have been nice if it had cited specific examples of player's cavity back irons on tour, rather than a list of cavity backs not used, and then a few muscle-backs which are used. Very odd.

Now, about your stats on WRX mid/high-handicapers using blades...I think you said 80%. I'm sure you have a link........?[/quote]

Your recognition of satire is equal to your knowledge of clubs. But hey deflect, make irrational excuses, and play what you want.

[govols]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427932664' post='11264843']Why does everyone ask you for a link? Where are all the blade lovers side by side trackman data with cavity backs to prove their points? Right, they also don't have any.[/quote]

It would be irrelevant because blades magically perform for just them when they mis-hit.

[DeNinny]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427925336' post='11264215']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427924553' post='11264147'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427920899' post='11263809']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427920519' post='11263771'][quote name='govols' timestamp='1427920258']

Is that pinned next to the thread where everyone on WRX averages 340 off the tee and carries there 3 hybrid 260?
[/quote]
It's next to the "I play CBs but I can't prove they actually help me with data" thread.[/quote]

Lol my goodness. If I don't strike the center of the face every time then a cavity helps me. A 20 foot putt is better than a 20 yard chip. If a cavity only helps me save a shot or two a round it's well worth it. If you're shooting in the 90s and don't strike every shot pure then you're just pretending you're something you're not. But hey play whatever you like.
[/quote]
LOL more lack of proof. Stop pretending you are an expert on what a blade does for your game and what the "criteria" is for playing them when you haven't even gamed them. LOL and you claim you know a cavity saved you a shot with no basis for comparison.

Keep trying to prove your point without any scoring data. But your first step would be to actually play some blades with a positive attitude.[/quote]

Attitude doesn't flush every shot. If I don't flush every shot there's not a single benefit to playing blades unless my goal is to look like a cool poser. Obviously they work for you though and your inconsistent ball striking shooting 78-98.

Just to add me not gaming them is about as irrelevant as all your other excuses. If I don't flush every cavity back why on earth would I wanna play a blade? I'm not trying to look cool.
[/quote]
I'm just saying that you not gaming blades pretty much makes all your points irrelevant. Most golfwrx threads are about sharing your personal experience. I don't play a long putter so obviously (to me) I'm no going to go into a thread about whether or not someone should play them. I don't have much experience with them so I personally would feel like an idiot if I went into a thread like that and told guys that actually gamed them that their points are irrelevant.

If you have a poor attitude you likely won't play well. I think we made these points earlier but oh well it is a blades thread.

Oh and to add I think you are projecting your own self image by suggesting guys that play worse than you are posing and trying to look cool by playing blades. Like there is some ranking system with irons based on your handicap and guys that game the wrong iron are posers. Last time I checked there is no correlation or data on what type of iron enables you to score the best. So there is no ranking or poser system when it comes to irons. Unless of course you believe in such things (without data).

[govols]

Are you gaming cavities? Where's you data?

Made up personal experience doesn't trump facts, logic, physics, etc

[Nine Miler]

DeNinny, I have played them, but pretty much agree with govols' stance, so as an experienced user I can validate his sentiments. Does that work? It's like if you never boiled an egg, but told me to drop it in some water, bring it to a boil and pull it out in 12 minutes, it's still correct.

[DeNinny]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427932664' post='11264843']
Why does everyone ask you for a link? Where are all the blade lovers side by side trackman data with cavity backs to prove their points? Right, they also don't have any.
[/quote]
No data from anyone is exactly why you can't make a claim either way. Which is precisely why you cannot claim a blade hurts your score and why the OP can play the clubs he asked about. And btw scoring data is all that matters.

[Nine Miler]

[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427933280' post='11264923']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427932664' post='11264843']
Why does everyone ask you for a link? Where are all the blade lovers side by side trackman data with cavity backs to prove their points? Right, they also don't have any.
[/quote]
No data from anyone is exactly why you can't make a claim either way. Which is precisely why you cannot claim a blade hurts your score and why the OP can play the clubs he asked about. And btw scoring data is all that matters.
[/quote]

I'll be at Carls tomorrow. I'll see if I can hit a blade vs a players cavity vs a GI iron on trackman. I'd prefer they all be in the same brand, that's the closest I can get to comparable. Should be able to find one of each with an s300 or something.

DeNinny, what's your choice among major manufacturers? Let's leave mizuno out because of the blurry lines between categories.

714 mb
714 ap2
714 ap1

Nike vapor pro
Nike vapor pro combo
Nike vapor speed

Wilson?

Taylormade?

Ping?

Callaway?

Your call. I'll hit what you pick.

[DeNinny]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427933055' post='11264897']
DeNinny, I have played them, but pretty much agree with govols' stance, so as an experienced user I can validate his sentiments. Does that work? It's like if you never boiled an egg, but told me to drop it in some water, bring it to a boil and pull it out in 12 minutes, it's still correct.
[/quote]
I respect your experience because you have it (LOL but you were too young to give a good perspective from a 12 index). But it was your experience and different than mine. Who knows what govols would be?

A better analogy would be if a movie was good or not. You may have thought it was good for your reasons (all valid) and I may have thought it was bad for my valid reasons.

[Nine Miler]

Please weigh in on my last post.

[Nine Miler]

[quote name='Exactice808' timestamp='1427930840' post='11264715']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427930617' post='11264705']
Exactice, dispersion pretty much is forgiveness. Are you really talking about dispersion? C'mon. Let's toss that one out. We can agree on that, right?
[/quote]

MMMM Tough one there buddy.... Not sure.... Im going to say gray line there....

I can see where you are coming from on forgiveness, but...ok I am stretching this out....... I am talking out of my @SS this time...

but if we put an GI on Iron Byron and an MB head to head

dont manufactures talk about how MB's have a tighter overall dispersion than GI/SGIs? I know the hot spot theory was debunked about said trampoline affects and the cavities that are filled with 3M rubber compounds....... again my google, wiki BS heard from this guy and that guy.


[url="http://www.oobgolf.com/content/the+wedge+guy/golf+equipment/5-2032-Blades_Versus_Cavity_Backs_A_Golf_Club_Epiphany.html"]http://www.oobgolf.c...b_Epiphany.html[/url]


"[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]With Iron Byron set to swing a 6-iron with about 165 yards of distance, the cavity back irons we were testing were producing a pattern on dead center hits that was about 8' wide and about 15-17' long ![/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]These are duplicate swings, dead center impact, and these shots are coming out 3-4' right or left of the target line, and as much as 8-9' short or long ![/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]Not just with one model of iron, but with nearly every cavity back we tested. Now, realize that as we moved the impact further from the center of the face, the forgiveness factor was excellent, but I was puzzled by that "[/background][/size][/color][i]dead center[/i][color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]" pattern."[/background][/size][/color]

"[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]Then I looked at the chart for the new Apex blade we were developing. On heel misses, it was slightly worse than the cavity back models.[/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]On toe misses, the Apex was significantly worse ([/background][/size][/color][i]blades have very little mass out on the toe[/i][color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]).[/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]But on dead center hits - our shot pattern was [/background][/size][/color][i][b]about 1/4 the size of the cavity back pattern ![/b] [/i][color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(168, 221, 151)]In other words, the perfect shots were much better !"[/background][/size][/color]
[/quote]

Fair to say as a 12 you hit a perfect shot maybe a couple times a year?

[DeNinny]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427933452' post='11264955']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427933280' post='11264923']
No data from anyone is exactly why you can't make a claim either way. Which is precisely why you cannot claim a blade hurts your score and why the OP can play the clubs he asked about. And btw scoring data is all that matters.
[/quote]

I'll be at Carls tomorrow. I'll see if I can hit a blade vs a players cavity vs a GI iron on trackman. I'd prefer they all be in the same brand, that's the closest I can get to comparable. Should be able to find one of each with an s300 or something.
[/quote][quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427933452' post='11264955']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427933280' post='11264923']
[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427932664' post='11264843']
Why does everyone ask you for a link? Where are all the blade lovers side by side trackman data with cavity backs to prove their points? Right, they also don't have any.
[/quote]
No data from anyone is exactly why you can't make a claim either way. Which is precisely why you cannot claim a blade hurts your score and why the OP can play the clubs he asked about. And btw scoring data is all that matters.
[/quote]

I'll be at Carls tomorrow. I'll see if I can hit a blade vs a players cavity vs a GI iron on trackman. I'd prefer they all be in the same brand, that's the closest I can get to comparable. Should be able to find one of each with an s300 or something.

DeNinny, what's your choice among major manufacturers? Let's leave mizuno out because of the blurry lines between categories.

714 mb
714 ap2
714 ap1

Nike vapor pro
Nike vapor pro combo
Nike vapor speed

Wilson?

Taylormade?

Ping?

Callaway?

Your call. I'll hit what you pick.
[/quote]
Take them (full sets) on the course and play 20 rounds each with them and record your scores. Try to play the exact the same conditions. If you really want to learn, do it for 8 years.

[govols]

Does a Vokey count as a blade?

[Nine Miler]

Pretty sure trackman can give me more precise data than I could ever get eyeballing it as a 12 handicapper not even sure I know what I should be looking for. So which do you want to see the data on, or are you afraid to see it?

[govols]

You haven't gotten better in 8 years?

Or from your point of view, you haven't gotten worse in 8 years.

[Nine Miler]

[quote name='govols' timestamp='1427934280' post='11265091']
You haven't gotten better in 8 years?

Or from your point of view, you haven't gotten worse in 8 years.
[/quote]

Lol. That's meeeaaaaan.

[duffer987]

[quote name='Nine Miler' timestamp='1427933826' post='11265005']
Fair to say as a 12 you hit a perfect shot maybe a couple times a year?
[/quote]

See now this could be interesting - and would require a new thread - question to ask WRXers: What do you consider a 'flush' shot with your irons (40* or less, wedges and nines at a minimum shouldn't be included) and how often do you hit one?

Can a poll thread have two questions? TBH, this thread is mainly like all the rest, but one new thing for me, is the strikingly high % of shots some here think they 'flush'.

Obviously your "perfect" criteria is super high, maybe like a flush+ or flush+++, like Michelin stars for that, but just a standard flush.