The 2018 Ryder Cup at Le Golf National (MERGED)

[lowheel]

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• Tiger has no luck, over and above how he played.
  
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Luck???? I guess he has been unlucky over his 29 team matches.... winning only 9. The 20 losses are just bad luck.

I didn't realise Tiger played 29 matches the past two days; no wonder he's exhausted.

I did say "over and above how he played" but maybe you don't understand what that means. Besides how he played, disregarding how he played, you know along those lines.

 

Moliwood are a fricking buzzsaw (but I know how little you rate them from previous posts). Playing them 3 times is bad luck no? And Reed was awful as well. Never said anything specifically about Tiger's play, that wasn't the point.

 

 

poor tiger, always unlucky with his partners and opponents in the ryder cup.Its never his fault...

Wow! It was just a simple point about Molinari/Fleetwood and Reed. Nowhere did I say it's "never his fault".

I guess I don't spend enough time in tour threads to realise I was touching such a nerve with some folks.

 

As another example, I think it is fair to say Bryson had poor luck as well with this pairings and competitors.

 

Bryson was trash too...

[gatorpedsMD]

ESPN on why we stinky:

 

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/24835492/2018-ryder-cup-united-states-making-mess-another-ryder-cup-europe-here-all-reasons-why

[lowheel]

No one was going to beat molly and baby Jesus this weekend. ANyone playing them were unlucky.

 

Furyk should have made Moses a captain's pick.

 

or judas!! am i right??

 

[duffer987]

A few questions following Day 2 -

 

Will Capt America and his spouse now cease to wear Team USA clobber for the next 24 months both on and off the course?

Depends. Will it hinder their ability to get free tickets to things.

 

Has anyone played worse in any RC than Capt America in 2018?

Tiger! Tiger is crap. Tiger is the worst. Tiger should never have played Ryder Cup golf. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia... I mean Tiger.

 

Will the Team USA Task Force be disbanded?

Yes. And replaced with a book of the month club and/or something involving a talking stick.

 

Did the guy who shouted "You're welcome" to Bubba in the morning fourballs after he dumped his ball into the water get awarded with a signed glove?

No. But he did get a WWJD bracelet from Webb.

 

Does Tabitha make all the decisions in the Furyk household?

Yes. Most importantly, when she said: Jim shave your damn head, you're bald and not fooling anyone.

 

Does Phil wish he'd brought his plane?

Maybe. Depends whether or not camera crews would be there to film him landing and taking off.

[Event^Horizon]

A few questions following Day 2 -

 

Will Capt America and his spouse now cease to wear Team USA clobber for the next 24 months both on and off the course?

 

Has anyone played worse in any RC than Capt America in 2018?

 

Will the Team USA Task Force be disbanded?

 

Did the guy who shouted "You're welcome" to Bubba in the morning fourballs after he dumped his ball into the water get awarded with a signed glove?

 

Does Tabitha make all the decisions in the Furyk household?

 

Does Phil wish he'd brought his plane?

 

They will probably convene a task force to figure out what went wrong with the task force.

 

All kidding aside, while it doesn't look good for the USA, there is still a lot of golf to be played. With this game, you just never know.

[mocokid]

Today's USA shirts looked awful too.

[jerebear21]

No one was going to beat molly and baby Jesus this weekend. ANyone playing them were unlucky.

 

very curious to see how each other do without someone to lean on

 

I think the girl in blue dress suck the life out of team America during the opening ceremony. That was just weird as heck.

 

It’s all momentum at this point. If we can get something going in the early groups maybe just maybe.

[redfirebird08]

Nah, when youre the player of Tigers ilk and legend after a while the pattern is who you are and its 99% on you.if youre so far above the competition 362 days a year ( were talking prime tiger) and you suddenly forget how to play for 3 days over and over its very telling. I wanted him to ride off into the sunset and expected a little more as hes a new guy now with a better attitude. but..

 

 

Except this isn't prime Tiger. We all know that. Fleetwood and Molinari are both in good form. You expected him to beat those guys by himself? I don't expect that out of him these days. Reed literally put 80+ on the board this morning with his own ball.

 

Now your criticism about him in his prime is fair enough. Even with crap partners, a guy that wins majors by 15 shots could at least win a four-ball match by himself. Alternate shot is a different story.

[OrangeGravy]

Phil vs Molinari on Sunday. LOL The US clearly does not think they have anyone who can beat Molinari, so Phil is picked to be the sacrificial lamb instead of wasting him on someone who can otherwise be beaten.

 

I think it's an ok move. When you need as many points as they do, you need to get as many sure thing wins as possible ( relatively speaking sure thing ). If you feel the chances of Molinari getting beat are really low, why risk one of your players that is playing well? Better to give him Phil. If Phil gets hot and takes him out, it's on, if not no real blood lost.

 

The captains do not know the other team's order when they make out their own, so your logic doesn't apply. However, when I saw that pairing I thought, "well, Phil wasn't going to beat anybody, and it's doubtful anybody was going to beat Molinari, so we might as well double up",, of course that's silly, because Molinari is not Superman...who knows? wouldn't it be a heck of a story if Phil did beat Molinari?

 

I realize that, but I would hope they use their best guess as to what the other side is going to do to a certain degree in order to get favorable match-ups.

 

That would be something if Phil beat him. The way this thing is going if Phil did win, it would probably be the only point for the US all day!

[shotmark]

Saturday morning Fourballs. Pretty much means Phil and Bubba are done until singles.

 

Rory/Sergio vs Koepka/Finau

Casey/Hatton vs DJ/Fowler

Molinari/Fleetwood vs Tiger/Reed

Poulter/Rahm vs JT/Spieth

Why is Tiger playing with Reed again?

 

The question you should be asking is “why is Tiger playing again?”

[Londoner]

ive never seen a US tournament, i including masters and Us open set up as tight and penal as this one, with almost no safe side or bail out. That not the real story though. My point is the woodland courses these guys learned on. If your not straight you reload, practically every hole.

Only all of them.

Please explain where the bailouts were at Bethpage in 2002. You couldn't even hit iron off some of those tees because of forced carries over very thick rough. It was long enough that plenty of players in the field couldn't even reach some of those fairways. Not far off the fairway you had thick hay for the guys to deal with. I seem to remember a fiery Spaniard complaining about weather conditions that week.

nope. I give you that one Bethpage was tough. Not the norm though.

On US tour we see a lot of shots played out of the trees lining the course. In europe nowhere near as much. In our feeder tours you miss, its gone. The European ryder cup team set it up like this for a reason. Because they believe theyre more used to it. At the end of the day its grass.

Tommorrow will be interesting. We all know what difference a day can make in golf. :golfer:

 

Again you are showing your "ignorance" as others have pointed out. You seriously think that your feeder tours play tighter more penal courses than the ones in the US? How did a 14 handicap become so knowledgeable about the courses and mini tours thousands of miles away from the land of seaside open courses?

 

In other words you are wrong and sound completely ridiculous and devoid of knowledge of the subject.

 

You can think what you like, even continue just making stuff up. Land of seaside open courses? You know nothing of European golf or UK courses, thats obvious.

 

If you want to beleive this course suits your guys because it what they're used to and it suits their game, you carry on.

Hows that working out for you?

[Lodestone]

From my tv viewing of usa courses you have nothing like the diversity.

 

Try watching the tv with your eyes open next time.

 

 

The good news for Europe is that there is no chance the US PGA Tour will alter its setups to try to win a Ryder Cup in Europe once every four years. The US will just have to settle for outplaying the other team.

 

You make a good point. We fans might think it would just be great if there was something the PGA Tour could do to increase the USA's chances, by altering how they present their product, but face it, this comes around every two years, and they make a ton of money on it whether they win or lose, in fact losing seems to spur even more interest in The States, and they are making plenty of money week in and week out with their current priority scheme.

 

Maybe one thing they could do would be to somehow promote the idea of top US players playing in the regular Euro tournament played at the projected Ryder Cup venue, but that would take those players away from their own event, so it would take some effort and planning, like scheduling an off week on the US Tour that particular week. Would they consider it?

 

Would it really make any difference?

[Londoner]

ive never seen a US tournament, i including masters and Us open set up as tight and penal as this one, with almost no safe side or bail out. That not the real story though. My point is the woodland courses these guys learned on. If your not straight you reload, practically every hole.

You must not have watched very many U.S. Opens going back the last 30+ years.

Only all of them.

 

Then I can dismiss your opinions out of hand.

Lacking a cohesive arguement you would.

[ib0o0]

This Ryder is showing the lack of adaptation from PGA players to different courses. The moment they lack those 60 yard fairways and mild rough, they struggle big time.

 

 

Just so you have some facts, your "60 yards wide" is a joke;

 

A PGA Tour agronomist will typically visit a course two or three months before a scheduled tournament. The agronomist will make recommendations regarding the course, including its fairway widths and shape. While the tour believes fairway width must vary on holes for a variety of reasons, its guidelines call for fairways to be 25 to 30 yards wide in the expected landing area for a tour player’s drive on par-4 and par-5 holes. The Nationwide and Champions tours use the same guidelines with respect to fairway widths.

 

 

https://golftips.golfweek.com/average-fairway-width-pga-tour-20729.html

 

I believe my over exaggeration would make a point. Not make you take it literally.

 

This course is tighter and tougher than the average PGA course.

[duffer987]

All the courses you mention have braken and heather where no trees.

Why do you think they set up the Ryder cup course the way it is?

Wow. OK you don't actually know what you are talking about. Sorry I don't mean to be rude - and no really I'm not trying to be patronizing by then apologizing - but really you don't.

Go play a heathland course or a links course and tell me it is remotely like this weeks course.

 

This week's course is TPC Sawgrass + Kiawah Island, with brutal rough thicker than Robert Rocks hair.

 

The course is set up this way to throw the US off their typical tour event bomb and gouge approach and the course was also selected due to it being the host of a major Euro event the European tour players are largely familiar with. Seriously, that is why. It has NOTHING to do with what courses the players played when they were teens or early twenties. Seriously how many ever came up on these mini-tours you're talking about: Rose, Fleetwood, Hatton, Stenson? The rest were already on the main pro tour or playing US college golf.

[lowheel]

Nah, when youre the player of Tigers ilk and legend after a while the pattern is who you are and its 99% on you.if youre so far above the competition 362 days a year ( were talking prime tiger) and you suddenly forget how to play for 3 days over and over its very telling. I wanted him to ride off into the sunset and expected a little more as hes a new guy now with a better attitude. but..

 

 

Except this isn't prime Tiger. We all know that. Fleetwood and Molinari are both in good form. You expected him to beat those guys by himself? I don't expect that out of him these days. Reed literally put 80+ on the board this morning with his own ball.

 

Now your criticism about him in his prime is fair enough. Even with crap partners, a guy that wins majors by 15 shots could at least win a four-ball match by himself. Alternate shot is a different story.

 

the bolded is the problem and the delusion youre pushing. Reed was crap off the tee yet tiger never clubbed down to find fairways when reed was in trouble. Reed shot 80 tiger shot 76-77 at least. Tiger has done absolutely nothing well in 2 days. i expected a better attitude from him and making some clutch putts for momentum like this mattered. molinari was dunking on him all day yesterday and today while tiger was lagging his putts. Poulter and molinari and fleetwood were bruising the back of the cup. So were speith and thomas. Thomas and speith showed fire making clutch putts. Is that too much to ask? With tiger current form i expected more

[Pent08]

poor tiger, always unlucky with his partners and opponents in the ryder cup.Its never his fault... imagine his record if he played any top tiered players in singles over the years

 

It's partially his fault. It's not entirely his fault. The two things co-exist.

 

Nah, when youre the player of Tigers ilk and legend after a while the pattern is who you are and its 99% on you.if youre so far above the competition 362 days a year ( were talking prime tiger) and you suddenly forget how to play for 3 days over and over its very telling. I wanted him to ride off into the sunset and expected a little more as hes a new guy now with a better attitude. but..

 

 

Just because prime Tiger can win a U.S. Open by 15 shots doesn't mean he can just turn it on whenever he wants. On how many occasions did he not contend in a major or any tournament throughout the period? You can stop feigning interest in Tiger's success. It's wasted energy.

[Londoner]

From my tv viewing of usa courses you have nothing like the diversity.

 

Try watching the tv with your eyes open next time.

 

 

The good news for Europe is that there is no chance the US PGA Tour will alter its setups to try to win a Ryder Cup in Europe once every four years. The US will just have to settle for outplaying the other team.

 

You make a good point. We fans might think it would just be great if there was something the PGA Tour could do to increase the USA's chances, by altering how they present their product, but face it, this comes around every two years, and they make a ton of money on it whether they win or lose, in fact losing seems to spur even more interest in The States, and they are making plenty of money week in and week out with their current priority scheme.

 

Maybe one thing they could do would be to somehow promote the idea of top US players playing in the regular Euro tournament played at the projected Ryder Cup venue, but that would take those players away from their own event, so it would take some effort and planning, like scheduling an off week on the US Tour that particular week. Would they consider it?

 

Would it really make any difference?

 

It doesn't really matter. We have home and away. The home team set up a course they think will benefit themselves.

 

I would like the guys arguing that USA courses are tight or tighter to tell me why the European guys set this course up the way they have?

[buckeyefl]

 

I am not the one making stuff up. Again how did a 14 handicap from an ocean away learn so much about the courses the OGA Tour players grew up on or about our mini tours.

 

I never said anything that you suggest so let's try staying on topic. Now about your vast knowledge of US players home courses growing up,we are all ears.

[gatorpedsMD]

this thread getting hot like Paulina's butt in a bathing suit.

[bladehunter]

so am i correct coverage comes on 6am eastern ??

[Event^Horizon]

this thread getting hot like Paulina butt in a bathing suit.

 

DJ might disagree...

[buckeyefl]

From my tv viewing of usa courses you have nothing like the diversity.

 

Try watching the tv with your eyes open next time.

 

 

The good news for Europe is that there is no chance the US PGA Tour will alter its setups to try to win a Ryder Cup in Europe once every four years. The US will just have to settle for outplaying the other team.

 

You make a good point. We fans might think it would just be great if there was something the PGA Tour could do to increase the USA's chances, by altering how they present their product, but face it, this comes around every two years, and they make a ton of money on it whether they win or lose, in fact losing seems to spur even more interest in The States, and they are making plenty of money week in and week out with their current priority scheme.

 

Maybe one thing they could do would be to somehow promote the idea of top US players playing in the regular Euro tournament played at the projected Ryder Cup venue, but that would take those players away from their own event, so it would take some effort and planning, like scheduling an off week on the US Tour that particular week. Would they consider it?

 

Would it really make any difference?

 

It doesn't really matter. We have home and away. The home team set up a course they think will benefit themselves.

 

I would like the guys arguing that USA courses are tight or tighter to tell me why the European guys set this course up the way they have?

 

That's not what people are arguing. Please try to focus and keep up. Maybe go back and read your ridiculous, baseless drivel before responding again.

 

Still waiting on your sources of what types of courses US players grew up on. Maybe toss in how Euros don't dominate since they are Superior because of their feeder tours and brutally tough courses.

[bladehunter]

From my tv viewing of usa courses you have nothing like the diversity.

 

Try watching the tv with your eyes open next time.

 

 

The good news for Europe is that there is no chance the US PGA Tour will alter its setups to try to win a Ryder Cup in Europe once every four years. The US will just have to settle for outplaying the other team.

 

You make a good point. We fans might think it would just be great if there was something the PGA Tour could do to increase the USA's chances, by altering how they present their product, but face it, this comes around every two years, and they make a ton of money on it whether they win or lose, in fact losing seems to spur even more interest in The States, and they are making plenty of money week in and week out with their current priority scheme.

 

Maybe one thing they could do would be to somehow promote the idea of top US players playing in the regular Euro tournament played at the projected Ryder Cup venue, but that would take those players away from their own event, so it would take some effort and planning, like scheduling an off week on the US Tour that particular week. Would they consider it?

 

Would it really make any difference?

 

It doesn't really matter. We have home and away. The home team set up a course they think will benefit themselves.

 

I would like the guys arguing that USA courses are tight or tighter to tell me why the European guys set this course up the way they have?

 

nothing tight about this course except they moved the fairways in ..Tight is tree lined... you can hit the bubba slice here if you want , you just have to gauge the startline .. You cant do that on a tree lined "tight " course

[ib0o0]

This Ryder is showing the lack of adaptation from PGA players to different courses. The moment they lack those 60 yard fairways and mild rough, they struggle big time.

 

 

Just so you have some facts, your "60 yards wide" is a joke;

 

A PGA Tour agronomist will typically visit a course two or three months before a scheduled tournament. The agronomist will make recommendations regarding the course, including its fairway widths and shape. While the tour believes fairway width must vary on holes for a variety of reasons, its guidelines call for fairways to be 25 to 30 yards wide in the expected landing area for a tour player’s drive on par-4 and par-5 holes. The Nationwide and Champions tours use the same guidelines with respect to fairway widths.

 

 

https://golftips.golfweek.com/average-fairway-width-pga-tour-20729.html

 

I believe my over exaggeration would make a point. Not make you take it literally.

 

This course is tighter and tougher than the average PGA course.

[OrangeGravy]

ESPN on why we stinky:

 

http://www.espn.com/...all-reasons-why

 

Can't say I disagree with any of it really. At this point if they don't have a sizable lead after day 1, they go into here we go again mode.

[Londoner]

All the courses you mention have braken and heather where no trees.

Why do you think they set up the Ryder cup course the way it is?

Wow. OK you don't actually know what you are talking about. Sorry I don't mean to be rude - and no really I'm not trying to be patronizing by then apologizing - but really you don't.

Go play a heathland course or a links course and tell me it is remotely like this weeks course.

 

This week's course is TPC Sawgrass + Kiawah Island, with brutal rough thicker than Robert Rocks hair.

 

The course is set up this way to throw the US off their typical tour event bomb and gouge approach and the course was also selected due to it being the host of a major Euro event the European tour players are largely familiar with. Seriously, that is why. It has NOTHING to do with what courses the players played when they were teens or early twenties. Seriously how many ever came up on these mini-tours you're talking about: Rose, Fleetwood, Hatton, Stenson? The rest were already on the main pro tour or playing US college golf.

This is getting boring now but I will give it one more go. The point I was making about heather and braken on links and heathland was that you dont need trees and rough to make a fairway miss super penal or a lost ball. Come and play Southerness if you want an example.

 

Yes they did set this course up because its not what the USA guys are used to. That was my whole point so thanks for that.

All the players you mentioned played the extensive UK youth and Amateur tours which are played on exactly the courses in question.

[lowheel]

poor tiger, always unlucky with his partners and opponents in the ryder cup.Its never his fault... imagine his record if he played any top tiered players in singles over the years

 

It's partially his fault. It's not entirely his fault. The two things co-exist.

 

Nah, when youre the player of Tigers ilk and legend after a while the pattern is who you are and its 99% on you.if youre so far above the competition 362 days a year ( were talking prime tiger) and you suddenly forget how to play for 3 days over and over its very telling. I wanted him to ride off into the sunset and expected a little more as hes a new guy now with a better attitude. but..

 

 

Just because prime Tiger can win a U.S. Open by 15 shots doesn't mean he can just turn it on whenever he wants. On how many occasions did he not contend in a major or any tournament throughout the period? You can stop feigning interest in Tiger's success. It's wasted energy.

 

Of course youll say that, youve got nothing else. its a team event genius, tigers success is the teams success.i wanted Phil and tiger to ride off into the sunset and win on foreign soil. Im allowed to be upset about his performance. Maybe if you werent a fan boy you could see that youre allowed to criticize his play and phils

[Londoner]

From my tv viewing of usa courses you have nothing like the diversity.

Try watching the tv with your eyes open next time. The good news for Europe is that there is no chance the US PGA Tour will alter its setups to try to win a Ryder Cup in Europe once every four years. The US will just have to settle for outplaying the other team.

You make a good point. We fans might think it would just be great if there was something the PGA Tour could do to increase the USA's chances, by altering how they present their product, but face it, this comes around every two years, and they make a ton of money on it whether they win or lose, in fact losing seems to spur even more interest in The States, and they are making plenty of money week in and week out with their current priority scheme. Maybe one thing they could do would be to somehow promote the idea of top US players playing in the regular Euro tournament played at the projected Ryder Cup venue, but that would take those players away from their own event, so it would take some effort and planning, like scheduling an off week on the US Tour that particular week. Would they consider it? Would it really make any difference?

It doesn't really matter. We have home and away. The home team set up a course they think will benefit themselves. I would like the guys arguing that USA courses are tight or tighter to tell me why the European guys set this course up the way they have?

That's not what people are arguing. Please try to focus and keep up. Maybe go back and read your ridiculous, baseless drivel before responding again. Still waiting on your sources of what types of courses US players grew up on. Maybe toss in how Euros don't dominate since they are Superior because of their feeder tours and brutally tough courses.

Now you just being internet warrior spouting rude rubbish.

[redfirebird08]

Good article here. Seems he agrees with a lot of what we are saying on these forums...

 

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/24835492/2018-ryder-cup-united-states-making-mess-another-ryder-cup-europe-here-all-reasons-why