Tiger Woods still best iron player on tour

cardoza · May 10, 2019

> @TLUBulldogGolf said:

> He's #1 In GIR percentage while being 3rd from last in average approach shot distance (Stenson is last interestingly). I think those are probably 1a and 1b at the moment. When he dominated I don't think anyone was close though.

Not surprising Stenson is last, he hits 3 wood off a lot of tees where most guys hit driver.

lowheel · May 10, 2019

> @Obee said:

> > @"Frasier Crane" said:

> > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > Great stat that I head recently is that he ranked 169th or thereby in distance covered off the tee. So essentially, 168 guys are on average closer to the hole than he is off the tee but he is still number 1 when it comes to strokes gained with irons. Not only is he better than the rest he is better than them from further away.

> >

> > I remember an interview with Sean Foley a few years ago, and IIRC, he said Tiger's biggest statistical advantage against the field was distances 175-225 yards.

>

> That was true for a time. Not sure if it still is.

still elite

hes currently from the fairway:

19th from 75-100 yards

102nd from 100-125 yards

85th from 125-150 yards

8th from 150-175 yards

5th from 175-200 yards

14th from 200-225 yards

from the rough:

176th from 75-100 yards

70th from 100-125 yards

13th from 125-150 yards

205th from 150-175 yards

27th from 175-200 yards

89th from 200-225 yards

Tiger knows these stats and knows that he has to keep it in the short stuff . If he does, he contends.

Frasier Crane · May 10, 2019

> @lowheel said:

> > @Obee said:

> > > @"Frasier Crane" said:

> > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > Great stat that I head recently is that he ranked 169th or thereby in distance covered off the tee. So essentially, 168 guys are on average closer to the hole than he is off the tee but he is still number 1 when it comes to strokes gained with irons. Not only is he better than the rest he is better than them from further away.

> > >

> > > I remember an interview with Sean Foley a few years ago, and IIRC, he said Tiger's biggest statistical advantage against the field was distances 175-225 yards.

> >

> > That was true for a time. Not sure if it still is.

>

> still elite

> hes currently from the fairway:

>

> 19th from 75-100 yards

> 102nd from 100-125 yards

> 85th from 125-150 yards

> 8th from 150-175 yards

> 5th from 175-200 yards

> 14th from 200-225 yards

>

> from the rough:

> 176th from 75-100 yards

> 70th from 100-125 yards

> 13th from 125-150 yards

> 205th from 150-175 yards

> 27th from 175-200 yards

> 89th from 200-225 yards

>

> Tiger knows these stats and knows that he has to keep it in the short stuff . If he does, he contends.

Yeah, you got the gist of it lowheel.... I know I butchered what Sean Foley said exactly so that's my fault. The exact quote from Foley was, "175-250 yards is really the difference between the weak and the strong." Then he cites Tiger Woods', Justin Rose's, and Rory McIlroy's ball striking stat as a key stat that correlates to their success. Apparently Foley's claiming (in 2013) there's a bigger statistical difference between the top ball strikers and the average ball striker, when compared to the top putters and the average putter.

Also interesting, Foley claims that the rough used to be far worse (harder to play out of) back in the day versus today. I'm not quite old enough nor was I a big golf fan until Tiger to know if that rings true or not LOL. I'm posting a link to Foley's interview if anyone's interested in watching it.

https://charlierose.com/videos/18010

bladehunter · May 10, 2019

> @Krt22 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @"Schley " said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > Strokes gained. = witchcraft.

> > > >

> > > > Only stat that matters is wins.

> > >

> > > Strokes gained let's you know where you need to work on your game to get more wins. So you need a part / whole approach to build to victories, not just .... WIN because you want to.

> >

> > lol. I know what strokes gained is. I’ve used it myself. Although it’s useless as a non tour player since it doesn’t compare you to your peers

> >

> > But. I wonder how on earth jack and co ever managed to win without it ?

>

> If you are using certain apps, you can compare your SG data vs peers or any other handicap range. I think broadies initial data set > @Obee said:

> > > @SMAKCruiser said:

> > > > @Obee said:

> > > > > @"Frasier Crane" said:

> > > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > Great stat that I head recently is that he ranked 169th or thereby in distance covered off the tee. So essentially, 168 guys are on average closer to the hole than he is off the tee but he is still number 1 when it comes to strokes gained with irons. Not only is he better than the rest he is better than them from further away.

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember an interview with Sean Foley a few years ago, and IIRC, he said Tiger's biggest statistical advantage against the field was distances 175-225 yards.

> > > >

> > > > That was true for a time. Not sure if it still is.

> > >

> > > He currently ranks 5th on tour in proximity to the hole from 175-200 and 3rd in proximity over 200 yards

> >

> > Well there you go. :-)

>

> And #1 in GIRs overall, #1 in GIRs/Fringe, #1 in GIRS from 175-200

So you’re saying the apps compare actual players from they same handicap range in real time ? If so that probably works. I’m used to the spreadsheet formulas which as I understand are based off the tour averages as baselines.

Ferguson · May 10, 2019

Re: Tiger Woods still best iron player on tour

If this is a question - **yes.**

8 starts and 2 wins.

Krt22 · May 10, 2019

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @"Schley " said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > Strokes gained. = witchcraft.

> > > > >

> > > > > Only stat that matters is wins.

> > > >

> > > > Strokes gained let's you know where you need to work on your game to get more wins. So you need a part / whole approach to build to victories, not just .... WIN because you want to.

> > >

> > > lol. I know what strokes gained is. I’ve used it myself. Although it’s useless as a non tour player since it doesn’t compare you to your peers

> > >

> > > But. I wonder how on earth jack and co ever managed to win without it ?

> >

> > If you are using certain apps, you can compare your SG data vs peers or any other handicap range. I think broadies initial data set > @Obee said:

> > > > @SMAKCruiser said:

> > > > > @Obee said:

> > > > > > @"Frasier Crane" said:

> > > > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > > Great stat that I head recently is that he ranked 169th or thereby in distance covered off the tee. So essentially, 168 guys are on average closer to the hole than he is off the tee but he is still number 1 when it comes to strokes gained with irons. Not only is he better than the rest he is better than them from further away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember an interview with Sean Foley a few years ago, and IIRC, he said Tiger's biggest statistical advantage against the field was distances 175-225 yards.

> > > > >

> > > > > That was true for a time. Not sure if it still is.

> > > >

> > > > He currently ranks 5th on tour in proximity to the hole from 175-200 and 3rd in proximity over 200 yards

> > >

> > > Well there you go. :-)

> >

> > And #1 in GIRs overall, #1 in GIRs/Fringe, #1 in GIRS from 175-200

>

> So you’re saying the apps compare actual players from they same handicap range in real time ? If so that probably works. I’m used to the spreadsheet formulas which as I understand are based off the tour averages as baselines.

Correct, at least 18birdies does. You can select your SG data and compare against your index or any other index. The original SG work actually wasn't based off tour data, but instead was based off data from amateur golfers of all skill levels (per the book, ~200 total golfers, 100,000 shots). When shot link was introduced it expanded to the tour, given they had all of the raw data for every single shot/round. As it's grown in popularity I'm sure the baseline data is significant enough to get a decent idea of where you stand

lowheel · May 11, 2019

> @"Frasier Crane" said:

> > @lowheel said:

> > > @Obee said:

> > > > @"Frasier Crane" said:

> > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > Great stat that I head recently is that he ranked 169th or thereby in distance covered off the tee. So essentially, 168 guys are on average closer to the hole than he is off the tee but he is still number 1 when it comes to strokes gained with irons. Not only is he better than the rest he is better than them from further away.

> > > >

> > > > I remember an interview with Sean Foley a few years ago, and IIRC, he said Tiger's biggest statistical advantage against the field was distances 175-225 yards.

> > >

> > > That was true for a time. Not sure if it still is.

> >

> > still elite

> > hes currently from the fairway:

> >

> > 19th from 75-100 yards

> > 102nd from 100-125 yards

> > 85th from 125-150 yards

> > 8th from 150-175 yards

> > 5th from 175-200 yards

> > 14th from 200-225 yards

> >

> > from the rough:

> > 176th from 75-100 yards

> > 70th from 100-125 yards

> > 13th from 125-150 yards

> > 205th from 150-175 yards

> > 27th from 175-200 yards

> > 89th from 200-225 yards

> >

> > Tiger knows these stats and knows that he has to keep it in the short stuff . If he does, he contends.

>

> Yeah, you got the gist of it lowheel.... I know I butchered what Sean Foley said exactly so that's my fault. The exact quote from Foley was, "175-250 yards is really the difference between the weak and the strong." Then he cites Tiger Woods', Justin Rose's, and Rory McIlroy's ball striking stat as a key stat that correlates to their success. Apparently Foley's claiming (in 2013) there's a bigger statistical difference between the top ball strikers and the average ball striker, when compared to the top putters and the average putter.

>

> Also interesting, Foley claims that the rough used to be far worse (harder to play out of) back in the day versus today. I'm not quite old enough nor was I a big golf fan until Tiger to know if that rings true or not LOL. I'm posting a link to Foley's interview if anyone's interested in watching it.

>

> https://charlierose.com/videos/18010

You were spot on so no worries, I just wanted to add some #s to provide context. Phil is up there in that category and justin rose is in the same neighborhood over a 12 years span.very impressive.