Aldila SYNERGY TOUR BLACK.....The Low Spin King. Trackman Data Inside.

[Dcoop86]

This is great for you, but not what I wanted to hear for me.

 

You'll never know for sure unless you try it. What I can say is that for a 115-122 mph swinger who is a bit inconsistent as a ball striker and has a fast tempo, this shaft tipped 1/2" was a real winner. From what Toll has said, depending on your swing, a 60 or 70 gram version with more or less tipping could work out. It sounds like it has been helping a lot of people from the 105 smooth tempo range to the 130+ mph big hitters.

 

The only people I would say for sure this won't help are people who already struggle with too low of spin and don't have the ball speed to keep the ball in the air. Because it somehow spins very low while launching the ball higher, it could still work for people who already launch the ball a bit high. What I can say for sure is that if you give Toll numbers and a video, he'll take the time to make sure you're fit into something that will work for you.

 

I can attest for the higher speeds. I am right around that 130mph mark give or take on any day. I hit the ball high with a lot of spin with every club in the bag. I recently put PX 7.0s in the irons and play the Synergy 70tx tipped 2” and I absolutely crush this thing. I still hit it high... sometimes very high... but if the fairways aren’t soggy I get more roll than any club/shaft combo I’ve played. I’ve been on course and hit some tee shots near 370 when fairways are moderately firm, carry the ball 330 fairly easily, and in to the wind this thing is like a game changer. Instead of dropping 30-40 yards into head winds it’s more normal around 15-25 yard loss that you would expect.

 

I’m still baffled as to how it feels on the verge of “loose” and still performs this way but I don’t argue with it. Unlike others, I can hook this thing as far left as any shaft I’ve played with a bad swing but at my speed I don’t think that will ever change. Decent swings I’d say the flight is very straight with little left or right bias... just looks like a high knuckle ball which I love.

 

I was tempted to buy a second 70 as a back up or even try the 60 for a little greedy extra speed. I didn’t pull the trigger but with tournaments coming up and some travel I’ll be nervous about any damage to this. It’s by far the best shaft I’ve played for my swing this far. I’ve tried the T1100, ATMOS Black, Speeder 757, and an old PX. This crushes every single one of them for me.

[Bomber_11]

When I read this fights against twisting too much on toe hits, i was sold. I'm a relatively big swinger (nowhere near some of you 130 mph guys, but above average) who's miss is slightly toe side. I hate the feeling of having your clubface blown open by this.

 

Also, high launch bombs with low spin are exactly what I'm looking for. I'm usually around 172-174 mph ball speed so I'm pretty sure I'm pushing it out there fast enough to benefit from the low spin.

 

Graphics are sick too. Hoping mine gets here by the weekend!

[jgard320]

When I read this fights against twisting too much on toe hits, i was sold. I'm a relatively big swinger (nowhere near some of you 130 mph guys, but above average) who's miss is slightly toe side. I hate the feeling of having your clubface blown open by this.

 

Also, high launch bombs with low spin are exactly what I'm looking for. I'm usually around 172-174 mph ball speed so I'm pretty sure I'm pushing it out there fast enough to benefit from the low spin.

 

Graphics are sick too. Hoping mine gets here by the weekend!

 

Sounds a lot like me. Toll will make sure you get it dialed in exactly where you need it, and I think you’ll be very satisfied.

[jgard320]

This is great for you, but not what I wanted to hear for me.

 

You'll never know for sure unless you try it. What I can say is that for a 115-122 mph swinger who is a bit inconsistent as a ball striker and has a fast tempo, this shaft tipped 1/2" was a real winner. From what Toll has said, depending on your swing, a 60 or 70 gram version with more or less tipping could work out. It sounds like it has been helping a lot of people from the 105 smooth tempo range to the 130+ mph big hitters.

 

The only people I would say for sure this won't help are people who already struggle with too low of spin and don't have the ball speed to keep the ball in the air. Because it somehow spins very low while launching the ball higher, it could still work for people who already launch the ball a bit high. What I can say for sure is that if you give Toll numbers and a video, he'll take the time to make sure you're fit into something that will work for you.

 

I can attest for the higher speeds. I am right around that 130mph mark give or take on any day. I hit the ball high with a lot of spin with every club in the bag. I recently put PX 7.0s in the irons and play the Synergy 70tx tipped 2” and I absolutely crush this thing. I still hit it high... sometimes very high... but if the fairways aren’t soggy I get more roll than any club/shaft combo I’ve played. I’ve been on course and hit some tee shots near 370 when fairways are moderately firm, carry the ball 330 fairly easily, and in to the wind this thing is like a game changer. Instead of dropping 30-40 yards into head winds it’s more normal around 15-25 yard loss that you would expect.

 

I’m still baffled as to how it feels on the verge of “loose” and still performs this way but I don’t argue with it. Unlike others, I can hook this thing as far left as any shaft I’ve played with a bad swing but at my speed I don’t think that will ever change. Decent swings I’d say the flight is very straight with little left or right bias... just looks like a high knuckle ball which I love.

 

I was tempted to buy a second 70 as a back up or even try the 60 for a little greedy extra speed. I didn’t pull the trigger but with tournaments coming up and some travel I’ll be nervous about any damage to this. It’s by far the best shaft I’ve played for my swing this far. I’ve tried the T1100, ATMOS Black, Speeder 757, and an old PX. This crushes every single one of them for me.

 

I’m right there with you when it comes to hooking the ball. It will help a slight toe miss, but it can’t overcome swing characteristics that cause a snap hook by itself. You might miss a little bit less with it, but I agree with your assessment that it isn’t a hook cure...no shaft can do that.

[Rosco1216]

This is great for you, but not what I wanted to hear for me.

 

You'll never know for sure unless you try it. What I can say is that for a 115-122 mph swinger who is a bit inconsistent as a ball striker and has a fast tempo, this shaft tipped 1/2" was a real winner. From what Toll has said, depending on your swing, a 60 or 70 gram version with more or less tipping could work out. It sounds like it has been helping a lot of people from the 105 smooth tempo range to the 130+ mph big hitters.

 

The only people I would say for sure this won't help are people who already struggle with too low of spin and don't have the ball speed to keep the ball in the air. Because it somehow spins very low while launching the ball higher, it could still work for people who already launch the ball a bit high. What I can say for sure is that if you give Toll numbers and a video, he'll take the time to make sure you're fit into something that will work for you.

 

I can attest for the higher speeds. I am right around that 130mph mark give or take on any day. I hit the ball high with a lot of spin with every club in the bag. I recently put PX 7.0s in the irons and play the Synergy 70tx tipped 2” and I absolutely crush this thing. I still hit it high... sometimes very high... but if the fairways aren’t soggy I get more roll than any club/shaft combo I’ve played. I’ve been on course and hit some tee shots near 370 when fairways are moderately firm, carry the ball 330 fairly easily, and in to the wind this thing is like a game changer. Instead of dropping 30-40 yards into head winds it’s more normal around 15-25 yard loss that you would expect.

 

I’m still baffled as to how it feels on the verge of “loose” and still performs this way but I don’t argue with it. Unlike others, I can hook this thing as far left as any shaft I’ve played with a bad swing but at my speed I don’t think that will ever change. Decent swings I’d say the flight is very straight with little left or right bias... just looks like a high knuckle ball which I love.

 

I was tempted to buy a second 70 as a back up or even try the 60 for a little greedy extra speed. I didn’t pull the trigger but with tournaments coming up and some travel I’ll be nervous about any damage to this. It’s by far the best shaft I’ve played for my swing this far. I’ve tried the T1100, ATMOS Black, Speeder 757, and an old PX. This crushes every single one of them for me.

 

I’m right there with you when it comes to hooking the ball. It will help a slight toe miss, but it can’t overcome swing characteristics that cause a snap hook by itself. You might miss a little bit less with it, but I agree with your assessment that it isn’t a hook cure...no shaft can do that.

 

Mine should be here in the next couple days hopefully and will report back my findings as well compared to my KK DC 70tx proto.

[jgard320]

I like the feel of the KKDC more than the synergy. I haven’t had the chance to do a head to head yet, but from what I have seen from others, it spins slightly more and launches a little bit lower. For some people, that will be exactly what they need.

[TollBros]

I know I said that I would be putting launch monitor numbers comparing this to the Kuro Kage DCXT 70TX and the Aerotech Ti-Fiber Tour F6, but I developed a bit of a nasty hook from compensation when I tweaked my back, and it took me until yesterday to straighten things out. I did get to take it to the course today. Full disclosure, I'm not nearly as good of a golfer as many on here, but I do have a high 110s-low 120s swing speed and really needed a shaft to cut down my spin. I hit 50% of my fairways today, which is on the higher end of what I normally do. But when you factor in that I overshot 2 driveable par 4s, 1 that was 280 and 1 that was 297, it makes my fairway % seem a bit better. This shaft wants to go straight, and it has a tendency to fade when I tire or slice when I get really lazy. It really held up today despite it being colder (low 50s) and very windy.

 

Almost everything was carrying 260+, and well struck shots, as noted, went 280+. I've never had a shaft before that put me in a position to consistently maximize the potential of my swing speed and minimize the damage on mishits. Ball flight wise, this is definitely a mid launch shaft, but somehow it has incredibly low spin. The ball flight just rises and rises, and what seems like a possible mishit just keeps carrying and carrying, then it hits the ground and rolls out some more. I've been through dozens of shafts trying to find something that could possibly work, and I finally found something that I'm more than happy with pairing this with a Rogue Sub Zero 9 degree head. The only other combination that I've ever hit as far as this was a Ping G400 8.5 LST with an AD DI 8TX, but the misses with that were brutal high spinners. Nothing I've ever hit comes close, and I'd highly recommend this shaft to anyone with high swing speed that is a bit inconsistent of a ball striker. The sad part about this is that I've never had to hit my wedges as often as I did today, which means now I have to significantly upgrade that part of my game to keep up. There will soon be a Ti-Fiber and a KKDC for sale because of this set up.

 

Then there's the customer service from TollBros and Green Grass Evaluations. Once I paid my fitting fee, TollBros took the time to go over my numbers and examine videos of my swing. He gave me an accurate assessment of my swing tempo and made a recommendation of Synergy in 70TX or a Tensei Pro Orange, as I needed a linear bend profile to accommodate my fast tempo. I preferred the feel of a shaft with a bit stiffer butt section, so Toll recommended the synergy. I gave him a few other details about my equipment and my general inconsistencies, and he recommended a higher swing weight to go with C-Tapers or Project X in my irons instead of Steelfiber i110 x flex, and to pair my Synergy with either a Kuro Kage DCXT 80TX or Black Mamba 80TX in my 3 wood and a Tensei Pro White 100 TX Hybrid shaft. I took his advice and demoed a few options. I settled on C-Tapers in S+ for my irons and wedges, bought the Tensei Pro White hybrid from Toll, and found a Black Mamba that I snagged on ebay as a deal of a lifetime. Now have a bit more consistency and comfort in my clubs that I never had before.

 

Toll, you and Green Grass Evaluations have found a customer for life. Thank you for taking the time to pay so much attention to my needs as a golfer and giving me a series of options to tailor to my game. To anyone on the fence about buying, take the time to use the fitting service and these guys will make sure you get something that works for you, even if it isn't the Synergy Black.

 

I really appreciate the comments. Thank you sincerely for the kind feedback. I'm also even happier that it's working out so well for you. It really is a different shaft in that it's not low launch, but as you said, is still incredibly low spin. I don't know how they do it, but I'm happy they do!

 

 

 

Couple of questions...

 

1. Is there a Synergy Tour Black and a Synergy Black?

 

2. Have these/will these be released to the public? Or is it just Synergy Blue being released?

 

3. Anyone swinging 115-120 range have feedback they can provide on the 60TX?

 

The Synergy Black one comes in one model, 60 and 70, both TX flex.

 

They will not release to the public. There will be a Tour Green, which is somewhere in between blue and black.

 

I've played the 60tx with great success, but went back to the 460 M1 head and wanted a little less torque feel with the bigger head. I played the 60 in the M1 430.

[TollBros]

FYI, 70tx is permanently sold out. We cannot get more, and no more will be made. 60tx are still available.

 

For those of you who jumped in last week on the 70tx, you are lucky you did because these babies are gone for good at this point.

[Rosco1216]

I like the feel of the KKDC more than the synergy. I haven’t had the chance to do a head to head yet, but from what I have seen from others, it spins slightly more and launches a little bit lower. For some people, that will be exactly what they need.

 

My hope is that it will allow me to play a touch more loft and higher launch and still keep the spin at or below my KK DC.

[TollBros]

I like the feel of the KKDC more than the synergy. I haven't had the chance to do a head to head yet, but from what I have seen from others, it spins slightly more and launches a little bit lower. For some people, that will be exactly what they need.

 

My hope is that it will allow me to play a touch more loft and higher launch and still keep the spin at or below my KK DC.

 

It should launch a bit higher than the KKDC XT and still spin less. You might actually be able to DROP a degree of loft, retain launch angle, and even further cut spin if you choose to. At your speed, which is insane by the way, haha, this thing should be a God send in the wind.

[provx]

Is this the same as the phened or no?

[Violet07]

Is this the same as the phened or no?

Yes

[jcg132]

Is this the same as the phened or no?

Yes

 

No, that was an earlier proto, much different feel, not the same as this.

[TollBros]

Is this the same as the phened or no?

Yes

 

No, that was an earlier proto, much different feel, not the same as this.

 

Correct. Phene'd was the proto for Synergy line. They do still use the old phene'd butt stickers for Tour identification but the profile has evolved.

[Wardonation]

Do we finally have specs on this shaft? Bend profile? Torque? Thank you...

[TollBros]

Do we finally have specs on this shaft? Bend profile? Torque? Thank you...

 

It's a true proto. Those specs will probably never be known precisely, and I'm not sure they want them out there. At least not on Black.

[Wardonation]

Sounds good, if I was to guess I would say higher torque? 4.5 range and mid to high launch? I also cannot believe how sensitive this shaft is to tipping, just amazing.. 1/4" Can make it play like a totally different shaft in 65TX.

[TollBros]

Sounds good, if I was to guess I would say higher torque? 4.5 range and mid to high launch? I also cannot believe how sensitive this shaft is to tipping, just amazing.. 1/4" Can make it play like a totally different shaft in 65TX.

 

It really is. I warn people about the tipping sensitivity all the time. Some guys choose to believe it, some don't. Haha

[Rosco1216]

Sounds good, if I was to guess I would say higher torque? 4.5 range and mid to high launch? I also cannot believe how sensitive this shaft is to tipping, just amazing.. 1/4" Can make it play like a totally different shaft in 65TX.

 

It really is. I warn people about the tipping sensitivity all the time. Some guys choose to believe it, some don't. Haha

Damnit! This is making me somewhat nervous about tipping 1.5” when it gets delivered today!

[Violet07]

Is this the same as the phened or no?

Yes

 

No, that was an earlier proto, much different feel, not the same as this.

 

Correct. Phene'd was the proto for Synergy line. They do still use the old phene'd butt stickers for Tour identification but the profile has evolved.

Ah, makes sense. My mistake.

[TollBros]

Sounds good, if I was to guess I would say higher torque? 4.5 range and mid to high launch? I also cannot believe how sensitive this shaft is to tipping, just amazing.. 1/4" Can make it play like a totally different shaft in 65TX.

 

It really is. I warn people about the tipping sensitivity all the time. Some guys choose to believe it, some don't. Haha

Damnit! This is making me somewhat nervous about tipping 1.5” when it gets delivered today!

 

Not many guys can hit 130mph with a standard length driver. I've had a guy tip as much as 2 inches at that type of speed. 1.5 isn't out of the question at all in that range of speed. I'm about 124mph and I generally do 1 inch.

[Rosco1216]

Sounds good, if I was to guess I would say higher torque? 4.5 range and mid to high launch? I also cannot believe how sensitive this shaft is to tipping, just amazing.. 1/4" Can make it play like a totally different shaft in 65TX.

 

It really is. I warn people about the tipping sensitivity all the time. Some guys choose to believe it, some don't. Haha

Damnit! This is making me somewhat nervous about tipping 1.5” when it gets delivered today!

 

Not many guys can hit 130mph with a standard length driver. I've had a guy tip as much as 2 inches at that type of speed. 1.5 isn't out of the question at all in that range of speed. I'm about 124mph and I generally do 1 inch.

 

What characteristic(feel(stiffness)/launch/spin) would you say is most sensitive down to least sensitive? If that makes any sense.

 

For example..What would you say is going to be most manipulated if you’re tipping in 1/2” increments? Say 1” vs 1.5” or 1.5”-2”

 

1. Change in feel most.

2. Change in launch second.

3. Change in spin least?

 

I apologize for all the questions. Given that I got the one in the last batch that will be made I want to be sure and get it right the first time since I won’t have the opportunity to get another one.

[TollBros]

The first inch is going to most affect ball flight and spin. After that it's more feel.

[Rosco1216]

The first inch is going to most affect ball flight and spin. After that it's more feel.

 

Thanks. Ill go 1.5” initially and build it a 1/2” long in case I want to adjust later. My clubhead with adapter is a fairly heavy and weighs in at 207-208g.

[Bomber_11]

that's what she said

[TollBros]

The first inch is going to most affect ball flight and spin. After that it's more feel.

 

Thanks. Ill go 1.5” initially and build it a 1/2” long in case I want to adjust later. My clubhead with adapter is a fairly heavy and weighs in at 207-208g.

 

That is heavy especially at your speed. That shaft is going to be screaming for mercy under load. Haha

[Dcoop86]

Not sure this is allowed but here is a link to a swing today at a lesson. This was a thin shot at about 129mph that had 2,400rpm. We had a few that were at 1,500-1,800 that carried near 340-350. The 70tx tipped 2” is my favorite shaft to date. I’m literally scared to travel tomorrow with it in the plane.

 

[Valtiel]

Not sure this is allowed but here is a link to a swing today at a lesson. This was a thin shot at about 129mph that had 2,400rpm. We had a few that were at 1,500-1,800 that carried near 340-350. The 70tx tipped 2" is my favorite shaft to date. I'm literally scared to travel tomorrow with it in the plane.

 

https://www.instagra.../p/BiSngjfFVD7/

 

Wow, thats 129mph that looks like you're swinging 110. :blink:

[Rosco1216]

Not sure this is allowed but here is a link to a swing today at a lesson. This was a thin shot at about 129mph that had 2,400rpm. We had a few that were at 1,500-1,800 that carried near 340-350. The 70tx tipped 2” is my favorite shaft to date. I’m literally scared to travel tomorrow with it in the plane.

 

Nice move. A bit more unassuming than me. ?

[Rosco1216]

Is this the same as the phened or no?

Yes

 

No, that was an earlier proto, much different feel, not the same as this.

 

Correct. Phene'd was the proto for Synergy line. They do still use the old phene'd butt stickers for Tour identification but the profile has evolved.

 

Toll, could you elaborate a little on this? Mine was delivered this morning and saw the old phene’d sticker dated April/2016 with the ID number and also the new sticker. Just looking at it would assume it was made 2 years ago and just stamped with the new paint job of the new synergy. Are you saying its an old sticker made 2 years ago and was just recently slapped on a new shaft?

 

I apologize if this is addressed somewhere else in these 15 pages.