Is "Golf Science" Based on Fake Dynamics?

[Larry111]

This is just my personal opinion but most of what I've read or seen being discussed by the upper echelon of the "Science of Golf" crowd is crap. To me, this stuff is move Voodoo Hoodoo to confuse the golf masses.

 

Nothing personal against this guy, he seems to be the leader of the pack, or the other "noted experts". I'm sure they are sincere but they are the purveyors of fake golf swing dynamics in my view.

 

http://golfsciencelab.com/1/

[Fort Worth Pro]

What would be real golf swing dynamics?

[Jacob Mac]

What exactly do you disagree with?

[TB07]

Do you have anything to base your opinion on?

[Larry111]

No offense to anyone who is heavily infested in this "golf science" hustle but do you really believe that holding lag and pulling the club is the most efficient way to hit a golf ball? Look, the down swing is about 2 tenths of a second. Are you really teaching your students to do all these moves?

 

These guys are the top dogs or pied pipers depending on your perspective.Nothing personal against them because they are sincere and I actually like their presentation but I'm not buying it.

 

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[iteachgolf]

No offense to anyone who is heavily infested in this "golf science" hustle but do you really believe that holding lag and pulling the club is the most efficient way to hit a golf ball? Look, the down swing is about 2 tenths of a second. Are you really teaching your students to do all these moves?

 

These guys are the top dogs or pied pipers depending on your perspective.Nothing personal against them because they are sincere and I actually like their presentation but I'm not buying it.

 

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Who is teaching holding lag and pulling the club? Certainly not what the "golf science" guys are teaching.

[Noke]

Sorry, but Sasho MacKenzie > Mike Austin if that's what you're getting at.

[Fort Worth Pro]

I didn't go back and watch that entire video but I have seen it multiple times. When do they talk about holding lag? That video is about shallowing and its effect on releasing the club.

[Larry111]

Look, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes but if you think these guys have a monopoly on the total knowledge base of the golf swing you might ask yourselves, maybe I'm missing something.

 

What is producing club head speed and power? Also, who or what is their ideal model for the research?

 

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[Fort Worth Pro]

Look, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes but if you think these guys have a monopoly on the total knowledge base of the golf swing you might ask yourselves, maybe I'm missing something.

 

What is producing club head speed and power? Also, who or what is their ideal model for the research?

 

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What are they missing. Please tell us. They don't have an "ideal" or a "model". They test the player and see what they do. Some players are going to be more efficient based on how they use physics than others.

[Golfbeat]

Guys, he is just trolling.

[TB07]

Like I suspected, no answers to questions and nothing to base his opinion on. If you want a discussion how about actually stating what you believe with something to actually back it up?

[ScratchyDawg]

Guys, he is just trolling.

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[zztop]

Look, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes but if you think these guys have a monopoly on the total knowledge base of the golf swing you might ask yourselves, maybe I'm missing something.

 

What is producing club head speed and power? Also, who or what is their ideal model for the research?

 

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I can answer that #1 what is producing club head speed and power drum roll please! the answer is you are.

#2.what or who is the ideal model for research? Answer is there is no model , thus the research into what the majority of top players do to get an understanding of what they do and how they do it.

 

 

Report back with your findings so we can compare.

[Larry111]

I get that we are producing the speed and power but what part of us is creating it and how is it created? I don't know where the "Trackman Maestro" fits on the hierarchy of the Biomechanical Food chain but he's talking about using ground forces to create speed so his theology fits. So is the squat and jump the mail source of speed and power?

 

[Larry111]

zztop, I forgot to thank you for taking the time to respond.

 

 

[iteachgolf]

I get that we are producing the speed and power but what part of us is creating it and how is it created? I don't know where the "Trackman Maestro" fits on the hierarchy of the Biomechanical Food chain but he's talking about using ground forces to create speed so his theology fits. So is the squat and jump the mail source of speed and power?

 

 

You don't use the ground only vertically. You use it rotationally and laterally as well. It seems like you don't have a grasp on the subject matter yet are rallying against you. Flexion and extension in the pivot isn't the main source of speed but it's a very important part of creating speed.

 

I'll let you get back to avoiding answering questions and posting vague thoughts with no defined point. If you want to have an actual discussion I'm sure plenty here will oblige but I don't think that's what you actually want.

[zztop]

zztop, I forgot to thank you for taking the time to respond.

 

 

 

You're welcome all in a days work and power.

[Kirk Land]

This is just my personal opinion but most of what I've read or seen being discussed by the upper echelon of the "Science of Golf" crowd is crap. To me, this stuff is move Voodoo Hoodoo to confuse the golf masses.

 

Nothing personal against this guy, he seems to be the leader of the pack, or the other "noted experts". I'm sure they are sincere but they are the purveyors of fake golf swing dynamics in my view.

 

http://golfsciencelab.com/1/

 

Your not alone, L III,

Miura author of the 2001 paper on Parametric Acceleration

called some of recent analysis , junk articles.

 

Message to Mr. Kelvin Miyahara from Koryo Miura

 

Dear Mr. Kelvin Miyahara,

 

I am Koryo Miura, the author of "Parametric acceleration" in Sports

Engineering, 2001.

 

I enjoyed reading your article, PGA Tour Clubhead Lag Part 3: The Release.

It is especially so, since I have been bothered by many junk articles by

golf teachers and golf enthusiasts on the parametric acceleration

[BenHoganSlam1953]

This is just my personal opinion but most of what I've read or seen being discussed by the upper echelon of the "Science of Golf" crowd is crap. To me, this stuff is move Voodoo Hoodoo to confuse the golf masses.

 

Nothing personal against this guy, he seems to be the leader of the pack, or the other "noted experts". I'm sure they are sincere but they are the purveyors of fake golf swing dynamics in my view.

 

http://golfsciencelab.com/1/

 

If you jump out of an airplane at 1000 feet without a parachute you have a 99.9% chance of immediate death upon impact ... just saying

[Fort Worth Pro]

This is just my personal opinion but most of what I've read or seen being discussed by the upper echelon of the "Science of Golf" crowd is crap. To me, this stuff is move Voodoo Hoodoo to confuse the golf masses.

 

Nothing personal against this guy, he seems to be the leader of the pack, or the other "noted experts". I'm sure they are sincere but they are the purveyors of fake golf swing dynamics in my view.

 

http://golfsciencelab.com/1/

 

Your not alone, L III,

Miura author of the 2001 paper on Parametric Acceleration

called some of recent analysis , junk articles.

 

Message to Mr. Kelvin Miyahara from Koryo Miura

 

Dear Mr. Kelvin Miyahara,

 

I am Koryo Miura, the author of "Parametric acceleration" in Sports

Engineering, 2001.

 

I enjoyed reading your article, PGA Tour Clubhead Lag Part 3: The Release.

It is especially so, since I have been bothered by many junk articles by

golf teachers and golf enthusiasts on the parametric acceleration

 

You can't assume who Miura is talking about because he doesn't say. You also conveniently left out his next line where he said he is not familiar with the bio-mechanics of the human body.

[Kirk Land]

This is just my personal opinion but most of what I've read or seen being discussed by the upper echelon of the "Science of Golf" crowd is crap. To me, this stuff is move Voodoo Hoodoo to confuse the golf masses.

 

Nothing personal against this guy, he seems to be the leader of the pack, or the other "noted experts". I'm sure they are sincere but they are the purveyors of fake golf swing dynamics in my view.

 

http://golfsciencelab.com/1/

 

Your not alone, L III,

Miura author of the 2001 paper on Parametric Acceleration

called some of recent analysis , junk articles.

 

Message to Mr. Kelvin Miyahara from Koryo Miura

 

Dear Mr. Kelvin Miyahara,

 

I am Koryo Miura, the author of "Parametric acceleration" in Sports

Engineering, 2001.

 

I enjoyed reading your article, PGA Tour Clubhead Lag Part 3: The Release.

It is especially so, since I have been bothered by many junk articles by

golf teachers and golf enthusiasts on the parametric acceleration

 

You can't assume who Miura is talking about because he doesn't say. You also conveniently left out his next line where he said he is not familiar with the bio-mechanics of the human body.

 

 

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

 

junk analysis that is.

[Larry111]

So the speed is coming from segments of the body slowing down and passing on speed to other segments of the body which culminates in the left arm slowing down, loss of lag then the club head snaps into the ball?. It all made sense to me when I first read about it but I don't buy into it anymore.

 

As far as squatting and jumping that too sounded good when I first saw it but in my view it's something Tiger did and some of the top instructors and "swing scientists" made it into a swing doctrine and came up with evidence to support it.

 

Back in the 70s Jack Nicklaus had a big leg drive and a lot of pros and armatures were doing it and teachers were teaching it.

[Larry111]

I like the premise of this as far as a wide arc and not pulling the hands down in front of the body to start the downswing, and by that I'm assuming he's talking about the hands and arms. Someone tell me if he's pulling or pushing the club head and what part of the swing does the club head start it's acceleration and is it a quick acceleration or a gradual acceleration? Also, what starts the club head acceleration?

 

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[Fort Worth Pro]

This is just my personal opinion but most of what I've read or seen being discussed by the upper echelon of the "Science of Golf" crowd is crap. To me, this stuff is move Voodoo Hoodoo to confuse the golf masses.

 

Nothing personal against this guy, he seems to be the leader of the pack, or the other "noted experts". I'm sure they are sincere but they are the purveyors of fake golf swing dynamics in my view.

 

http://golfsciencelab.com/1/

 

Your not alone, L III,

Miura author of the 2001 paper on Parametric Acceleration

called some of recent analysis , junk articles.

 

Message to Mr. Kelvin Miyahara from Koryo Miura

 

Dear Mr. Kelvin Miyahara,

 

I am Koryo Miura, the author of "Parametric acceleration" in Sports

Engineering, 2001.

 

I enjoyed reading your article, PGA Tour Clubhead Lag Part 3: The Release.

It is especially so, since I have been bothered by many junk articles by

golf teachers and golf enthusiasts on the parametric acceleration

 

You can't assume who Miura is talking about because he doesn't say. You also conveniently left out his next line where he said he is not familiar with the bio-mechanics of the human body.

 

 

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

 

junk analysis that is.

 

Care to post a link to one of these "junk articles" written by sasho?

[glk]

This is just my personal opinion but most of what I've read or seen being discussed by the upper echelon of the "Science of Golf" crowd is crap. To me, this stuff is move Voodoo Hoodoo to confuse the golf masses.

 

Nothing personal against this guy, he seems to be the leader of the pack, or the other "noted experts". I'm sure they are sincere but they are the purveyors of fake golf swing dynamics in my view.

 

http://golfsciencelab.com/1/

 

Your not alone, L III,

Miura author of the 2001 paper on Parametric Acceleration

called some of recent analysis , junk articles.

 

Message to Mr. Kelvin Miyahara from Koryo Miura

 

Dear Mr. Kelvin Miyahara,

 

I am Koryo Miura, the author of "Parametric acceleration" in Sports

Engineering, 2001.

 

I enjoyed reading your article, PGA Tour Clubhead Lag Part 3: The Release.

It is especially so, since I have been bothered by many junk articles by

golf teachers and golf enthusiasts on the parametric acceleration

 

You can't assume who Miura is talking about because he doesn't say. You also conveniently left out his next line where he said he is not familiar with the bio-mechanics of the human body.

 

 

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

 

junk analysis that is.

 

Care to post a link to one of these "junk articles" written by sasho?

Fwp Odds are Kirkland is previously banned poster mikah. Same dribble and nonsense. Not worth wasting time on him or fellow obtuse poster Larry 111 .

 

[Golfjack]

Simply amazing. How about you try some of this out before you try to debunk it with no backup.

[Fort Worth Pro]

Fwp Odds are Kirkland is previously banned poster mikah. Same dribble and nonsense. Not worth wasting time on him or fellow obtuse poster Larry 111 .

 

I am positive he is a formerly banned poster. Not sure which one yet.

[iteachgolf]

So the speed is coming from segments of the body slowing down and passing on speed to other segments of the body which culminates in the left arm slowing down, loss of lag then the club head snaps into the ball?. It all made sense to me when I first read about it but I don't buy into it anymore.

 

As far as squatting and jumping that too sounded good when I first saw it but in my view it's something Tiger did and some of the top instructors and "swing scientists" made it into a swing doctrine and came up with evidence to support it.

 

Back in the 70s Jack Nicklaus had a big leg drive and a lot of pros and armatures were doing it and teachers were teaching it.

 

No the acceleration of each segment causes the previous segment to slow down. So for instance the arms accelerating is what causes the shoulders to slow down.

 

You have cause and effect backwards. If the previous segment isn't slowing down then that segment isn't accelerating at a high rate resulting in less clubhead speed. It's very basic physics and it can't be argued against. Once again you're disagreeing with something you don't actually understand.