2019 OB & Lost Ball Rule

[Mr. Bean]

 

I wasnt trying to go in the weeds...the point was there is going to a tee box for the hole to be make the FRP for the OB LR option.

 

I am afraid I did not understand that. Could you write that in English language, please?

[SNIPERBBB]

FRP is fairway reference point

[Colin L]

I wasnt trying to go in the weeds...the point was there is going to a tee box for the hole to be make the FRP for the OB LR option.

 

I am afraid I did not understand that. Could you write that in English language, please?

 

Don't feel bad about it, English is my first language and my academic specialism and I didn't understand it either.

[Mr. Bean]

FRP is fairway reference point

 

Gee, thanks... that was one of the three things I did understand. The two others were OB and LR. The rest was gibberish to me...

[SNIPERBBB]

If you don't know that OB is out of bounds and LR is local rule then I can't help you.

[Colin L]

If you don't know that OB is out of bounds and LR is local rule then I can't help you.

 

Mr Bean was clear that he knew what OB and LR referred to as well as known FRP and that it was the rest he didn't understand. My situation as well!

[Mr. Bean]

If you don't know that OB is out of bounds and LR is local rule then I can't help you.

 

Are you sure you graduated from Elementary School..?

[rogolf]

If you don't know that OB is out of bounds and LR is local rule then I can't help you.

 

In some circles, OB is original ball and OOB is out of bounds. It's clearer that way.

[slocagolfer]

Or you could just type out the words. LOL

[nsxguy]

Or you could just type out the words. LOL

 

:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

[SNIPERBBB]

If you don't know that OB is out of bounds and LR is local rule then I can't help you.

 

In some circles, OB is original ball and OOB is out of bounds. It's clearer that way.

 

OOB is basketball but I skipped my local basketball officials meeting today.

[rogolf]

If you don't know that OB is out of bounds and LR is local rule then I can't help you.

 

In some circles, OB is original ball and OOB is out of bounds. It's clearer that way.

 

OOB is basketball but I skipped my local basketball officials meeting today.

Yes, but this is a Rules of golf forum, not basketball! :stop:

Is there actually a forum to discuss basketball Rules?

[BruceMil]

Provisional balls are usually used when you think you’ve hit out of bounds or into dense bush where it is likely you won’t find your ball. So most players hit a provisional ball. This shortens the time of play so you don’t have to go back to the tee or the point where you last hit your ball.

 

But often, players believe the can find their ball or think their ball did not go OB and don’t hit a provisional ball. Then they don’t find it or if it went OB they have to go back to the point where they last hit the ball taking a stroke and distance penalty.

However, the USGA and R & A have adopted the most major changes to the Rules of Golf in more than 30 years and all go into effect January 1, 2019.

 

Under a new rule, a golf course can elect to give players an option for dropping a ball without having to go back to the point where you hit the ball that became lost or went out of bounds and when they haven’t played a provisional ball.

 

The golf course has the option to adopt a local rule allowing you to drop another ball take a two-stroke penalty to speed up play.

The local rule helps a player who hasn’t played a provisional ball from going back to the location of the previous stroke. The new rules generally allow the player to drop parallel on the edge of the fairway with a two-stroke penalty.

 

If you want to know how this new rule works exactly, it goes like this:

 

Under this option, you drop your ball in a large relief area which is between two lines.

 

The first line is established using the “ball reference point” which is a line drawn from the hole to the ball reference point which is the point where the ball was lost or went out of bounds.

 

The second line is a line drawn from the hole to the “fairway reference point” and the fairway reference point is a point you mark on the nearest edge of the fairway no nearer the hole.

 

The relief area is between those two lines. Or in other words in the area between where the ball was lost or went out of bounds and the nearest edge of the fairway (no nearer the hole).

 

Also, this relief area is extended by two club lengths on the outside edges of the “ball reference point” and the “fairway reference point” (no nearer the hole).

 

This local rule is also not intended for professional play or high amateur competitions but intended to help speed up the pace of play.

 

The player is not allowed to use this option when his ball is known to be in a penalty area. If the player’s ball is in a penalty area, a lateral drop is available instead. Or the player can play the ball in the penalty area and ground his club and is allowed to even ground his club when his ball is in or under water.

 

The new rules refer to a Model Local Rule for a golf course to adopt which can be found in the USGA site under stroke and distance.

 

The official guide to the new rules is 500 pages which has been put out by the USGA. That may be difficult to page through and find an answer during play.

 

This new Booklet, GOLF’S NEW RULES: A HANDY FAST REFERENCE EFFECTIVE 2019 is 37 pages and gives you a clear and quick description of the new rules along with a two-page Summary which will answer most new rule questions in seconds.

 

You don’t have to remember all the new changes if you keep this booklet in your bag or on your phone for fast answers to new rule questions. It will also help you answer many questions which players have when the major changes come into effect.

Get this book and it will answer a lot of questions which will be coming up on the course when the new rules come into effect in 2019, Continue to enjoy the game! Happy golfing!

[Augster]

3 posts today, all of them necro, and all of them ads/spam.

 

Someone isn’t long for the forum I’d guess.

[sui generis]

3 posts today, all of them necro, and all of them ads/spam.

 

Someone isn't long for the forum I'd guess.

Dime dropped.

[SNIPERBBB]

If you don't know that OB is out of bounds and LR is local rule then I can't help you.

 

In some circles, OB is original ball and OOB is out of bounds. It's clearer that way.

 

OOB is basketball but I skipped my local basketball officials meeting today.

Yes, but this is a Rules of golf forum, not basketball! :stop:

Is there actually a forum to discuss basketball Rules?

 

Of course just not here. Officiating.com

[Deceptively Short]

Just to update prior to this local rule being available for adoption the day after tomorrow; my Club has decided not to implement this rule for any competitive golf at all. Players can obviously do what they like in their own social golf.

CONGU, as previously reported, will not allow this rule to be in force for any golf that is qualifying for handicap under their jurisdiction . This move has greatly influenced my Club’s decision and in order to avoid confusion we have kept the same philosophy for matchplay and team events both within the

Club and for Open competitions.

To date other bodies that run competitive golf locally, the County and local inter club leagues, have not informed us of any adoption of the rule.

So, in this part of the world at least, this widely touted potentially significant change is a bust.

[Newby]

The disappointing thing is that CONGU have not had the courtesy to explain to clubs why they made such a poor decision. I understand that the EGA have accepted it for qualifiers.

[QEight]

The disappointing thing is that CONGU have not had the courtesy to explain to clubs why they made such a poor decision. I understand that the EGA have accepted it for qualifiers.

 

EGA explained in their reasoning that if Ruling Bodies give it as an option in the Rules,then it must be acceptable.

[Sawgrass]

The disappointing thing is that CONGU have not had the courtesy to explain to clubs why they made such a poor decision. I understand that the EGA have accepted it for qualifiers.

 

EGA explained in their reasoning that if Ruling Bodies give it as an option in the Rules,then it must be acceptable.

Model Local Rule E-5 says in part:

 

"The Local Rule is appropriate for general play where golfers are playing casual rounds or playing their own competitions. The Local Rule is not appropriate for competitions limited to highly skilled players (that is, professional competitions and elite amateur competitions)."

 

I don't see why excluding this LR is a "poor decision," there seems to be a suggestion in the above statement that it's a valid choice for a competitive handicap or qualifying round in Europe (though it seems fine to use the LR in the U.S. for casual rounds given that these rounds are still posted).

[deadsolid...shank]

Last time I talked to our pros, they were not planning in implementing the local rule. Don’t know if that is still the same or not.

[sui generis]

Last time I talked to our pros, they were not planning in implementing the local rule. Don’t know if that is still the same or not.

 

If your head professional doesn't, his successor certainly will. ;)

[Sawgrass]

Last time I talked to our pros, they were not planning in implementing the local rule. Don’t know if that is still the same or not.

 

If your head professional doesn't, his successor certainly will. ;)

How condemningly prescient of you!

[Colin L]

The disappointing thing is that CONGU have not had the courtesy to explain to clubs why they made such a poor decision. I understand that the EGA have accepted it for qualifiers.

 

EGA explained in their reasoning that if Ruling Bodies give it as an option in the Rules,then it must be acceptable.

Model Local Rule E-5 says in part:

 

"The Local Rule is appropriate for general play where golfers are playing casual rounds or playing their own competitions. The Local Rule is not appropriate for competitions limited to highly skilled players (that is, professional competitions and elite amateur competitions)."

 

I don't see why excluding this LR is a "poor decision," there seems to be a suggestion in the above statement that it's a valid choice for a competitive handicap or qualifying round in Europe (though it seems fine to use the LR in the U.S. for casual rounds given that these rounds are still posted).

 

"Golfers playing their own competitions" seems to me to refer to club competitions. Elite amateur golfers play in elite competitions at regional, national and international levels, I'd say. I took the option of the LR to be something on offer to clubs and courses to make golf for the considerable majority of us a little easier and more enjoyable.

 

Without giving any reason related to handicapping, CONGU has effectively usurped the choice given to its affiliated clubs by the USGA/R&A. And by not giving any such justification, it has simply fuelled my suspicion that it was made entirely on the basis of not approving of such a change because of a faux moral outrage, of taking a noble stand against a perceived assault on the sacred principles of golf . Believe me, I heard a club secretary (not ours) pontificate loudly , "It will be introduced at my club over my dead body." (Yes, I smile wryly at the possessiveness of "my club"!)

 

We're talking of nothing more than where you put a ball back into play when you lose it or swipe it out of bounds. I'll bet that club secretary is perfectly happy to put a ball back into play at the side of a lateral water hazard 150 yards or whatever up the hole from where he hacked it into the water and doesn't see the connection.

 

Finally, if CONGU does not change its ruling, we in the British Isles will be out of step when the worldwide handicapping comes into being. A sort of golfing equivalent of Brexit. Bye, bye everyone, we play pure golf here.

 

Don't get me wrong. I don't feel strongly about this. :)

[sui generis]

Last time I talked to our pros, they were not planning in implementing the local rule. Don’t know if that is still the same or not.

 

If your head professional doesn't, his successor certainly will. ;)

How condemningly prescient of you!

 

When I said to my guy last month, "Should we add this Local Rule for 2019?"

He laughingly replied, "Only if you think I should keep my job!"

[Newby]

The disappointing thing is that CONGU have not had the courtesy to explain to clubs why they made such a poor decision. I understand that the EGA have accepted it for qualifiers.

 

EGA explained in their reasoning that if Ruling Bodies give it as an option in the Rules,then it must be acceptable.

Model Local Rule E-5 says in part:

 

"The Local Rule is appropriate for general play where golfers are playing casual rounds or playing their own competitions. The Local Rule is not appropriate for competitions limited to highly skilled players (that is, professional competitions and elite amateur competitions)."

 

I don't see why excluding this LR is a "poor decision," there seems to be a suggestion in the above statement that it's a valid choice for a competitive handicap or qualifying round in Europe (though it seems fine to use the LR in the U.S. for casual rounds given that these rounds are still posted).

CONGU & the EGA are in step in that 'qualifying competitions' are for all standards of amateur golf that are scored for handicap purposes. Not just highly qualified elite players. Although, it is probable that very high level (like the R&A Amateur or The Brabazon) would not choose to use the LR anyway. Even if CONGU hadn't banned it.

But the EGA are happy to use it, CONGU is not; for essentially the same competitions.

[ruca]

I wonder how much difference it would actually make to UK clubs.

It's years since I went back to the tee for lost ball.

All our social and most of our competition golf is stableford/bogey, so no biggie if ball lost. We hit provisional in medals quite often.

Societies can do their own thing.

[deadsolid...shank]

Last time I talked to our pros, they were not planning in implementing the local rule. Don’t know if that is still the same or not.

 

If your head professional doesn't, his successor certainly will. ;)

 

Yeah, I don’t think so.

[Newby]

Last time I talked to our pros, they were not planning in implementing the local rule. Don’t know if that is still the same or not.

Doesn't the committee make the decisions at your club?

Surely pros are paid to do what they are told.

[sui generis]

Last time I talked to our pros, they were not planning in implementing the local rule. Don’t know if that is still the same or not.

Doesn't the committee make the decisions at your club?

Surely pros are paid to do what they are told.

 

Many clubs in Yankeeland owned by an individual or a corporation are, apart from a Handicap Committee, without Golf Committees and Greens Committees.